---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/10/11: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (Thom Riddle) 2. 07:51 AM - Re: Interesting video (jerb) 3. 08:39 AM - Re: Interesting video (Richard Girard) 4. 08:40 AM - 912S engine start (Rex Rodebush) 5. 08:51 AM - Re: Interesting video (william sullivan) 6. 09:00 AM - Re: 912S engine start (John Hauck) 7. 09:01 AM - 912ULS and IVO prop for sale (daniel myers) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: 912S engine start (Rex Rodebush) 9. 09:41 AM - Re: Interesting video (Dennis Thate) 10. 10:12 AM - Re: 912S engine start (Rick Neilsen) 11. 10:39 AM - Re: 912S engine start (John Hauck) 12. 10:56 AM - Re: throttle cable splitter failure (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN) 13. 10:56 AM - Re: Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin for VW Engines (George Bearden) 14. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: 912S engine start (John Hauck) 15. 11:39 AM - Re: Interesting video (chris davis) 16. 12:06 PM - Re: 912S engine start (Rex Rodebush) 17. 12:14 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (ces308) 18. 12:25 PM - Re: Interesting video (John Hauck) 19. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: 912S engine start (John Hauck) 20. 12:39 PM - Re: Interesting video (william sullivan) 21. 12:50 PM - Re: Interesting video -> Drag Reduction (Jack B. Hart) 22. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Interesting video (John Hauck) 23. 01:11 PM - FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 (zetebete) 24. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (b young) 25. 02:17 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (ces308) 26. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow () 27. 03:02 PM - Re: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 (Dana Hague) 28. 05:23 PM - 3 in egt needed (Malcolm Brubaker) 29. 07:01 PM - Firestar winter flying video (Jon LaVasseur) 30. 07:33 PM - Re: Firestar winter flying video (Larry Cottrell) 31. 07:55 PM - Re: Firestar winter flying video (John Hauck) 32. 08:37 PM - Re: Firestar winter flying video (Dennis Thate) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "Thom Riddle" Chris, Very glad to hear you found the actual problem. It IS a mystery as to why it changed over time. A couple questions: 1- Had you done any fuel pump maintenance before this happened? What is the total gasket thickness now? 2- Are your electric and mechanical fuel pumps in series or parallel? 3- Do you normally run the electric during all phases of flight? FWIW, my electric pump is plumbed in parallel with the mechanical and I use the electric to fill the float bowl before starting and during approach and take-off. I know the Facet is a 100% duty cycle pump which could be run full time but it is an old habit of mine not to use it except as stated. Also, I've never removed my fuel pump so don't know how much gasket is there and I don't have a fuel pressure gage installed so don't know what it is producing. I think I'll ckeck it out during next condition inspection. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326229#326229 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:19 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video Did I miss something here? At 09:25 PM 1/9/2011, you wrote: >If you remember when one of the boys from the A/V dept brought the >projector to class and set it up to run, you'll love this. > >Rick Girard > >-- >Zulu Delta >Kolb Mk IIIC >582 Gray head >4.00 C gearbox >3 blade WD >Thanks, Homer GBYM > >It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to >be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video From: Richard Girard No, but I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE Rick On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > If you remember when one of the boys from the A/V dept brought the > projector to class and set it up to run, you'll love this. > > Rick Girard > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 912S engine start From: "Rex Rodebush" Started my engine for the first time yesterday. It had been sitting in the basement for about a year but started immediately and sounded great. Have to do some throttle adjustments and prop pitch changes. I had about 5700 rpm and still had some throttle to go. I used 10 degree angle on a 70" three blade warp prop. Will try 12 degrees and see how that works. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326253#326253 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:04 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video - Rick- That was great!- Thanks. - do not archive ------------------------- -------------- Bill Sullivan --- On Mon, 1/10/11, Richard Girard wrote: From: Richard Girard Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video No, but I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE - ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:22 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912S engine start Started my engine for the first time yesterday. It had been sitting in the basement for about a year but started immediately and sounded great. Have to do some throttle adjustments and prop pitch changes. I had about 5700 rpm and still had some throttle to go. I used 10 degree angle on a 70" three blade warp prop. Will try 12 degrees and see how that works. Rex Rex R/Gang: I prop for 5400 static WOT. That gives me 5500 WOT straight and level with my MKIII. john h mkIII 912ULS 71" Warp Drive 3 Blade Fast Taper Titus, Alabama - Freezing rain. Woke up to 32F. Now 33F. Think I'll stay inside today. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:07 AM PST US From: daniel myers Subject: Kolb-List: 912ULS and IVO prop for sale For anyone who's interested=2C I have a 2007 912s for sale with 330 hrs. so ft start=2C slipper clutch=2C etc. runs perfectly. lots of new stuff instal led. 100 hrs on 68inch IVO$13=2C999Daniel Myersh20maule@hotmail.com407 920 7700 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912S engine start From: "Rex Rodebush" Thanks John. Do you remember what angle you used? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326268#326268 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Interesting video From: "Dennis Thate" Rick, Thanks for that video post. My Firestar does not have the aerodynamic wing strut fiberglass shell installed. This will be one of the first things I do before I fly it. Thanks Dennis Good [Idea] ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326275#326275 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912S engine start From: Rick Neilsen John The manual for the SportCruiser says that Rotax 912 ULS should be operated normal cruise at 4,800-5,300 but with 100LL 5,000-5,300. I assume this is to deal with the high lead content of 100LL. Interesting. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > > Started my engine for the first time yesterday. It had been sitting in > the > basement for about a year but started immediately and sounded great. Have > to do some throttle adjustments and prop pitch changes. I had about 5700 > rpm and still had some throttle to go. I used 10 degree angle on a 70" > three blade warp prop. Will try 12 degrees and see how that works. > > Rex > > > Rex R/Gang: > > I prop for 5400 static WOT. > > That gives me 5500 WOT straight and level with my MKIII. > > john h > mkIII > 912ULS > 71" Warp Drive 3 Blade Fast Taper > Titus, Alabama - Freezing rain. Woke up to 32F. Now 33F. Think I'll stay > inside today. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:11 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912S engine start The manual for the SportCruiser says that Rotax 912 ULS should be operated normal cruise at 4,800-5,300 but with 100LL 5,000-5,300. I assume this is to deal with the high lead content of 100LL. Interesting. Rick Neilsen Rick N/Folks: Yes, I'd think it had to do with lots of lead. john h mkIII Titus, AL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: throttle cable splitter failure From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" << Push about 3/32" of cable through and then rat tail it severely with a small tool ... then solder it. >> Jimmy - The exact thing happened to me a few years ago, on my Mark-3. Throttle cable slipped thru the ferrule. Fortunately for me, on the 912, the carbs spring to full throttle if the cable lets go. This gave me the fortunate opportunity to fly back to my airport, enter the pattern, and shut down the engine on downwind, making for and easy deadstick pattern and landing. Richard Pike shared the same advice with me (above) at the time , on fixing the cable/ferrule interface. It's an excellent solution - guaranteed not to ever pull thru again. That's how I fixed it on my Kolb. Glad to hear you exercised excellent judgment, and made a safe landing without damage to you or your Firestar. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, Sandia Park, NM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:40 AM PST US From: "George Bearden" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin for VW Engines > George, Build four or five VW engines and report back. Reporting as requested sir. Been there, done that. Some I built as hot-rods, some as mpg champs, once as a wedding gift, always with care. GeoB ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:04 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912S engine start Thanks John. Do you remember what angle you used? ********************************** Not for sure. 12 to 12.5 sounds pretty good. Each engine and prop will have its own setting. Main thing when you get it dialed in close is to insure all three blades are set the same, even if it was over or under 5500 WOT straight and level flight, by just a little bit. I doubt most of our tachs are all that accurate anyhow. I usually do a prop tach check when I adjust my prop to insure my engine tach is close. john h mkIII Titus, AL ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:15 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video Richard , I am amazed at how much difference there is , I built my-KXP wi th =0Astreamlined wing struts but didnt realize how munch difference it mad !-Thanks =0Afor that link and I think there is more to learn on that sam e Youtube page-Chris =0ADavis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Richard Girard =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Mon, January 10, 2011 11:35:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Inter esting video=0A=0ANo, but I did. =0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq 8jTQ8ANE=0A=0ARick=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Richard Girard < aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0AIf you remember when one of the boys from the A/V dept brought the projector to =0Aclass and set it up to run, you'll love this. =0A=0A>=0A>=0A>Rick Girard=0A>=0A>-- =0A>=0A>Zulu Delta=0A>Kolb Mk IIIC=0A>582 Gray head=0A>4.00 C gearbox=0A>3 blade WD=0A>Thanks, Homer GBYM=0A>=0A>=0A>It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is big otry to be unable to =0A>imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.=0A> ---G.K. Chesterton=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> get="_blank">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =0A>tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution =0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AZulu Delta=0AKolb Mk IIIC=0A582 Gray head=0A4.00 C gearbox=0A3 blade WD=0AThanks, Homer GBYM=0A =0AIt is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be un able to =0Aimagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.=0A---G.K. Che =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912S engine start From: "Rex Rodebush" I'll try 12 degrees and see what happens. I have an E.I.S. and also a tach guage. They were within about 25 rpm of each other as best I could see so I'm comfortable that it's a good reading. The Rotax manual that I have ok's a max. continuous speed of 5500 rpm but 5 minutes only at 5800 rpm. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326316#326316 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "ces308" Ok...Chapter 14....I thought I had the problem solved ,then I flew it today...stayed over the airport for about 10 minutes and it seemed to run fine...headed out over the lake,throttled down to loose some altitude and it started all over again...I headed back to the airport and it sounded like it was going to quit again...I kept the throttle wide open and luckily it started to clear out and kept running....land ... Called Pete at Jabiru ,told him about spacing the pump out .030 and it seemed to be ok....his thought now was the spring in the pump needed replacing...I removed the spring...took about 7/16 off the spring put it back on the plane with a fuel pressure Gage and at idle I had 1.7 and it went to almost 3lbs wide open....when I GET THE NEW SPRING ,i WILL PUT IT IN AND TAKE ANOTHER pressure reading.... stay tuned... chris ambrose M3X/jabiru N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326322#326322 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:17 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video Richard , I am amazed at how much difference there is , I built my KXP with streamlined wing struts but didnt realize how munch difference it mad ! Chris Davis Chris D/Gang: 1987, I was flying my brand new FS without brakes and with standard round lift struts out of Gantt IAP, all 600 feet of it. I finally saved up enough money to buy 4130 streamlined tubing for new lift struts. Brother Jim welded them up for me, I got them prepped, painted, and installed. On my first test flight I was amazed at how stable and solid the FS felt. The round aluminum struts were constantly dancing in flight. On my first landing I had to go around. I ran out of airstrip. With no brakes to slow me down, and a hefty increase in glide and reduction in drag, I had to rethink my landings. Was time for brakes. ;-( By Spring 1988, I had brakes and longer heat treated 4130 gear legs, 35.5" long. I chose that length because Lindberg Heat Treating in Orlando, FL, could only go 36". By being able to get the nose higher during landing and roll out I was able to use the bottom of the wing to help slow me down, plus my new Hegar Brakes. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:20 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912S engine start The Rotax manual that I have ok's a max. continuous speed of 5500 rpm but 5 minutes only at 5800 rpm. Rex Rex/Gang: That is why we pitch for 5500 straight and level WOT with a fixed pitch or ground adjustable prop. If we pitch for 5800 we have terrific climb and poor cruise. Pitch for 5500 and we get the best climb and cruise combo. 5800 could be used for 5 min if you had an inflight adjustable prop, which would be a nice toy, but not really necessary to have fun and fly where you want to. I have never had a problem being pitched for 5500. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:30 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Interesting video - John- Very interesting info about your Firestar.- I have a set of ste el (!) streamlined struts, almost 10 pounds for the pair.- I intended to swap them out for round aluminum to cut some weight.- Once they are off, I will probably put them up for grabs.- Your comment about your 600 foot field got my attention.- My spot for a field at my place in Vt. is about 600 to 700 feet long.- It's on top of a small hill, with the ground being lower at both ends.- The prevailing wind is aligned with the runway.- I was wondering about the necessity of brakes, and now I know.- I wonder if Richard Pike still has the old FS brakes he mentioned.- - ------------------------- ------------------------- ------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- ------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:05 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Interesting video -> Drag Reduction From: chris davis > Richard , I am amazed at how much difference there is , I built my KXP with streamlined wing struts but didnt realize how munch difference it mad ! Thanks for that link and I think there is more to learn on that same Youtube page > Chris, If you are interested in drag reduction, see: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/pdrag.html And everything under "Drag Reduction" on the following: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/fireflyindex.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:57 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Interesting video John- Very interesting info about your Firestar. I have a set of steel (!) streamlined struts, almost 10 pounds for the pair. I intended to swap them out for round aluminum to cut some weight. Once they are off, I will probably put them up for grabs. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, CT. FS 447 Bill S/Gang: I think the reduction in drag, absence of vibration, and good solid feel of the steel streamlined struts will far outweigh the difference in weight, which probably will not be that much. Definitely not progressing going round aluminum. john h mkIIUI Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:27 PM PST US From: "zetebete" Subject: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 Hallo Everybody! Can somebody send me a type certificate by copy for my KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/with Rotax 582/? It would be the best in english language, or in others. Please to help for a " poor" kolb pilot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank's. Zolt=E1n Tibor KOLB Twinstar/R582 zetebete@t-online.hu ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:44 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow Ok...Chapter 14....I thought I had the problem solved ,then I flew it today...stayed over the airport for about 10 minutes and it seemed to run fine...headed out over the lake,throttled down to loose some altitude and it started all over again...I headed back to the airport and it sounded like it was going to quit again...I kept the throttle wide open and luckily it started to clear out and kept running....land ... Called Pete at Jabiru ,told him about spacing the pump out .030 and it seemed to be ok....his thought now was the spring in the pump needed replacing...I removed the spring...took about 7/16 off the spring put it back on the plane with a fuel pressure Gage and at idle I had 1.7 and it went to almost 3lbs wide open....when I GET THE NEW SPRING ,I WILL PUT IT IN AND TAKE ANOTHER pressure reading.... stay tuned... chris ambrose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems that springs loose tension after time.... I am puzzled on how you would get an increase of pressure.... is there any chance at a reduced power setting there is a vibration that is putting enough bubbles in the float bowl that the float wont sense the correct level? boyd young mkiii ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "ces308" OK.. Our theory on the spring is this....as the spring gets rusty from condensation it gets more brittle and harder thusly,making more pressure as it pushes the fuel into the carb...cutting it off,making it shorter also made the spring weaker and reducing the pressure...you think ???When I get the new spring ,I am going to rust proof it just for the heck of it then re-install it and take another pressure reading.... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326355#326355 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:46 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow Contrary view...Wow there are thousands of those engines in service, lots with very high hours, and yours is the first to suffer "rusty fuel pump spring hardness"? I am unaware of the metallurgy that leads to increased elastic modulus from rusted steel surface damage. Maybe something hangs up on the spring movement or a diaphragm movement......I think I would look again for maybe a vacuum or vent leak in the induction systems that develops with temperature differential. Best of luck.. Bob ---- ces308 wrote: > > OK.. > > Our theory on the spring is this....as the spring gets rusty from condensation it gets more brittle and harder thusly,making more pressure as it pushes the fuel into the carb...cutting it off,making it shorter also made the spring weaker and reducing the pressure...you think ???When I get the new spring ,I am going to rust proof it just for the heck of it then re-install it and take another pressure reading.... > > chris ambrose > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326355#326355 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:53 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 Kolbs (in the US at least) don't have type certificates, which are only for factory produced aircraft. Kolbs here are certificated in the Experimental category, with only an airworthiness certificate. -Dana At 04:08 PM 1/10/2011, zetebete wrote: > >Can somebody send me a type certificate by copy for my KOLB MARK II >TWINSTAR/with Rotax 582/? > >It would be the best in english language, or in others. -- But, Officer, a broadsword is hardly a concealed weapon! ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:46 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kolb-List: 3 in egt needed yes i need a 3 in egt-gage-- please reply off list ell send cash fast mal=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: daniel myers =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 10, 2011 11:55:04 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: 912ULS and IVO prop for sale=0A=0A=0AFor anyone who's interested, I have a 2007 912s for sale with 330 hrs. soft =0Astart, slipper clutch, etc. runs perfectly. lots of n ew stuff installed. 100 hrs =0Aon 68inch IVO =0A=0A$13,999=0ADaniel Myers =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:31 PM PST US From: Jon LaVasseur Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar winter flying video Friends, I recently uploaded a video, made years ago, to YouTube. It was my first attempt at video and isn't that great or sharp but it does give an idea of how flying is done up north in winter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a834qGn-OU Enjoy, I hope. Jon L Minnesota ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:29 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar winter flying video Very nice Jon. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:32 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar winter flying video Very nice Jon. Larry Even the sun looks cold up there in the Far North. Very nice flying and video. Be glad when the weather straightens itself out down here in the sunny south and I can go fly a little. john h mkIII Titus, AL ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar winter flying video From: "Dennis Thate" Thanks Jon from Minnesota ...." Hi Mom !" :) Very enjoyable footage. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. 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