---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/12/11: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (George Bearden) 2. 02:54 AM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (racerjerry) 3. 02:54 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (Pat Ladd) 4. 03:29 AM - Re: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 (Pat Ladd) 5. 04:46 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (elleryweld@aol.com) 6. 04:46 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (elleryweld@aol.com) 7. 04:58 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (Dana Hague) 8. 07:35 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (Richard Pike) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Air foil for cable... (Duane Ransdell) 10. 09:51 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (Rex Rodebush) 11. 09:53 AM - Re: Interesting video (Rex Rodebush) 12. 09:57 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (Mike Welch) 13. 10:23 AM - Re: Air foil for cable... (John Hauck) 14. 12:42 PM - Re: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 (zetebete) 15. 02:45 PM - Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR (Mike Welch) 16. 02:53 PM - zenair floats plans. (Malcolm Brubaker) 17. 03:13 PM - Re: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR (John Hauck) 18. 03:28 PM - Re: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR (Mike Welch) 19. 04:07 PM - Re: zenair floats plans. (elleryweld@aol.com) 20. 04:36 PM - Re: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR (Mike Welch) 21. 05:20 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (ces308) 22. 05:23 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (ces308) 23. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (william sullivan) 24. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow () 25. 07:33 PM - Re: zenair floats plans. (Malcolm Brubaker) 26. 08:44 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow (ces308) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:40 AM PST US From: George Bearden Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Air foil for cable... > I was amazed at the drag values for the cables on the tail. I would like to see the drag values too. I have been thinking about this issue- now, I am not any kind of aircraft guru, completely new to aircraft- so I am just 'seeding' the discussion with an idea. Have you ever used Shoo-goo? Great stuff. Much stronger and tougher than silicone seal, yet comes in a squeeze tube. I wish the feller in the lab coat in the video had demonstrated the drag of a tube faired on only one side, because that is what I am thinking- run a bead of shoo-goo down a cable, shape it into a 'V' between your fingers somehow. A Kolber posted pics somewhere showing aluminum v-shaped fairings he had a sheet metal shop brake for him. They were rivited to the sides, forming a trailing edge streamlined shape. Don't know how effective they are (he had no test data either) but it gave me the idea on the cable streamlining. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "racerjerry" All the thoughts expressed here are right on target, but dont forget the common simple/basic cause of carb flooding which is HEAVY FLOAT. With metal floats - a leak/pinhole or with composite floats - soggy/porous. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326654#326654 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:50 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... With all the current excitement about cutting drag it occurs to me that most of the examples shown have been for much higher speeds that the ones we generally fly at. I forget the maths now but doesn`t drag increase at the square of the speed or something like that? Streamling lift struts etc might be worth it, and it looks nice, but is it worth it for cables at speeds of 50 to 70? WW1 biplanes used tear drop shaped cables certainly but they were operating at around 100mph and few of us reach that and live to tell the tale. Just a thought Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:32 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 If the person requireing a C of A for a Kolb will contact me I am happy to e-mail or fax a copy of the Permit to Fly issued by the CAA in the UK. It is valid until Mar 15th which may or may not be of significance. If it will help I can supply a copy of the Form completed by my Inspector last March. Authority likes to have a form even if they do not understand what it is for. Pat Ladd ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... From: "elleryweld@aol.com" -----Original Message----- From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... Kolber's, would it reduce drag if you was to fold a peice of vinal tape in half over the cable to give it at least a 3/4 inch trailing edge reduce drag? A year or tw o ago someone posted drag values for parts of a Kolb, if I remember right. I was amazed at the drag values for the cables on the tail. One of you, with a lot more skill than me, can probable come up with an airfoil for a cable! Winter is not over yet, what do you think? Thanks as all ways for all your knowledge! Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Kolbra #1 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... From: "elleryweld@aol.com" would it reduce drag on a cable if you was to fold a peice of vinal tape in half to leave a 3/4 inch trailing edge? let the testing begin -----Original Message----- From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... Kolber's, A year or two ago someone posted drag values for parts of a Kolb, if I remember right. I was amazed at the drag values for the cables on the tail. One of you, with a lot more skill than me, can probable come up with an airfoil for a cable! Winter is not over yet, what do you think? Thanks as all ways for all your knowledge! Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Kolbra #1 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:12 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... At 02:26 AM 1/12/2011, Nick Cassara wrote: >One of you, with a lot more skill than me, can probable come up with an >airfoil for a cable! Streamlined wires have long been used in aircraft. There are a couple of companies that still make them today. They're solid wire, rolled to the streamline shape, then threads have to be formed at the ends... they're special order, of course, made to the specific length you need... and expensive. Years ago, in U-control (control line) model airplane racing (these models can go 200+ mph, on 60' cables of around .015 diameter), somebody figured out that the lines were 80% or more of the drag, and came up with what was termed "funny lines"... basically a streamlined enclosure to hold the two lines close together, one behind the other. The original was a thin wall tube slipped over the front wire, and a bit of tap wrapped around and stuck to itself forming a tab in back, forming a crude airfoil shape. The rear wire ran through the gap in the tape immediately behind the tube. Later, molded plastic shapes were used. IIRC, they cleaned up in the speed events at the Nationals that year... and funny lines were promptly banned immediately afterwards. -Dana -- Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Air foil for cable... From: "Richard Pike" This is overexposed, but you get the idea: OD 5/16" X 5/32" X 35", ID 1/8" X 1/4". Got it at the local RC hobby shop, thinwall aluminum, weight 1/2 oz. Ought to be able to slip a tail brace wire through it during cable assembly, Goop it to an end fitting to keep it from pivoting. Use 2 pieces, each one attached at an end fitting, leave the middle of the wire uncovered so you could still fold the tail? Maybe squeeze it thinner so that it has less cross section? Food for thought... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326673#326673 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/sl_125.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Air foil for cable... From: Duane Ransdell Regarding drag; this is an interesting video that has been circulating on other groups. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:53 AM, George Bearden wrote: > > > I was amazed at the drag values for the cables on the tail. > > I would like to see the drag values too. > > I have been thinking about this issue- now, I am not any kind of aircraft > guru, completely new to aircraft- so I am just 'seeding' the discussion with > an idea. > > Have you ever used Shoo-goo? Great stuff. Much stronger and tougher than > silicone seal, yet comes in a squeeze tube. > > I wish the feller in the lab coat in the video had demonstrated the drag of > a tube faired on only one side, because that is what I am thinking- run a > bead of shoo-goo down a cable, shape it into a 'V' between your fingers > somehow. > > A Kolber posted pics somewhere showing aluminum v-shaped fairings he had a > sheet metal shop brake for him. They were rivited to the sides, forming a > trailing edge streamlined shape. Don't know how effective they are (he had > no test data either) but it gave me the idea on the cable streamlining. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Air foil for cable... From: "Rex Rodebush" The experiment we saw on the video and many others are explained in the book "Shape and Flow, the Fluid Dynamics of Drag" by Ascher H. Shapiro, published by Doubleday Anchor. It's out of print but I got a copy via the internet. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326709#326709 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Interesting video From: "Rex Rodebush" The experiment we saw on the video and many others are explained in the book "Shape and Flow, the Fluid Dynamics of Drag" by Ascher H. Shapiro, published by Doubleday Anchor. It's out of print but I got a copy via the internet. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326710#326710 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:18 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... > would it reduce drag on a cable if you was to fold a peice of vinal tape in half to leave a 3/4 inch trailing edge? let the testing begin >Ellery Ellery=2C Yes=2C I bet it would....a lot. What about this idea? I have a roll of heavy thickness aluminum tape=2C the kind air conditioning installers use (that's who I go it from!!). It has a protective tape on it. What if we cut the tape to length=2C then bent it lengthwise=2C down the middle? Then we pulled off the protective tape. Next=2C carefully (!!) stick a len gth of nylon string exactly down the center on the crease-line (this to hold the a luminum tape back a bit from the blunt edge=2C sort of trying to maintain the airfo il shape). Now=2C with the cable good & tight=2C try to accurately adhere the tape o nto one edge of cable. Once you have the orientation accurate=2C begin pinching th e two sides of the tape. It may take a couple of practice runs=2C but I bet a guy could make a rea lly good looking aluminum tape cable airfoils. Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:41 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... It may take a couple of practice runs, but I bet a guy could make a really good looking aluminum tape cable airfoils. Mike Welch How much drag reduction to you expect to receive from streamlining 8 to 10 feet of 3/32" cable? Doubt you or your Kolb would ever notice the difference. The following does not pertain to cable air foils, but it does have something to do with reducing drag and improving air flow to the prop on a MKIII. The first modification we made to my MKIII fuselage was replace the 7/16" or 1/2" round 4130 tubes with streamlined 4130 tubes at the rear of the fuselage that brace the lower side of the rear engine mount. Don't know how much good that did, but was bound to make some improvement removing that drag and air turbulence right before it was fed into the cleanest part of the prop arch. Another thing we did that reduced drag was the main landing gear legs. Only 18" of .125" gear leg are exposed to the air stream. Permanently enclosing the upper rear of the fuselage also reduced drag, as did the keel faring on the bottom of the fuselage. The keel faring also cleaned up air going to the prop. Still the quickest MKIII until someone comes along that can out run me, side by side. Last race I had was at the Kolb Homecoming a couple years back with Steven Green and his MKIII powered with a 912ULS. I beat hands down. ;-) If only I could have out run John Williamson and his 912ULS powered Kolbra. John was 10 mph quicker than Miss P'fer. Skinny Kolbs are faster than fat ones. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US From: "zetebete" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 For Mr. Pat Ladd Hy Pat, Many thank four your offer. It would be very good, if you can send me a copy of your Kolb certificate. I don't know, it's accetable or not for the aviation authority.In any case- it' more,thann nothing. I'm awaiting the copy to my address.: zetebete@t-online.hu Many-many thank's for your help! By Zolt=E1n Tibi From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 If the person requireing a C of A for a Kolb will contact me I am happy to e-mail or fax a copy of the Permit to Fly issued by the CAA in the UK. It is valid until Mar 15th which may or may not be of significance. If it will help I can supply a copy of the Form completed by my Inspector last March. Authority likes to have a form even if they do not understand what it is for. Pat Ladd ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:18 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR Pat=2C John Brown=2C or any of our other British friends with Kolbs=2C I was looking through all my original Kolb paperwork to see if I had anyt hing that could help out our buddy Tibi=2C and came across a statement in the Kolb sales br ochure bragging how safe=2C wonderful etc.=2C the MkIII is. In this Kolb Aircraft Company letter=2C it brags about how the MkIII has been CERTIFIED (note the magic word certifed!!) to the "rigorous BCAR-s standard" in the U .K. Wow!! Now=2C I don't exactly know what that means=2C but it sure sounds officia l to me. The fact of the matter is=2C Tibi is probably being forced to come up wit h some kind of dumbass useless paperwork for some lard-ass desk jockey. (oops=2C my an ti-government feelings just slipped out) Question for you helpful British blokes=3B can one of you really nice gu ys dig up one of those "certified BCAR-s standards" for this chap? It would probably be especiall y helpful if it had the word 'KOLB MkIII' on the form=2C I'd bet. How about help ing this lad out?? Mike Welch MkIII=2C but no certified paperwork=2C not yet=2C at least. From: zetebete@t-online.hu Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rot ax 582 For Mr. Pat Ladd Hy Pat=2C Many thank four your offer. It would be very good=2C if you can send me a copy of your Kolb certificate .. I don=92t know=2C it=92s accetable or not for the aviation authority.In any case- it=92 more=2Cthann nothing. I=92m awaiting the copy to my address.: zetebete@t-online.hu Many-many thank=92s for your help! By Zolt=E1n Tibi From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd Sent: Wednesday=2C January 12=2C 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rot ax 582 If the person requireing a C of A for a Kolb will contact me I am happy to e-mail or fax a copy of the Permit to Fly issued by the CAA in the UK. It i s valid until Mar 15th which may or may not be of significance. If it will help I can supply a copy of the Form completed by my Inspector l ast March. Authority likes to have a form even if they do not understand what it is fo r. Pat Ladd http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhttp://forums.matroni cs.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:28 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kolb-List: zenair floats plans. several years aho i sold a set of plans for the zenair floats to a-Kolber =0A-can anyone rember buying a set?-- i lost my copy and need anothe r- mal=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF rom: "elleryweld@aol.com" =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:43:44 AM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Air fo =0A=0Awould it reduce drag on a cable if you was to fol d a peice of vinal tape in half =0Ato leave a 3/4 inch trailing edge?- le t the testing begin =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0ADate: Wednesday, Jan uary 12, 2011 2:36:20 am=0ATo: =0AFrom: "Nick Cass ara" =0ASubject: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable...=0A =0AKolber's,=0A=0A=0A=0AA year or two ago someone posted drag values for pa rts of a Kolb, if I=0Aremember right. I was amazed at the drag values for t he cables on the tail.=0A=0A=0A=0AOne of you, with a lot more skill than me , can probable come up with an=0Aairfoil for a cable! =0A=0A=0A=0AWinter is not over yet, what do you think?=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks as all ways for all you r knowledge!=0A=0A=0A=0ANick Cassara=0A=0APalmer, Alaska=0A=0A=0A=0AKolbra ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:10 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR Subject: Kolb-List: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR I was looking through all my original Kolb paperwork to see if I had anything that could help out our buddy Tibi, and came across a statement in the Kolb sales brochure bragging how safe, wonderful etc., the MkIII is. Mike Welch MkIII, but no certified paperwork, not yet, at least. He has a MKII, not a MKIII. john h MKII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:05 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR Yeah=2C uh huh=2C a simple keystroke. > He has a MKII=2C not a MKIII. > > john h > MKII > Titus=2C Alabama ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:25 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: zenair floats plans. From: "elleryweld@aol.com" -----Original Message----- From: "Malcolm Brubaker" Subject: Kolb-List: zenair floats plans. several years aho i sold a set of plans for the zenair floats to aKolber can anyone rember buying a set? i lost my copy and need another mal Malcolm Brubaker Michigan Sport Pilot Repair LSRM-A, PPC, WS (989)513-3022 malcolm i am the one that got the plans for the floats from you i will see about getting a copy made up i will let you know when i have that done i think i remember where i last had them ________________________________ From: "elleryweld@aol.com" Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:43:44 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... would it reduce drag on a cable if you was to fold a peice of vinal tape in half to leave a 3/4 inch trailing edge? let the testing begin -----Original Message----- From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... Kolber's, A year or two ago someone posted drag values for parts of a Kolb, if I remember right. I was amazed at the drag values for the cables on the tail. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:02 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR Kolb guys=2C I am aware of what type of plane he said he has. I am also aware he claims to have the only Kolb airplane in Hungary=2C from the following=3B It=92s my problem=2C my KOLB is forbided by the aviation authority.Namely =2C my KOLB is the one single KOLB plane in Hungary=2C and so the authority does=92n know this type. Regards Tibi I was simply trying to suggest that someone might help him out if they sent him a copy of their "official" paperwork. Yes=2C it may say MkIII=2C yes=2C it may say someone else's name=2C yes=2C it may have all kinds of incorrect or inaccurate information=2C but at least this guy may have something in his hands he can "alter=2C modify=2C re-do=2C adjust=2C manipulate"=2C well=2C you get the idea. What he does with it is his business. Do I feel a little conviction about sending something to a guy in Hungary to 'modify'? Let's just say 'not much"! Am I afraid of the guys in long d ark-grey trenchcoats=2C from Hungary (!!)=2C coming and knocking on my door? Even l ess. A guy from Hungary=2C who doesn't really know exactly what he wants=2C as ked this group for something that really doesn't exist. Like I said=2C if "I" had an airworthiness certificate=2C I'd send him a copy....and then double lock my door. Look=2C some guys will ignor him altogether. Some may make lots of usele ss suggestions and he still isn't any better off. Others=2C still=2C will sen d him on a wild goose chase trying to obtain that elusive "Certified" document (that d oesn't exist). I just made a suggestion for a way to help him out. If I could =2C I would. That's just me=2C others may or may not. The guy's a pilot or pilot wannabe in Hungary.....with an orphan Kolb air plane. Do we help him=2C or do we just ignor him? You all decide! Besides=2C ma ybe he needs some new Kolb parts. Mike Welch Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "ces308" Hi Jabbernuts ! Did anyone here know there are 2 different springs?? The silver one is the one we are supposed to have ..it puts out 2-3 lbs....the gold spring puts out 7 lbs....and some of the engines "got out" with the gold springs.....Imagine that.....Mine was to rusted to see what color ( seee picture) even after we cleaned it up... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru N327cs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326776#326776 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "ces308" sorry...forgot the pictures... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326777#326777 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1640_831.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1639_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1638_138.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:13 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow - Chris- looks like condensation from somewhere. - ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------------- FS 447 --- On Wed, 1/12/11, ces308 wrote: From: ces308 Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow sorry...forgot the pictures... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326777#326777 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1640_831.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1639_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1638_138.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:35 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow Wow..."got out"....we used to call that an "escapement " in the DoD universe. Sounds like you are very close to getting back to a highly reliable powerplant! Do not archive ---- ces308 wrote: > > Hi Jabbernuts ! > > Did anyone here know there are 2 different springs?? The silver one is the one we are supposed to have ..it puts out 2-3 lbs....the gold spring puts out 7 lbs....and some of the engines "got out" with the gold springs.....Imagine that.....Mine was to rusted to see what color ( seee picture) even after we cleaned it up... > > chris ambrose > M3X/Jabiru > N327cs > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326776#326776 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:48 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: zenair floats plans. i thot that was you elery i may hve a set of of 950 for sale did you ever b uild =0Aa set?--- would like to build the amphibs if i sell my streai ght- set- mal=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0AFrom: "elleryweld@aol.com" =0ATo: kolb-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:04:50 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-L @aol.com" =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0ADate: W ednesday, January 12, 2011 5:53:36 pm=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0AFrom: "Malcolm Brubaker" =0ASubject: Kolb-List: zenair fl oats plans.=0A=0Aseveral years aho i sold a set of plans for the zenair flo ats to a-Kolber =0A-can anyone rember buying a set?-- i lost my cop y and need another- mal=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot R epair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0Amalcolm i am the one that go t the plans for the floats from you i will see about =0Agetting a copy made up i will let you know when i have that done i think i =0Aremember where i last had them=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "elleryweld @aol.com" =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, J anuary 12, 2011 7:43:44 AM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable... .com>=0A=0Awould it reduce drag on a cable if you was to fold a peice of vi nal tape in half =0A=0Ato leave a 3/4 inch trailing edge?- let the testin g begin =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0ADate: Wednesday, January 12, 201 1 2:36:20 am=0ATo: =0AFrom: "Nick Cassara" =0ASubject: Kolb-List: Air foil for cable...=0A=0AKolber's, =0A=0A=0A=0AA year or two ago someone posted drag values for parts of a Kol b, if I=0Aremember right. I was amazed at the drag values for the cables on ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Jabiru carb overflow From: "ces308" "Wow..."got out"....we used to call that an "escapement " in the DoD universe. Sounds like you are very close to getting back to a highly reliable powerplant! " This really has been a very reliable engine and other than this,I could be happier with this engine ! It should be all better next week....then look out for the new videos !!! lol chris ambrose M3X/jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326809#326809 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1635_185.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.