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Fri 01/28/11


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 05:04 AM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Thom Riddle)
     2. 05:27 AM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Richard Pike)
     3. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
     4. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (John Hauck)
     5. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (John Hauck)
     6. 09:56 AM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
     7. 01:36 PM - Fw: Check out these flying skills (russ kinne)
     8. 02:02 PM - Re: Fw: Check out these flying skills (Dana Hague)
     9. 02:02 PM - Re: Fw: Check out these flying skills (robert bean)
    10. 02:56 PM - Check out these flying skills (Lanny Fetterman)
    11. 04:36 PM - BFR (frank goodnight)
    12. 04:53 PM - Re: BFR (Daniel Myers)
    13. 05:06 PM - Re: BFR (Mike Welch)
    14. 08:16 PM - Re: BFR (Mike Welch)
    15. 08:37 PM - Re: New Dremel accessory (Ron @ KFHU)
    16. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Dependable instruments (Ron @ KFHU)
    17. 08:43 PM - Re: BFR (John Hauck)
    18. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Dependable instruments (Ron @ KFHU)
    19. 09:33 PM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Richard Pike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:04:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    "If you can fly one model Kolb, you can fly them all.... john h " The following does not really apply to the original question but I just couldn't let the above statement go by without comment. I agree that if you can FLY one Kolb you can FLY them all, but landing and take-off on pavement in a Slingshot is a different story. It is not hard to learn but it is not really much like the short leg Kolbs; more like a traditional tail dragger with excellent visibility. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. Ann Landers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328813#328813


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    Time: 05:27:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    elleryweld(at)aol.com wrote: > > The firestar Held 10 Gallons of fuel and would sip 2.7 GPH > The MK3C Holds 20 Gallons of Fuel and Gulps 6.+ GPH > Ellery Batchelder Jr. > -- What kind of engine were you using that burns more than 6 GPH? My 582 burns less than 4 unless I am running it wide open. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328815#328815


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    Time: 05:40:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    when trying to keep up with everyone else I fly with the 582 is to thirsty for my budget at a much reduced power setting when I am flying alone it will burn a bit above 4 but it will take you all day to get there it seems Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:25 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. lleryweld(at)aol.com wrote: The firestar Held 10 Gallons of fuel and would sip 2.7 GPH=C3=AF=C2 =C2=BD The MK3C Holds 20 Gallons of Fuel and Gulps 6.+ GPH Ellery Batchelder Jr. -- hat kind of engine were you using that burns more than 6 GPH? My 582 burns less han 4 unless I am running it wide open. Richard Pike KIII N420P (420ldPoops) ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328815#328815 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 05:44:13 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
    What kind of engine were you using that burns more than 6 GPH? My 582 burns less than 4 unless I am running it wide open. Richard Pike Richard P/Gang: Fuel consumption is based on how the MKIII is flown. Most 582's on MKIII's burn 5 gph. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 06:05:45 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
    Forgot to include the rpm in my previous msg. Fuel consumption is based on how the MKIII is flown. Most 582's on MKIII's burn 5 gph at 5800. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 09:56:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition
    From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    << Please give me in the simplest form the major differences between the Firestar I and a MK3C. Thanks - Dennis Long in W. TN. >> Dennis L. - >From the picture you posed, it looks like a very nicely-built M3-classic. You should have many hours of fun, reliable flying in your future! I was intrigued with the small fairing installed between the gap seal and the windshield top. I too, would like to have such a fairing for my Mark-3, but the Kolb factory does not manufacture these. The one on your airplane is likely homemade, by the builder. Is it a fiberglass fairing? From the picture, it looks like it is attached only to the leading edge of the gap seal - true? Just trying to get ideas, for when I fabricate my own. Many thanks - Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, in Sandia Park, NM


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    Time: 01:36:46 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Fwd: Check out these flying skills
    Don't know if this has hit the List previously, but it's an awesome example of complete control. I'm especially impressed with the knife-edge flight; the fuselage is flat, but the rudder is small; very little area to produce lift. Doubt if a Kolb could come close to these maneuvers, and I hope no one ever tries. But has anyone ever rolled a Kolb? Done any (deliberate) unusual-attitude flying? I'm NOT suggesting anyone tries! Russ K do not archive > > > This guy is awesome!!!! > > > http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv > > > > >


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    Time: 02:02:15 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out these flying skills
    At 04:30 PM 1/28/2011, russ kinne wrote: >Don't know if this has hit the List previously, but it's an awesome >example of complete control. I'm especially impressed with the knife-edge >flight; the fuselage is flat, but the rudder is small; very little area to >produce lift. >Doubt if a Kolb could come close to these maneuvers, and I hope no one >ever tries. But has anyone ever rolled a Kolb? Done any (deliberate) >unusual-attitude flying? >I'm NOT suggesting anyone tries! Many people have looped and rolled Kolbs. Of course with a model like in your video, with the insane power to weight ratio and absurdly low Reynolds numbers, and no pilot to endure the g-loading, you can get away with a lot more. -Dana -- As I learn the innermost secrets of the people around me, they reward me in many ways to keep me quiet.


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    Time: 02:02:27 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out these flying skills
    Russ, you think if I tie some yellow ribbons on my wingtips I can do that too??? Oh well, spring is a while a way. BB do not archive BTW, I recently bought an old shack in FL. I might get to the Sebring LSA event next season. -I doubt I'll do sun-n-fun again. On 28, Jan 2011, at 4:30 PM, russ kinne wrote: > Don't know if this has hit the List previously, but it's an awesome example of complete control. I'm especially impressed with the knife-edge flight; the fuselage is flat, but the rudder is small; very little area to produce lift. > Doubt if a Kolb could come close to these maneuvers, and I hope no one ever tries. But has anyone ever rolled a Kolb? Done any (deliberate) unusual-attitude flying? > I'm NOT suggesting anyone tries! > Russ K > do not archive > >> >> >> This guy is awesome!!!! >> >> >> http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv >> >> >> >> >> >


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    Time: 02:56:48 PM PST US
    From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>
    Subject: Check out these flying skills
    Hi All, Back in the early 80`s I watched John H. do hammer head stalls in his Firestar. It was at the flight farm in Horsehead NY. I was flying my brand new to the market Paraplane. My first step toward flying a Kolb. The Paraplane was first marketed by Steve Snyder. Steve was a very smart and very nice man. I watched him do two snap rolls in his jet about 50 feet above the runway, the day I purchased my Paraplane. Unfortunately, he was killed in that same jet, a few years after Introducing the Paraplane to the market. I`m not sure what happened, it was his private jet. I was told he had a flame out at low altitude. A real shame, as I think he would have contributed so much more to the world of aviation, if he hadn`t been killed. Lanny N598LF


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    Time: 04:36:33 PM PST US
    From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: BFR
    Hi All,=0AJust finished my BFR a few minutes ago--Yes, I passed ,just barel y-I think----we =0Aused a 172.=0A-This is the first time in 2&1/2 years I have flown anything other than my =0Afirestar. It amazed me how much I t ook =0A=0Athe kolbs preformance for granted. The 172 was very smooth &-di d everything I =0Aasked it to,but for want of a better=0Aword felt numb sor t of-like your mouth does after a shot of novocain. The Kolb =0Aon the ot her hand feels almost alive=0Avery responsive,and quick, even with its heav y alerons eager to go places and do =0Astuff. I fell bad that I have taken =0Afor granted the extreamly pleasant experince of flying my airplane , som etimes =0Ato the point of being bored.=0AI-plan to pay more attention in the future.=0A-Everone Have Fun , Enjoy , and stay safe=0AFrank--


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    Time: 04:53:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: BFR
    From: Daniel Myers <h20maule@hotmail.com>
    Ever since my ppl When I turned 17 I have only flown my firestar and searey until the other day. I grew up flying maule float planes and hopped in one for the 1st time in years. The first flew landings were terrible at best. Amazing how these planes change the way you fly!!! Thanks=2C Daniel Myers Cell: 407 920 7700 21 Years old-200hrs in fs2 and mk3/mark extra. 500 in searey On Jan 28=2C 2011=2C at 7:25 PM=2C frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net > wrote: > Hi All=2C > Just finished my BFR a few minutes ago--Yes=2C I passed =2Cjust barely I think----we used a 172. > This is the first time in 2&1/2 years I have flown anything other than m y firestar. It amazed me how much I took > the kolbs preformance for granted. The 172 was very smooth & did everythi ng I asked it to=2Cbut for want of a better > word felt numb sort of like your mouth does after a shot of novocain. The Kolb on the other hand feels almost alive > very responsive=2Cand quick=2C even with its heavy alerons eager to go pl aces and do stuff. I fell bad that I have taken > for granted the extreamly pleasant experince of flying my airplane =2C so metimes to the point of being bored. > I plan to pay more attention in the future. > Everone Have Fun =2C Enjoy =2C and stay safe > Frank > > =========== =========== =========== =========== >


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    Time: 05:06:36 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: BFR
    >Amazing how these planes change the way you fly!!! >Thanks=2C >Daniel Myers Daniel=2C Change the way you fly?? Could you elaborate? I'm curious what you mean=2C since I've never neen a (running) Kolb. So far=2C 99% of my flying experience has been my own 172's=2C and about 15-20 hours of Quicksilver II=2C dual=2C never soloed. Mike Welch MkIII CX


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    Time: 08:16:05 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: BFR
    Typo again! I meant "been in" a running Kolb=2C I've never been in a running Kolb. In other words....what's it like=2C especially compared to a 172? Thanks=2C Mike From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BFR >Amazing how these planes change the way you fly!!! >Thanks=2C >Daniel Myers Daniel=2C Change the way you fly?? Could you elaborate? I'm curious what you mean=2C since I've never neen a (running) Kolb. So far=2C 99% of my flying experience has been my own 172's=2C and about 15-20 hours of Quicksilver II=2C dual=2C never soloed. Mike Welch MkIII CX


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    Time: 08:37:30 PM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: New Dremel accessory
    I bought a Sears Craftsman Trade name Rotary grinder, it may be a Dremel or Dremel look alike over 10 years ago. I use it often. So far it has held up well. I see no sign of it giving up the ghost. ============================== ---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote: ============ Hi Rick, The disks that I was referring to were fragile, unreinforced kind. If you breathed on them hard, they broke!! Pretty near useless, IMO, unless you were cutting balsa wood....slowly!! The 'much better' ones I was referring to are the fiber reinforced ones. I generally got lots of mileage out of these....that is, unless I bumped them sideways, or layed the tool down too hard. I have bent in half dozens of these. Yes, they do have the rediculously little 1/16" hole!! I haven't seen the new cut-off discs you're referring to. I'll make it a point to check them out. As I previously stated, I really liked the Ryobi rotary tool. But, I'm open to recommendations regarding the Dremel. Does anyone have a "preferred model" they like.....and why? Mike Welch -- kugelair.com


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    Time: 08:43:12 PM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Dependable instruments
    Talking about instruments. I had to convert to a mode S trnspndr FAA requirement for me. Anyway I have available for sale a mode C trnsponder including the mode C encoder. The stuff works when I removed it. I thought I am going to use it on my M3X, but I rather have the money. If anyone wants to buy it contact me offline and make an offer. Ron @ KFHU ===================== ---- Vic Peters <vicsv@myfairpoint.net> wrote: ============ Anyone I have a UMA asi. It stopped working a couple times. 1st I thought it was the air flow pitot cover. Not. Started woking during climb. 2nd time I hit ET (gauge cluster) on the head and it worked. What should I look for besides a new one? Vic 912ul xtra -------- Vic 912ul Xtra Maine Too old to cut the mustard but not the cheese. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328430#328430 -- kugelair.com


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    Time: 08:43:40 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: BFR
    I meant "been in" a running Kolb, I've never been in a running Kolb. In other words....what's it like, especially compared to a 172? Thanks, Mike There is no comparison between flying a Kolb and a 172. Kolbs make one free and alive. Kolbs do things spam cans can not do. Kolbs are an adventure. john h Kolb builder/pilot Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 08:57:35 PM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Dependable instruments
    That damned Pterodactyl I flew a while ago had no gauges at all, not even a one. I bought an ASI the plastic tube one to feel fancy in the last couple of flights. Really don't need gauges, its easy to sense when you ain't feeling no wind and the nose points down. Flew the Sierra that way too a couple of times back when I used a tennis ball for pitot tube cover. No big deal either. It does not take long to get the feel for it, like 30 seconds. ============ Yes, Frank, but how many BRAND NEW, NEVER FLOWN airplanes, with "never proven that they even work" airpeed indicators in them have you flown?? When I take my maiden flight, it will be the FIRST time my plane will have ever been in the air. It will also be the FIRST time the airspeed instruments will ever be asked to show a useful reading. No one, (NONE) has said anything about needing an airspeed instrument, or NOT needing one. The subject has just been about the accuracy of cheaper vs. more expensive ones. When I had my Cessna 172, I used to fly all the time not looking at the airspeed indicator. I especially like "super slow flight", where I was practically hanging on the prop, and the stall horn 'a blarin'. I've crashed an ultralight once. Hurt so damn bad, I can't even face thinking about it. I darn sure don't want to do that again. It was one of the top two injuries in my life!!! Sorry if I sound miffed, but you make it seem as if I'm concerned about nothing, either that, or you didn't catch the point of the discussion. Several of our Kolb friends are not with us anymore. I'd like to NOT join them!! After a person is familiar with their plane, sure, then they can practice lots of flying without an airspeed indicator. But for me, I'd rather be over-cautious with my track record of new flights. Mike Welch From: frank.goodnight@att.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Dependable instruments All the talk about airspeed indicaters leads to me to ask if I am the only one that routinely practices flying with out useing the ASI ,take off, landings, slow flight , stalls ,unsual attitudes .especially takeoffs and landings from differant alt above sea level --35ft to over 6000ft .different aproch speeds , landing uphill- downhill or anythin else I can think of that will help me to fly the airplane. Frank Goodnight From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 11:18:09 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Dependable instruments > I have a UMA asi. It stopped working a couple times. > Vic > 912ul > xtra Hi Vic, I took apart a poorly working TSO'd airspeed indicator once. (I've taken apart two airspeed indicators, and put them back together) If I remember correctly, there was very slight metal corrosion on the internal moving and touching parts. I carefully cleaned them up with an electronic parts cleaner product, put on a couple of tiny drops of mineral oil (really tiny!!!) on the moving parts where they contact, and it worked like a champ!! I even took the time to clean the dial face real nice, and purdy. I polished the glass lens, and put the whole arrangement back together. It was given to me for free. I sold it for $130 to a guy on eBay. He installed it immediately after getting it, and said it worked flawlessly for his flight back to Los Angeles. So, in a nutshell, I'd say you might have some light corrosion. Take it apart, and look. BTW, you'll want a spotless work environment!! Lay out a clean light colored towel. Light colored so you can see the tiny little screws, when you drop them. Just a thought.... Mike Welch -- kugelair.com


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    Time: 09:33:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    John Hauck wrote: > Forgot to include the rpm in my previous msg. > > Fuel consumption is based on how the MKIII is flown. Most 582's on MKIII's > burn 5 gph at 5800. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama I guess that explains why I never go anywhere, 5800 is above my comfort zone. I would rather roll with the punches than fight back. Have to be content with looking at the pictures the rest of you take. So keep taking those pictures & post them. (But not at full size, please) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328881#328881




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