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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Richard Pike)
3. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (John Hauck)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (John Hauck)
6. 09:56 AM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
7. 01:36 PM - Fw: Check out these flying skills (russ kinne)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: Fw: Check out these flying skills (Dana Hague)
9. 02:02 PM - Re: Fw: Check out these flying skills (robert bean)
10. 02:56 PM - Check out these flying skills (Lanny Fetterman)
11. 04:36 PM - BFR (frank goodnight)
12. 04:53 PM - Re: BFR (Daniel Myers)
13. 05:06 PM - Re: BFR (Mike Welch)
14. 08:16 PM - Re: BFR (Mike Welch)
15. 08:37 PM - Re: New Dremel accessory (Ron @ KFHU)
16. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Dependable instruments (Ron @ KFHU)
17. 08:43 PM - Re: BFR (John Hauck)
18. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Dependable instruments (Ron @ KFHU)
19. 09:33 PM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Richard Pike)
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. |
"If you can fly one model Kolb, you can fly them all....
john h "
The following does not really apply to the original question but I just couldn't
let the above statement go by without comment.
I agree that if you can FLY one Kolb you can FLY them all, but landing and take-off
on pavement in a Slingshot is a different story. It is not hard to learn
but it is not really much like the short leg Kolbs; more like a traditional tail
dragger with excellent visibility.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful.
Ann Landers
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. |
elleryweld(at)aol.com wrote:
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> The firestar Held 10 Gallons of fuel and would sip 2.7 GPH
> The MK3C Holds 20 Gallons of Fuel and Gulps 6.+ GPH
> Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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What kind of engine were you using that burns more than 6 GPH? My 582 burns less
than 4 unless I am running it wide open.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. |
when trying to keep up with everyone else I fly with the 582 is to thirsty
for my budget
at a much reduced power setting when I am flying alone it will burn a bit
above 4 but it will take you all day to get there it seems
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition.
lleryweld(at)aol.com wrote:
The firestar Held 10 Gallons of fuel and would sip 2.7 GPH=C3=AF=C2
=C2=BD
The MK3C Holds 20 Gallons of Fuel and Gulps 6.+ GPH
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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hat kind of engine were you using that burns more than 6 GPH? My 582 burns
less
han 4 unless I am running it wide open.
Richard Pike
KIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. |
What kind of engine were you using that burns more than 6 GPH? My 582 burns
less than 4 unless I am running it wide open.
Richard Pike
Richard P/Gang:
Fuel consumption is based on how the MKIII is flown. Most 582's on MKIII's
burn 5 gph.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. |
Forgot to include the rpm in my previous msg.
Fuel consumption is based on how the MKIII is flown. Most 582's on MKIII's
burn 5 gph at 5800.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition |
<< Please give me in the simplest form the major differences between the
Firestar I and a MK3C.
Thanks - Dennis Long in W. TN. >>
Dennis L. -
>From the picture you posed, it looks like a very nicely-built
M3-classic. You should have many hours of fun, reliable flying in your
future!
I was intrigued with the small fairing installed between the gap seal
and the windshield top. I too, would like to have such a fairing for my
Mark-3, but the Kolb factory does not manufacture these. The one on
your airplane is likely homemade, by the builder.
Is it a fiberglass fairing? From the picture, it looks like it is
attached only to the leading edge of the gap seal - true? Just trying
to get ideas, for when I fabricate my own.
Many thanks -
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, in
Sandia Park, NM
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Subject: | Fwd: Check out these flying skills |
Don't know if this has hit the List previously, but it's an awesome example of
complete control. I'm especially impressed with the knife-edge flight; the fuselage
is flat, but the rudder is small; very little area to produce lift.
Doubt if a Kolb could come close to these maneuvers, and I hope no one ever tries.
But has anyone ever rolled a Kolb? Done any (deliberate) unusual-attitude
flying?
I'm NOT suggesting anyone tries!
Russ K
do not archive
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> This guy is awesome!!!!
>
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> http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Check out these flying skills |
At 04:30 PM 1/28/2011, russ kinne wrote:
>Don't know if this has hit the List previously, but it's an awesome
>example of complete control. I'm especially impressed with the knife-edge
>flight; the fuselage is flat, but the rudder is small; very little area to
>produce lift.
>Doubt if a Kolb could come close to these maneuvers, and I hope no one
>ever tries. But has anyone ever rolled a Kolb? Done any (deliberate)
>unusual-attitude flying?
>I'm NOT suggesting anyone tries!
Many people have looped and rolled Kolbs. Of course with a model like in
your video, with the insane power to weight ratio and absurdly low Reynolds
numbers, and no pilot to endure the g-loading, you can get away with a lot
more.
-Dana
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many ways to keep me quiet.
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Check out these flying skills |
Russ, you think if I tie some yellow ribbons on my wingtips I can do
that too???
Oh well, spring is a while a way.
BB
do not archive
BTW, I recently bought an old shack in FL. I might get to the Sebring
LSA event next season.
-I doubt I'll do sun-n-fun again.
On 28, Jan 2011, at 4:30 PM, russ kinne wrote:
> Don't know if this has hit the List previously, but it's an awesome
example of complete control. I'm especially impressed with the
knife-edge flight; the fuselage is flat, but the rudder is small; very
little area to produce lift.
> Doubt if a Kolb could come close to these maneuvers, and I hope no one
ever tries. But has anyone ever rolled a Kolb? Done any (deliberate)
unusual-attitude flying?
> I'm NOT suggesting anyone tries!
> Russ K
> do not archive
>
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>> This guy is awesome!!!!
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>> http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv
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Subject: | Check out these flying skills |
Hi All, Back in the early 80`s I watched John H. do hammer head
stalls in his Firestar. It was at the flight farm in Horsehead NY. I
was flying my brand new to the market Paraplane. My first step toward
flying a Kolb. The Paraplane was first marketed by Steve Snyder.
Steve was a very smart and very nice man. I watched him do two snap
rolls in his jet about 50 feet above the runway, the day I purchased
my Paraplane. Unfortunately, he was killed in that same jet, a few
years after Introducing the Paraplane to the market. I`m not sure
what happened, it was his private jet. I was told he had a flame out
at low altitude. A real shame, as I think he would have contributed
so much more to the world of aviation, if he hadn`t been killed. Lanny N598LF
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Hi All,=0AJust finished my BFR a few minutes ago--Yes, I passed ,just barel
y-I think----we =0Aused a 172.=0A-This is the first time in 2&1/2 years
I have flown anything other than my =0Afirestar. It amazed me how much I t
ook =0A=0Athe kolbs preformance for granted. The 172 was very smooth &-di
d everything I =0Aasked it to,but for want of a better=0Aword felt numb sor
t of-like your mouth does after a shot of novocain. The Kolb =0Aon the ot
her hand feels almost alive=0Avery responsive,and quick, even with its heav
y alerons eager to go places and do =0Astuff. I fell bad that I have taken
=0Afor granted the extreamly pleasant experince of flying my airplane , som
etimes =0Ato the point of being bored.=0AI-plan to pay more attention in
the future.=0A-Everone Have Fun , Enjoy , and stay safe=0AFrank--
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Ever since my ppl When I turned 17 I have only flown my firestar and searey
until the other day. I grew up flying maule float planes and hopped in one
for the 1st time in years. The first flew landings were terrible at best.
Amazing how these planes change the way you fly!!!
Thanks=2C
Daniel Myers
Cell: 407 920 7700
21 Years old-200hrs in fs2 and mk3/mark extra. 500 in searey
On Jan 28=2C 2011=2C at 7:25 PM=2C frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net
> wrote:
> Hi All=2C
> Just finished my BFR a few minutes ago--Yes=2C I passed =2Cjust barely I
think----we used a 172.
> This is the first time in 2&1/2 years I have flown anything other than m
y firestar. It amazed me how much I took
> the kolbs preformance for granted. The 172 was very smooth & did everythi
ng I asked it to=2Cbut for want of a better
> word felt numb sort of like your mouth does after a shot of novocain. The
Kolb on the other hand feels almost alive
> very responsive=2Cand quick=2C even with its heavy alerons eager to go pl
aces and do stuff. I fell bad that I have taken
> for granted the extreamly pleasant experince of flying my airplane =2C so
metimes to the point of being bored.
> I plan to pay more attention in the future.
> Everone Have Fun =2C Enjoy =2C and stay safe
> Frank
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>Amazing how these planes change the way you fly!!!
>Thanks=2C
>Daniel Myers
Daniel=2C
Change the way you fly?? Could you elaborate? I'm curious
what you mean=2C since I've never neen a (running) Kolb.
So far=2C 99% of my flying experience has been my own 172's=2C
and about 15-20 hours of Quicksilver II=2C dual=2C never soloed.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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Typo again!
I meant "been in" a running Kolb=2C I've never been in a running Kolb.
In other words....what's it like=2C especially compared to a 172?
Thanks=2C Mike
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BFR
>Amazing how these planes change the way you fly!!!
>Thanks=2C
>Daniel Myers
Daniel=2C
Change the way you fly?? Could you elaborate? I'm curious
what you mean=2C since I've never neen a (running) Kolb.
So far=2C 99% of my flying experience has been my own 172's=2C
and about 15-20 hours of Quicksilver II=2C dual=2C never soloed.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | New Dremel accessory |
I bought a Sears Craftsman Trade name Rotary grinder, it may be a Dremel or Dremel
look alike over 10 years ago. I use it often. So far it has held up well.
I see no sign of it giving up the ghost.
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---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Rick,
The disks that I was referring to were fragile, unreinforced kind.
If you breathed on them hard, they broke!! Pretty near useless, IMO,
unless you were cutting balsa wood....slowly!!
The 'much better' ones I was referring to are the fiber reinforced ones.
I generally got lots of mileage out of these....that is, unless I bumped
them sideways, or layed the tool down too hard. I have bent in half
dozens of these. Yes, they do have the rediculously little 1/16" hole!!
I haven't seen the new cut-off discs you're referring to. I'll make it a
point to check them out.
As I previously stated, I really liked the Ryobi rotary tool. But, I'm open
to
recommendations regarding the Dremel. Does anyone have a "preferred
model" they like.....and why?
Mike Welch
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Dependable instruments |
Talking about instruments. I had to convert to a mode S trnspndr FAA requirement
for me. Anyway I have available for sale a mode C trnsponder including the mode
C encoder. The stuff works when I removed it. I thought I am going to use
it on my M3X, but I rather have the money. If anyone wants to buy it contact me
offline and make an offer.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Vic Peters <vicsv@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
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Anyone
I have a UMA asi. It stopped working a couple times. 1st I thought it
was the air flow pitot cover. Not. Started woking during climb. 2nd time
I hit ET (gauge cluster) on the head and it worked.
What should I look for besides a new one?
Vic
912ul
xtra
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Vic
912ul Xtra
Maine
Too old to cut the mustard but not the cheese.
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I meant "been in" a running Kolb, I've never been in a running Kolb.
In other words....what's it like, especially compared to a 172?
Thanks, Mike
There is no comparison between flying a Kolb and a 172.
Kolbs make one free and alive.
Kolbs do things spam cans can not do.
Kolbs are an adventure.
john h
Kolb builder/pilot
Titus, Alabama
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Dependable instruments |
That damned Pterodactyl I flew a while ago had no gauges at all, not even a one.
I bought an ASI the plastic tube one to feel fancy in the last couple of flights.
Really don't need gauges, its easy to sense when you ain't feeling no wind
and the nose points down. Flew the Sierra that way too a couple of times back
when I used a tennis ball for pitot tube cover. No big deal either. It does
not take long to get the feel for it, like 30 seconds.
============
Yes, Frank, but how many BRAND NEW, NEVER FLOWN airplanes,
with "never proven that they even work" airpeed indicators in them
have you flown??
When I take my maiden flight, it will be the FIRST time my plane will
have ever been in the air. It will also be the FIRST time the
airspeed instruments will ever be asked to show a useful reading.
No one, (NONE) has said anything about needing an airspeed
instrument, or NOT needing one. The subject has just been
about the accuracy of cheaper vs. more expensive ones.
When I had my Cessna 172, I used to fly all the time not looking at the
airspeed indicator. I especially like "super slow flight", where I was
practically hanging on the prop, and the stall horn 'a blarin'.
I've crashed an ultralight once. Hurt so damn bad, I can't even face
thinking about it. I darn sure don't want to do that again. It was one of the
top
two injuries in my life!!!
Sorry if I sound miffed, but you make it seem as if I'm concerned about
nothing, either that, or you didn't catch the point of the discussion.
Several of our Kolb friends are not with us anymore. I'd like to NOT
join them!!
After a person is familiar with their plane, sure, then they can practice
lots of flying without an airspeed indicator. But for me, I'd rather be
over-cautious with my track record of new flights.
Mike Welch
From: frank.goodnight@att.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Dependable instruments
All the talk about airspeed indicaters leads to me to ask if I am the only one
that routinely practices flying
with out useing the ASI ,take off, landings, slow flight , stalls ,unsual attitudes
.especially takeoffs and landings
from differant alt above sea level --35ft to over 6000ft .different aproch speeds
, landing uphill- downhill or anythin
else I can think of that will help me to fly the airplane.
Frank Goodnight
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 11:18:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Dependable instruments
> I have a UMA asi. It stopped working a couple times. > Vic
> 912ul
> xtra
Hi Vic,
I took apart a poorly working TSO'd airspeed indicator once.
(I've taken apart two airspeed indicators, and put them back together)
If I remember correctly, there was very slight metal corrosion
on the internal moving and touching parts. I carefully cleaned
them up with an electronic parts cleaner product, put on a
couple of tiny drops of mineral oil (really tiny!!!) on the moving
parts where they contact, and it worked like a champ!!
I even took the time to clean the dial face real nice, and purdy. I
polished the glass lens, and put the whole arrangement back together.
It was given to me for free. I sold it for $130 to a guy on eBay.
He installed it immediately after getting it, and said it worked
flawlessly for his flight back to Los Angeles.
So, in a nutshell, I'd say you might have some light corrosion.
Take it apart, and look.
BTW, you'll want a spotless work environment!! Lay out a clean
light colored towel. Light colored so you can see the tiny little screws,
when you drop them.
Just a thought....
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. |
John Hauck wrote:
> Forgot to include the rpm in my previous msg.
>
> Fuel consumption is based on how the MKIII is flown. Most 582's on MKIII's
> burn 5 gph at 5800.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
I guess that explains why I never go anywhere, 5800 is above my comfort zone.
I would rather roll with the punches than fight back.
Have to be content with looking at the pictures the rest of you take.
So keep taking those pictures & post them. (But not at full size, please)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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