---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/29/11: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:03 AM - Re: BFR (Beauford) 2. 07:41 AM - Re: BFR (John Hauck) 3. 07:53 AM - Re: BFR (PCKing) 4. 08:55 AM - Re: BFR (robert bean) 5. 10:49 AM - Re: BFR (frank goodnight) 6. 01:28 PM - Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:52 AM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BFR Wow...! Are you OK, John...? .....except for the alimony part, you have come very close to describing my first wife.... Crazy Louise... ...wonder where 'ol Craze is now....? do not archive beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL ------------------------- Kolbs make one free and alive. Kolbs do things spam cans can not do. Kolbs are an adventure. john h Kolb builder/pilot Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:20 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR Beauford, come to think of it, sounds a lot my first wife. Your first one must have been a hoot! Anybody know how to compare a 172 to a Kolb? I don't. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama .....except for the alimony part, you have come very close to describing my first wife.... Crazy Louise... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:16 AM PST US From: "PCKing" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR John, You are comparing a full size Buick sedan to a rag top MG TD. PCKing ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR Beauford, come to think of it, sounds a lot my first wife. Your first one must have been a hoot! Anybody know how to compare a 172 to a Kolb? I don't. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama .....except for the alimony part, you have come very close to describing my first wife.... Crazy Louise... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:35 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR Close, but I would prefer an analogy to a VW bug. MG TDs had a reliability problem. The 172 is a fine airplane but these days cost a bunch to own and fly. -besides needing WAY too much runway. What always perplexed me were the guys who would sign one out at the local FBO to fly SOLO on saturday morning.??? 150s were cheaper and did the same thing. An 85 hp 140 will run right alongside a 172 and consume much less fuel. I guess some guys just like to cruise down the expressway in a Buick. BB (I only had a first wife. There isn't any replacement) On 29, Jan 2011, at 10:50 AM, PCKing wrote: > > John, > > You are comparing a full size Buick sedan to a rag top MG TD. > > PCKing > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Hauck > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR > > > Beauford, come to think of it, sounds a lot my first wife. > > Your first one must have been a hoot! > > Anybody know how to compare a 172 to a Kolb? I don't. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > .....except for the alimony part, you have come very close to describing my > first wife.... Crazy Louise... > > beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, p; Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp ; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c= =============== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:06 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR Hi Robert,=0AI like your analogy- of the VW to the Buick ,-Both have th ier place, and will =0Aboth get you where are going.=0AYou would probally h ave a better chance of haveing fun in the vw.=0A- Same with the kolb,-o n any trip ,lots-more opportunitys for fun.=0AI have regained my-apprec iation for the flying qualities of the firestar2. And =0Ahope not to take -it for granted again.=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0AFrom: robert bean =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Sat, January 29, 2011 10:46:35 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: BFR =0A=0AClose, but I would prefer an analogy to a VW bug. -MG TDs had a rel iability =0Aproblem. =0A=0A=0AThe 172 is a fine airplane but these days cos t a bunch to own and fly. --besides =0Aneeding WAY too much runway.=0AWha t always perplexed me were the guys who would sign one out at the local FBO =0Ato fly SOLO on saturday morning.???=0A150s were cheaper and did the sam e thing. -An 85 hp 140 will run right alongside =0Aa 172 and consume much less fuel.=0A=0AI guess some guys just like to cruise down the expressway in a Buick.=0ABB=0A(I only had a first wife. -There isn't any replacement )=0A=0AOn 29, Jan 2011, at 10:50 AM, PCKing wrote:=0A=0A-=0A>John,=0A>- =0A>You are comparing a full size Buick sedan to a rag top MG TD.=0A>-=0A >PCKing-=0A>-=0A>----- Original Message -----=0A>>From:-John Hauck=0A >>To:-kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>>Sent:-Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:3 8 AM=0A>>Subject:-Re: Kolb-List: BFR=0A>>=0A>>--> Kolb-List message poste d by: "John Hauck" =0A>>=0A>>Beauford, come to think of it, sounds a lot my first wife.=0A>>=0A>>Your first one must have been a hoot!=0A>>=0A>>Anybody know how to compare a 172 to a Kolb?- I don't.=0A >>=0A>>john h=0A>>mkIII=0A>>Titus, Alabama=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-.....except for the alimony part, you have come very close to describing my=0A>>first wife ....-- Crazy Louise...=0A>>=0A>>-beauford=0A>>FF-076=0A>>Brandon, p; -------- Navigator Photoshare, and =0A>>href="http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp;--- via =0A>> the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A >>_p;-------- generous bsp;---------- --------- =0A>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion">http://www.matronics.com/c============== ====0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhref="http:// forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matr onics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0An =0A=0A> ============== =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar to MK III C transition. From: "Richard Pike" [quote="lcottrell"]The comparison that I would make is that you are trading a sports car for a van, but you will have more range and can carry more stuff. Larry Oregon > [b] Having owned a MKIII since 1995 and having a FSII in the hangar next to me since 2005 (which I could fly whenever I wanted,) let me weigh in on this. If you leave the aileron bellcrank which connects to the aileron pushrods the standard distance between the two pushrod bolt holes, then I would agree with you, and would also add that both of them require heavy stick forces to extract maximum agility. If you reduce the distance between the bolt holes to improve your stick leverage on both airplanes, then the FSII simply becomes a lot less labor intensive to fly, and the MKIII becomes not only less labor intensive, but a lot more agile in the process. This might seem a bit counter-intuitive, nonetheless that is how it works, probably because none of us is likely to try and get serious agility out of an airplane when it seems like it takes "too much muscle" to do it. Modified you have a situation where the FSII handles like a smaller sports car, and the MKIII like a well designed sports sedan with all the handling options. Plus room for sweet thing & a picnic lunch... MKIII aileron mod: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg7.htm FSII aileron mod: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20ailerons.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328936#328936 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.