Kolb-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/04/11


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:49 AM - viking engines (frank goodnight)
     2. 08:52 AM - Re: viking engines (Mike Welch)
     3. 09:03 AM - Re: suds (Herb)
     4. 09:11 AM - Re: viking engines (Thom Riddle)
     5. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: suds (Mike Welch)
     6. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: viking engines ()
     7. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: viking engines (Richard Girard)
     8. 11:04 AM - Fw: hello (Larry Cottrell)
     9. 11:32 AM - Re: Hello (william sullivan)
    10. 11:47 AM - Re: Fw: hello (Richard Girard)
    11. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: viking engines (Sky Biker Richardson)
    12. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Hello (Larry Cottrell)
    13. 12:12 PM - Re: Fw: hello (Vic)
    14. 12:16 PM - Re: viking engines (frank goodnight)
    15. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Hello (Dallas Shepherd)
    16. 02:57 PM - BRS mount on FSII? (gotime242)
    17. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Hello (Herb)
    18. 03:23 PM - Re: Fw: hello (Dana Hague)
    19. 03:53 PM - Christmas Came Today (Rick Lewis)
    20. 04:40 PM - Re: BRS mount on FSII? (gotime242)
    21. 05:02 PM - Re: Fw: hello (russ kinne)
    22. 05:40 PM - Re: bad news good news (ktnc420)
    23. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: bad news good news (John Hauck)
    24. 09:51 PM - Re: bad news good news (Jason Omelchuck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:49:53 AM PST US
    From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: viking engines
    Hi All,=0AIs it just me or- does any one else think that the kolb list is turning into a =0Acomercial for Viking=0Aengines?Frank


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    Time: 08:52:13 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: viking engines
    >Hi All=2C >Is it just me or does any one else think that the kolb list is turning in to a comercial for Viking >engines?Frank Frank=2C I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I don't recall seeing anything about Viking engines. In fact=2C I don't think I've ever heard of a Viking engin e. What references are there to these engines are there? I must have missed them. ???? Mike Welch MkIII GEO turbo PS I hope to be able to start my engine soon=2C but if it would warm up=2C it would be a lot sooner!!! Sure is hard to get a lot done in my shop=2C when my soda pop fr eezes up solid. (it really did!!!)


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    Time: 09:03:48 AM PST US
    From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: RE: suds
    Mike!!! Beer has a lower freezing point!! :-) Herb At 10:25 AM 2/4/2011, you wrote: > >Hi All, > >Is it just me or does any one else think that the kolb list is > turning into a comercial for Viking > >engines?Frank > >Frank, > > I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I don't recall > seeing anything about >Viking engines. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a Viking >engine. What references >are there to these engines are there? I must have missed them. ???? > >Mike Welch >MkIII GEO turbo > >PS I hope to be able to start my engine soon, but if it would warm >up, it would be a lot >sooner!!! Sure is hard to get a lot done in my shop, when my soda >pop freezes up solid. >(it really did!!!) > >


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    Time: 09:11:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: viking engines
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Frank, It must be just you. I don't recall seeing Viking engines mentioned either.... until your post. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. Ann Landers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329591#329591


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    Time: 09:51:29 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: RE: suds
    >Mike!!! >Beer has a lower freezing point!! :-) Herb Herb=2C Hahahahaha!! That it does=2C Herb=2C that it does!!! Today=2C I'm taking hot coffee=2C tho. I'm trying to get that nosecone ready for it's final installation. I redid the airspeed indicator mount=2C after I walked into it a couple of times. (and I was worried about the need to zap 10 year old kids. ha) I backed it up about 3". Still will work fine=2C and not so easy to bump into. Mounted my comm radio antenna in the nosecone=2C too. Kind of funny how the location works out. I used a 1/8" steel welding rod to make the an tenna=2C and mounted it where it sticks up through the nosecone about 3" ahead of the Lexan windscreen. The rod protrudes about 4-5"=2C so I bent the top end into a little loop=2C perfect for tying a little length of yarn. Looks like it was planned! Well=2C I guess it was!! I've got a small project to complete before I can permanently mount the nosecone. I have to make a little mounting device for the Dynon magnatomet er (for the EFIS). Easy job=2C shouldn't take but a few minutes. Got to get at it! Mike Welch


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    Time: 10:25:05 AM PST US
    From: <rmurrill@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: viking engines
    The Viking (Honda Fit) is a hot topic on several of the other Matronic sites because the first 25 engines are on the verge or just delivered for the approx $10K. Only mentioned in Kolb archives last September. I subscribe to several of the Matronics lists and have more than once sent an appropriate response to the inappropriate list group........ Bob do not archive ---- Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote: > > Frank, > It must be just you. I don't recall seeing Viking engines mentioned either.... until your post. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. > Ann Landers > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329591#329591 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:37:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: viking engines
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    I thought the vikings used sails and oars for power. Is there an internal combustion rune stone out there somewhere? Rick Girard On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote: > > Frank, > It must be just you. I don't recall seeing Viking engines mentioned > either.... until your post. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are > wonderful.=94 > =97Ann Landers > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329591#329591 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 11:04:29 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Fw: hello
    Am I the only one getting these? Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: celinah koneh Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:24 AM Subject: hello Hello dear Greetings to you,My name is Celinah, a young girl, i saw your profile in this site at (forums.matronics.com) and i decide to communicate with you and it will please me if you will be my friend, i wish if you will respond to my mail box so that i will tell you more about my self, i hope to hear from you. yours Celinah


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    Time: 11:32:49 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Hello
    - Larry- I haven't gotten any.- Spam pickers. - -do not archive ------------------------- ----------- Bill Sullivan


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    Time: 11:47:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fw: hello
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    No, you're not. Most of the time Chrome sends them to my spam folder, but occasionally one sneaks through. Rick Girard On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>wrote: > Am I the only one getting these? > Larry > > Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, > which includes my email address. > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* celinah koneh <celinahkoneh28@att.net> > *To:* undisclosed recipients > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:24 AM > *Subject:* hello > > Hello dear > Greetings to you,My name is Celinah, a young girl, i saw your profile in > this site at (forums.matronics.com) and i decide to communicate with you > and it will please me if you will be my friend, i wish if you will respond > to my mail box so that i will tell you more about my self, i hope to hear > from you. > yours Celinah > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 11:48:12 AM PST US
    From: Sky Biker Richardson <smlplanet@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: viking engines
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    Time: 11:50:26 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Hello
    well perhaps I should be flattered, she sounds just dumb enough to be interested in my finer points. What had me surprised was that she got my name not from a porn site, but from the Matronics forum? I thought that I had sent it to Matt, because I thought he might be interested, but I while I am getting invitations from (probably an unwashed hairy dude) this little chick, I haven't heard anything from Matt. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.


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    Time: 12:12:54 PM PST US
    From: "Vic" <vicsv@myfairpoint.net>
    Subject: Re: Fw: hello
    No your not! Have anything against young girls?


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    Time: 12:16:35 PM PST US
    From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Re: viking engines
    Apoligies to- Kolb list, Some how I got on an E-mail list from Viking Eng ines =0A(Honda Fit) got-about-dozen a day. They=0Awere mixed up with th ose from the Kolb list. I just didn't pay enough attention =0Ato who they w ere coming from. Been going on for about a week. try to stay more =0Aalert in the future. Thanks for your patience.=0A=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0AFrom: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, February 4, 2011 8:37:46 AM=0AS ubject: Kolb-List: viking engines=0A=0A=0AHi All,=0AIs it just me or- doe s any one else think that the kolb list is turning into a =0Acomercial for ==================== =0A


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    Time: 02:43:51 PM PST US
    From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
    Subject: Re: Hello
    ------------Boundary-00=_6074DL51VA4000000000--


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    Time: 02:57:40 PM PST US
    Subject: BRS mount on FSII?
    From: "gotime242" <dylanshine@gmail.com>
    Hello all, Im looking to pickup a used brs from a trike and am curious as to how i would mount it on my firestar II. If have seen brs's mounted with what looks like an angles bracket, but it doesnt look like the one im looking at comes with it. Its pictured below. Would this mount work at all or would the angled mount be needed? Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329658#329658 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/45345435_105.jpg


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    Time: 03:00:40 PM PST US
    From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: Hello
    What do I have to do to get one of those emails...?? :-) Herb At 01:17 PM 2/4/2011, you wrote: > Larry- I haven't gotten any. Spam pickers. > > do not archive > Bill Sullivan >


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    Time: 03:23:59 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Fw: hello
    Several people on the Homebuiltairplanes.com forums have gotten this exact same email. All of the recipients were people who had put their email address "in the clear" in a forum post (never a good idea). -Dana At 01:58 PM 2/4/2011, Larry Cottrell wrote: >Am I the only one getting these? >Larry > >Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, >which includes my email address. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:celinahkoneh28@att.net>celinah koneh >To: undisclosed recipients >Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:24 AM >Subject: hello > >Hello dear >Greetings to you,My name is Celinah, a young girl, i saw your profile in >this site at (forums.matronics.com) and i decide to communicate with you >and it will please me if you will be my friend, i wish if you will respond >to my mail box so that i will tell you more about my self, i hope to hear >from you. >yours Celinah > > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.


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    Time: 03:53:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Christmas Came Today
    From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman@hughes.net>
    Today I received my long awaited plans for my MKIII xtra. I bought the plane over three years ago and have been using a set of plans that were for another type and a lot of things simply didn't make sense so there were a lot of calls to Brian. He is a great guy to talk to and was always able to answer any questions I had. The first set of plans were given to me by Donnie and I was told to use them until they had the xtra plans re-done. Brian bought the Kolb company and one of his first projects was to make a good set of plans for the MKIII xtra. I have looked over these new plans and they are outstanding. They came with over 600 pictures on cd and a notebook of detailed text and drawings. I now also have the blueprints others have talked about. Brian has done a wonderful job on these. They are some of the best set of plans I have ever seen. I know this was a lot of work, he obviously took great care in making them. Thank you Brian, Travis, and Dennis. :D -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329666#329666


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    Time: 04:40:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: BRS mount on FSII?
    From: "gotime242" <dylanshine@gmail.com>
    Looks like ill just call Brs and see if this mount is available to buy: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329669#329669 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mount_415.jpg


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    Time: 05:02:50 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: hello
    Pity. Sounds like fun! On Feb 4, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Vic wrote: > No your not! > > Have anything against young girls? <Emoticon3.gif>


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    Time: 05:40:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bad news good news
    From: "ktnc420" <ktony20@hotmail.com>
    Update: Well ol' Ron really balled that thing up. I saw the wreckage yesterday and it is truly amazing he lived through the crash. I only know a Mark III from an extra by the nose and there's no way I could tell by what I saw. He's in worse shape than I had heard. Both legs, pelvis, 7 ribs and some vertebrae. No health insurance either. Friends are asking for donations. It was not mechanical but pilot error. He had 300 hrs. in the plane but got behind it and it was a stall-spin, almost a snap, and it just dropped from about 75'. FAA did investigate. Over and done. The 912 ULS is undamaged I've been told. My Mark III with it's maligned 582 is my first plane and I wasn't really planning to upgrade but I may put a bid in on the 912. My thoughts and prayers are with Ron and his family. KT MarkIII NC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329676#329676


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    Time: 05:51:28 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: bad news good news
    It was not mechanical but pilot error. He had 300 hrs. in the plane but got behind it and it was a stall-spin, almost a snap, and it just dropped from about 75'. My thoughts and prayers are with Ron and his family. KT My thoughts and prayers for Ron and his family also. Very few Kolb crashes are caused by mechanical failure of the airframe. Engines, components, pilots, and Murphy, seem to be a major contributing factor though. john h mkIII titus, alabama


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    Time: 09:51:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bad news good news
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    Hello All, In my opinion, 90% of all Kolb (especially MKIII) accidents are the classic stall at low altitude. They slow down so darn fast and if you do have enough altitude to recover it is almost impossible to get yourself to push the nose down when you are low. Jason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329693#329693




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