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1. 06:32 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (Kip)
2. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (John Hauck)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (Robert Laird)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (Herb)
5. 07:44 AM - nose hoop (Mike Welch)
6. 07:58 AM - Re: nose hoop (b young)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: nose hoop (Mike Welch)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: nose hoop (John Hauck)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: nose hoop (John Hauck)
10. 08:37 AM - Re: nose hoop (Sky Biker Richardson)
11. 08:55 AM - Re: nose hoop (John Hauck)
12. 09:01 AM - Re: nose hoop (Pat Ladd)
13. 09:05 AM - Re: nose hoop (Sky Biker Richardson)
14. 09:16 AM - Re: nose hoop (John Hauck)
15. 09:21 AM - Re: nose hoop (John Hauck)
16. 09:21 AM - Re: nose hoop (Richard Pike)
17. 09:25 AM - Re: nose hoop (Sky Biker Richardson)
18. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: nose hoop (John Hauck)
19. 10:13 AM - Re: nose hoop (racerjerry)
20. 11:07 AM - Question for Richard Pike (winch attach point) (Lanny Fetterman)
21. 11:26 AM - Re: Question for Richard Pike (winch attach point) (william sullivan)
22. 11:29 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (Jimmy Young)
23. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (John Hauck)
24. 12:17 PM - Re: nose hoop (b young)
25. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: nose hoop (robert bean)
26. 03:26 PM - Re: nose hoop (Richard Pike)
27. 04:37 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
28. 05:17 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Dana Hague)
29. 05:17 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Dana Hague)
30. 05:43 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (b young)
31. 06:00 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
32. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: nose hoop (Jack B. Hart)
33. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: nose hoop (Mike Welch)
34. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (chris davis)
35. 08:01 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Richard Pike)
36. 08:14 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (John Hauck)
37. 08:27 PM - Re: Heavy Passengers (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
I'll probably fly down with the the Waiex (boo...hisss, I know... [Embarassed]
)
After making the 7+45 hour flight (one-way) three times I look forward to making
it in 2+45.
See you there...!
Kip
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
I'll probably fly down with the the Waiex (boo...hisss, I know...
[Embarassed] )
After making the 7+45 hour flight (one-way) three times I look forward to
making it in 2+45.
See you there...!
Kip
Kip/Kolbers:
Looking forward to seeing you and the rest of the Kolbers at Lakeland.
Kolb Aircraft has invited Miss P'fer, my MKIII, to spend the week with them
as part of their display. Nothing new for her. She is 20 years old, faded
paint, rock and gravel damage, but she still flies great. Unfortunately,
her pilot doesn't look any better than she does.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:58 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Kolb Aircraft has invited Miss P'fer, my MKIII, to spend the week with them
> as part of their display. Nothing new for her. She is 20 years old, faded
> paint, rock and gravel damage, but she still flies great. Unfortunately,
> her pilot doesn't look any better than she does.
>
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But as long as HE still flies great, then no one should care! :-)
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
Yeah!!! anyone that flies a Kolb don't need no stinking viagra!! :-) Herb
At 09:03 AM 2/9/2011, you wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:58 AM, John Hauck
><<mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>Kolb Aircraft has invited Miss P'fer, my MKIII, to spend the week with them
>as part of their display. Nothing new for her. She is 20 years old, faded
>paint, rock and gravel damage, but she still flies great. Unfortunately,
>her pilot doesn't look any better than she does.
>
>
>But as long as HE still flies great, then no one should care! :-)
>
> -- Robert
>
>
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Kolb guys=2C
In an 'off list' conversation with a fellow Kolber=2C I asked about his
thoughts on the MkIII nose hoop. He has chosen to go with one=2C
but I know several Xtra owners have not.
My question is=3B Is there a big need for a nose hoop? Are a lot
of guys standing their planes up on their noses a lot?
As best as I can guess=2C 99.9% of my MkIII T/O & landings will be
on asphalt runways. There aren't very many grass strips around here=2C
at least=2C not that I'll likely fly in to.
Any thoughts on having a nose hoop? If I'm gonna add one=2C the
time is now!
Mike Welch
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Any thoughts on having a nose hoop? If I'm gonna add one, the
time is now!
Mike Welch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mike where is your peto static system in
relation to where your nose hoop will be located... would it protect
it? boyd youngmkiii
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>mike where is your peto static system in relation to where your nose hoop
will be located... would it protect it? >boyd young
Hi Boyd=2C
The pitot probe is at the bottom=2C front=2C just off-center.....in other
words=2C
exactly where it would get wiped out first.
I kind of always accepted the fact that if I ever stood it up on it's nos
e=2C that the pitot
probe would be on the list of repairs.
Do you think flying from asphalt runways virtually all the time makes any
difference in
the need for a nose hoop?
Mike W
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My question is; Is there a big need for a nose hoop? Are a lot
of guys standing their planes up on their noses a lot?
As best as I can guess, 99.9% of my MkIII T/O & landings will be
on asphalt runways. There aren't very many grass strips around here,
at least, not that I'll likely fly in to.
Any thoughts on having a nose hoop? If I'm gonna add one, the
time is now!
Mike Welch
Mike W/Kolbers:
Homer Kolb designed the nose hoop as a training wheel for those that don't
fly well. ;-)
Homer's factory MKIII did not have a nose hoop on it. However, I did put it
on its nose at Sun and Fun one year with a very large, max capacity
passenger. It happened when I stopped at the fence to unload my healthy
passenger, hit the brakes with the stick full aft, tail in a good Lakeland
wind, and up she went. No damage because we were stopped. That was pilot
error, not MKIII error. If I had not gotten preoccupied with all that goes
on when flying passengers at Lakeland, I would not have put the airplane on
its nose, even with heavy cargo on board.
Just as easy to put the mkIII on its nose on pavement as grass under the
right conditions. If you don't fly off grass you are missing the best part
of flying a Kolb airplane. Grass strips are what Kolbs were designed for
and are where the good folks hang out. ;-)
If you have doubts about keeping the tail on the ground, put a training
wheel on it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Do you think flying from asphalt runways virtually all the time makes any
difference in
the need for a nose hoop?
Mike W
Mike W/Kolbers:
Grass or asphalt runways do not put Kolbs on their nose, but pilots do.
Stay ahead of the aircraft and you will do just fine.
There are no guarantees in aviation except one:
Gravity and Murphy rule!
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Having nosed mine over a couple times it helps when going slow but if at hi
gher speeds I think it does more damage than helps. I am in the process of
installing a Deleon skid plate in place of the hoop such as used on gliders
. My battery and a 3 gal reserve fuel tank are located in the nose section.
I was coming home from a XC when I encountered very strong winds which bow
ed my windshield in. After pushing it back out a couple times I located a f
ield to land in and when about 5-8 foot above the ground the windshield blo
w in again and this time splitting and hitting me in the face knocking my g
lass's and head phones off. Being to late to abort I set it down hard bendi
ng the landing gear and nosing it over causing damage to the nose section a
lso. I always carry duct tape=2C and after the winds let up flew it home bu
t I was VERY lucky!!!
From: byoungplumbing@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: nose hoop
Any thoughts on having a nose hoop? If I'm gonna add
one=2C the
time is now!
Mike Welch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike where is your peto static system in relation
to where your nose hoop will be located... would it protect it? boyd yo
ungmkiii
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I was coming home from a XC when I encountered very strong winds which
bowed my windshield in. After pushing it back out a couple times
Sky Biker/Kolbers:
Curious why your windshield bowed in?
Are you using 1/8" Lexan?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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I asked about his thoughts on the MkIII nose hoop.>>
Hi Mike,
As JH says. Its the pilot, not the plane. I don`t have a hoop on my
Xtra and I wiped the pitot off a couple of times when I had her first.
I was doing taxying runs prior to my first flight and after several
years in the tricycle Challenger I didn`t keep the stick aft. Not sure
that a hoop would have helped as I was weaving after a weathercock and
trying to get used to indiviual toe brakes. Something else I didn`t need
in the Challenger. I am sure that the hoop would have been wiped off by
the sideways motion of the nose cone and probably done damage to the
fixings.
Pat
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I was using .092 Lexan
> From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: nose hoop
> Date: Wed=2C 9 Feb 2011 10:52:53 -0600
>
>
>
> I was coming home from a XC when I encountered very strong winds which
> bowed my windshield in. After pushing it back out a couple times
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> Sky Biker/Kolbers:
>
> Curious why your windshield bowed in?
>
> Are you using 1/8" Lexan?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus=2C Alabama
>
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Kolbers:
I was very fortunate to help fly off the test time on the first MKIII in Feb
1991, while I was building my MKIII and helping Homer build a lot more of
them. During those test flights I was able to determine what I needed to
change on my MKIII to make me happy. Notice, I did not say to make my MKIII
better, but to satisfy me and my style of flying.
First thing my Brother Jim, who was working with Homer at that time, and I
decided was to move the main gear 8" forward, put some weight on the
tailwheel, and keep the tail on the ground. Jim designed new main gear and
my MKIII has no tendancy to want to nose over. The reason we made the
decision to go with the Hauck Main Gear was because Homer put the MKIII on
its nose when he was carrying a very light passenger at the farm, turned the
tail into the wind and promptly put the nose on the ground.
We figured we were going to need to move the gear forward from experience
with the FS. Using 35.5" long main gear legs helped reduce the nose over
tendancy of the FS. Yep, I had an engine failure, put the FS in a pasture,
one wheel hit a big fire ant bed just before it stopped rolling, I had no
brakes, and she went right up on its nose.
The more weight you put in the seats of the standard MKIIIc or x, the easier
it will be to nose it over.
john h - With well over 100 lbs on a tailwheel at the end of a long
tailboom.
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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I was using .092 Lexan
Skybiker/Kolbers:
.125" is what the plans call for.
Haven't gotten any feedback on windshild problems using .125" (1/8").
Are you flying a MKIII?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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I started out with a nose hoop and am glad I did. On my first flight with a passenger,
managed to nose it up during a full throttle runup with the brakes locked,
even with the stick back. The hoop prevented any damage.
John has covered a tailing wind with locked brakes, let me bring up locked brakes
and the high thrust line. With the high thrust line, it is very easy to pick
the tail up off the ground with any of our Kolbs. In order to save abuse on
the tail wheel, boom, and lower vertical stab assembly (since my tail wheel is
not full swivel) I blow the tail up off the ground with forward stick, locked
left brake, and a shot of power to spin the airplane around to position it in
front of the hangar so I can use the pulley and winch to haul it uphill and in.
Obviously it is very different doing a tail-up turn when I have a passenger
versus solo, and the potential is very high to screw up and stick the nose in
the dirt.
With the MKIII gear being where it is, when you have a passenger, locked brakes,
and enough power to raise the tail off the ground, there comes a definite "tipping
point" and it is probably not very high. Also, in that situation, careful
power modulation is probably at least if not more important than what you are
doing with the elevators, however I am not planning to experiment, I have enough
repair projects going on. Anyway, tail up turns are definitely an acquired
skill, not without certain obvious risks. And maybe the next time I go fly,
I'll be patching the nose & pitot system - it could easily happen.
But back to the hoop - once I had enough hours in it to get fully acquainted with
what the MKIII would and would not do, I took the hoop off and just put the
screws back in the holes, and in the 15 years I have flown it since, have not
missed it. But when you are first getting started, as easy an option as it is
to put it on or take it off, why not use it initially? Kinda like feeding crackers
to a dead man - it isn't going to hurt anything...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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I have and fly both=2C a CWS 2 Challenger and a MK111 and used the .092 thi
nk ness for several years with out any problem. The material broke around t
he rivet holes which attached it to the nose section which caused bowing in
at the bottom and then splitting up words. I have snce made fiberglass pie
ces that form to the nose section and better secure the windshield plus a g
ap seal that fits between the center gap and the windshield which stopped
the air from blowing in between the center gap section and the windshield.
The air felt good in the summer but in the winter it was cold and I live in
Florida. I have gotten older and remember the days when I would fly the ul
tralights in the winter with skis ..no more!!! The cockpit heater feel grea
t. LOL
From: pj.ladd@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: nose hoop
I asked about his thoughts on the MkIII nose hoop.>>
Hi Mike=2C
As JH says. Its the pilot=2C not the plane. I
don`t have a hoop on my Xtra and I wiped the pitot off a
couple of times when I had her first.
I was doing taxying runs prior to my first
flight and after several years in the tricycle Challenger I didn`t keep
the stick aft. Not sure that a hoop would have helped as I was weaving afte
r a
weathercock and trying to get used to indiviual toe brakes. Something else
I
didn`t need in the Challenger. I am sure that the hoop would have been
wiped off by the sideways motion of the nose cone and probably done damage
to
the fixings.
Pat
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John has covered a tailing wind with locked brakes,
Richard Pike
Not exactly locked brakes, but using a little brake as I taxied up to the
fence to drop off my passenger.
I might add, we were on the brink of destruction as soon as my passenger got
on board.
Homer put most of the weight on the main gear, nearly all of it, to make his
airplanes docile ground handlers. They are very easy to taxi compared to
the SS and the few MKIII's that sport Hauck Main Gear. Mine is a little
more difficult to control, but she doesn't try to go up on her nose, never
has.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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With the Firestar II, a nose hoop is not an option. If you are foolish enough
(like me) to try and power out of some tall grass or snow, you will get a chance
to practice fiberglass repair. At zero forward speed it didnt do excessive
damage, but it twice cost me some nice nose art. Because of the high thrust
line, my Firestar II can nose over quite easily; maybe I could use a training
wheel. The other problem is once up on the nose, it goes over center (CG slightly
forward of main wheels) and wants to stay there. It takes some agility to
climb out without letting the tail crash to the ground and cause more damage.
--------
Jerry King
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| Subject: | Question for Richard Pike (winch attach point) |
Richard, Where do you attach the winch cable to the airframe? I have
a winch on my FSII trailer, but I only used it once in 10 years. I
attached the cable to the tail wheel, (as I load the FSII tail
first). However, I thought it put a lot of stress on the tail wheel
strut as I pulled it up the loading ramps, and never used it again.
As I get older, it gets more difficult to drag the Kolb up on the
trailer by brute strength. I trailer every time I fly, as there is no
hanger space at Numidia International. Thanks Lanny
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Richard Pike (winch attach point) |
- I had the same problem.--I have a converted boat trailer, with a ha
nd crank winch.- I loop the cable around the tail wheel strut, and then r
un it forward to the main gear.- I run it around both legs near the top,
and put the hook back on the cable.- The tail strut acts only as a guide,
and all stress is at the top of the main gear.- Works like a charm.- J
ust be careful that the loop on the tail strut has the cable over the secti
on of cable running forward, so it won't straighten on you, and the cable i
s inside the tailwheel cables.- I do this with the wings extended, and fo
ld them after it's on the trailer.- The plane comes up with one finger.
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Bill Sullivan
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Windsor Locks, Ct.
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FS 447
--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Question for Richard Pike (winch attach point)
Richard, Where do you attach the winch cable to the airframe? I have a winc
h on my FSII trailer, but I only used it once in 10 years. I attached the c
able to the tail wheel, (as I load the FSII tail first). However, I thought
it put a lot of stress on the tail wheel strut as I pulled it up the loadi
ng ramps, and never used it again. As I get older, it gets more difficult t
o drag the Kolb up on the trailer by brute strength. I trailer every time I
fly, as there is no hanger space at Numidia International. Thanks Lanny
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
I'll probably make my annual 1 day visit. Work load will dictate what day I get
to sneak off and come down.
Look forward to eating collard greens and pot roast again, along with all the Kolb
pilot fellowship.
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
Look forward to eating collard greens and pot roast again, along with all
the Kolb pilot fellowship.
--------
Jimmy Young
Where'd we get those collards? Good eat'n is a big part of Kolbs and Sun &
Fun.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Hi Boyd,
The pitot probe is at the bottom, front, just off-center.....in other
words,
exactly where it would get wiped out first.
I kind of always accepted the fact that if I ever stood it up on it's
nose, that the pitot
probe would be on the list of repairs.
Do you think flying from asphalt runways virtually all the time makes
any difference in
the need for a nose hoop?
Mike W
i think flying from asphalt would just about eliminate the chance of a
nose over. and even with the hoop. the peto may get wiped off
anyway.boyd
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For those who are curious about the MkIII being "over center" in a tail up position....
When I did the engine out into the tall alfalfa three years ago it went on its
nose for a distance
and then plopped back on the tail. I was solo (good thing).
It snapped off the tailspring. I could see from the stress marks at the break
that it was going to go eventually anyway.
The benefit was a shorter spring and a new pitot. :)
BB
genuinely ugly here in western NY today.
( the weather, not me)
On 9, Feb 2011, at 1:09 PM, racerjerry wrote:
>
> With the Firestar II, a nose hoop is not an option. If you are foolish enough
(like me) to try and power out of some tall grass or snow, you will get a chance
to practice fiberglass repair. At zero forward speed it didnt do excessive
damage, but it twice cost me some nice nose art. Because of the high thrust
line, my Firestar II can nose over quite easily; maybe I could use a training
wheel. The other problem is once up on the nose, it goes over center (CG slightly
forward of main wheels) and wants to stay there. It takes some agility
to climb out without letting the tail crash to the ground and cause more damage.
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John Hauck wrote:
> John has covered a tailing wind with locked brakes,
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> Richard Pike
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> Not exactly locked brakes, but using a little brake as I taxied up to the
> fence to drop off my passenger.
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> I might add, we were on the brink of destruction as soon as my passenger got
on board.
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> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
"Brink of destruction" WooHoo - Best line of the week! Thanks for the LOL! moment.
I have taken a few of those sort for a ride, so I know whereof you speak!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
speaking of passengers I have a friend that wants a ride in my MK3c and he
is 350 lbs im not sure I should even attempt it, I am 190 lbs what's you
r thoughts on giving a heavy guy a ride?
the most I have had with me is 250 lbs and 20 gallons fuel
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
I might add, we were on the brink of destruction as soon as my passenger
got
n board.
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
At 07:19 PM 2/9/2011, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote:
>speaking of passengers I have a friend that wants a ride in my MK3c and he
>is 350 lbs im not sure I should even attempt it, I am 190 lbs what's your
>thoughts on giving a heavy guy a ride?
>the most I have had with me is 250 lbs and 20 gallons fuel
It's your plane... what do the weight and balance limits say?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
At 07:19 PM 2/9/2011, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote:
>speaking of passengers I have a friend that wants a ride in my MK3c and he
>is 350 lbs im not sure I should even attempt it, I am 190 lbs what's your
>thoughts on giving a heavy guy a ride?
>the most I have had with me is 250 lbs and 20 gallons fuel
It's your plane... what do the weight and balance limits say?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
speaking of passengers I have a friend that wants a ride in my MK3c and
he is 350 lbs im not sure I should even attempt it, I am 190 lbs what's
your thoughts on giving a heavy guy a ride?
the most I have had with me is 250 lbs and 20 gallons fuel
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
what does your plane weigh,,
say 600 +you at 190 say 5 gal fuel. +30 you are up to 820 lb..
if you have 1000 lb gross,,, minus 820 leaves 180 pound passenger,
you are up to gross wt.. maybe your plane weighs less or you could
takeoff with less fuel...
my .02 worth
boyd young
mkiii
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
I calculated and if I only used 3 gallons fuel ( A short Flight ) I woul
d still be in the W&B window but I have never flown with that much weight
in the MK3C
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 9, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Passengers
speaking of passengers I have a friend that wants a ride in my MK3c and he
is 350 lbs im not sure I should even attempt it, I am 190 lbs what's you
r thoughts on giving a heavy guy a ride?
the most I have had with me is 250 lbs and 20 gallons fuel
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
what does your plane weigh,,
say 600 +you at 190 say 5 gal fuel. +30 you are up to 820 lb.. if
you have 1000 lb gross,,, minus 820 leaves 180 pound passenger, you
are up to gross wt.. maybe your plane weighs less or you could takeoff
with less fuel...
my .02 worth
boyd young
mkiii
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Mike,
The FireFly does not have a hoop, but it is very easy to put on it's nose.
I have had it on it's nose several times. The first nose over can when
making my first flight from grass. This was followed by trying to taxi
across a wet soft grass field. My wife got me some red colored Duct Tape,
and that is what holds the bottom front of the nose cone together.
To keep from repeating the nose over, I chocked the main gear and tied a
ground loop over the tail boom just a head of the vertical fin. Then I
started the engine, climbed in and slowly advanced the throttle to see when
the tail would lift off the ground. This gives me the maximum initial
throttle opening for the take off roll.
Your problem is a little more difficult, in that, you can carry a passenger,
etc, but if you load up the passenger seat and test with a low fuel load
should give you a workable rpm number.
The snow and ice and ice and snow continue.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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> The snow and ice and ice and snow continue.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester=2C IN
Hi Jack=2C
Thanks to you=2C and all the other Kolb guys that contributed to my
question about the need for a nose hoop=2C especially the guys that
emailed me directly=2C and really offered their experiences and some
advice. All of you have been very helpful. : )
Is it just me=2C or does this seem like a heckava winter!!! We got
about 20" of snow from that blizzard last week=2C plus another 3" today.
That strikes me as a lot.....for Missouri!!!
It's darn near impossible to get a decent work-day done on my MkIII.
I have turned the heatpump on in my shop=2C but then my electric bill
skyrockets through the roof!!!
I'm dreaming of the warmer weather=2C hopefully it will get here soon.
They're talking about highs in the mid 50's this weekend. Yay!! That
ought to put a dent in this dopey snow!
C'mon springtime!!!
Mike W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2011 |
john , Glad to hear that you will be there ! Hope we can afford the trip hope to
see you there . Chris&BeckyChris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
----- Original Message ----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 9:58:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2011
I'll probably fly down with the the Waiex (boo...hisss, I know...
[Embarassed] )
After making the 7+45 hour flight (one-way) three times I look forward to
making it in 2+45.
See you there...!
Kip
Kip/Kolbers:
Looking forward to seeing you and the rest of the Kolbers at Lakeland.
Kolb Aircraft has invited Miss P'fer, my MKIII, to spend the week with them
as part of their display. Nothing new for her. She is 20 years old, faded
paint, rock and gravel damage, but she still flies great. Unfortunately,
her pilot doesn't look any better than she does.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
Run a W & B and you will find out. Assuming that your W & B says it's ok - bear
in mind that with full flaps and a forward CG, the MKIII runs out of elevator
authority in a hurry in that situation, so NO FLAPS.
Even if the numbers come out right, I would add a strip of tape to the gap between
the elevator and stab, and land w/o flaps, and keep the airspeed to 60 or
65 on final. With a LONG runway...
Or just say no. (How would a 350 pound person even fit? That is going to foul your
elevator push rod. Not to mention getting them back out of the bucket after
the flight is over. Unless they are unusually agile for that weight, you are
going to do some serious pulling and tugging)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
speaking of passengers I have a friend that wants a ride in my MK3c and he
is 350 lbs
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
Ellery B/Kolbers:
Sometimes, especially at Oshkosh and S&F, flying for Kolb Aircraft, we
pushed the limits in order to satisfy customers and bosses. The largest guy
I ever got off the ground in the factory MKIII was a lopper. That means he
lopped over the aileron torque tube between the pilot and passenger. It
takes a big guy or gal to be a lopper, probably over 300 lbs. On take off
to the north out of the UL strip at Oshkosh, it was up hill with a 90 deg
brisk cross wind. I had everything working against me to include my
decision to fly this guy. Finally broke ground about midfield. Soon as we
got airborne the MKIII began drifting right towards the fence and spectator
bleachers. I had full left stick and it was still trying to roll and drift
right. A quick prayer and some luck, it slowly started to roll left and
away from the fence before I hit it. I was able to climb out between and
over the trees at the north end. Flew the traffic pattern at full throttle.
Shot my approach at 75 mph. Did not chop power until the mains touched
down.
The only thing that flight proved was I had made a very stupid, dangerous
decision that could have turned deadly. Sometimes it is hard to say no.
After that incident, I never had a problem turning down a passenger when I
felt the least bit unsure of a safe flight. Since then I have aborted
flights on take off at S&F with extra heavy passengers. Didn't hurt a thing
and the passengers were very happy that I made the decision when I sat them
down and explained my actions.
There's a lot of difference in handling and performance between solo and
flying a normal category passenger. Takes a lot more up elevator trim.
With no up elevator trim there are heavy nose down stick forces. This
situation plays hell with low time MKIII pilots, and is not much fun for
those with lots of experience.
Don't make the same poor decision I did. You may not be as lucky.
350 lbs!!! I wouldn't even talk about flying with him.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
I calculated and if I only used 3 gallons fuel ( A short Flight ) I would
still be in the W&B window but I have never flown with that much weight in
the MK3C
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
Ellery B/Kolbers:
My max gross is 1,200 lbs. When I make a serious, long cross country, my
take off weight is approximately 1,200 lbs. However, my fuel and most cargo
is behind the bulkhead and I don't have 350 lbs in the front seat beside me.
I have never been able to make the W&B on a MKIII work out for me on paper.
Through experiementation and experience I know how much weight and where it
will fly safely with a very wide margin. If I am going to push the fore or
aft limit, I will push the aft limit. I can't prove that on paper, but I
can in the air. Remember, that is the way I do it. I do not recommend that
anyone else fly their Kolb that way.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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