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1. 05:37 AM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Thom Riddle)
2. 07:36 AM - registering an experimental aircraft (Mike Welch)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (Mike Welch)
4. 08:46 AM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (John Hauck)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (fducker@aol.com)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (frank goodnight)
7. 08:54 AM - Re: Heavy Passengers (Ralph B)
8. 08:54 AM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (Frankd)
9. 09:14 AM - Registering an aircraft (Richard Girard)
10. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: registering an experimental aircraft (Mike Welch)
11. 12:30 PM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (ces308)
12. 12:55 PM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (b young)
13. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: registering an experimental aircraft (John Hauck)
14. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: registering an experimental aircraft (Mike Welch)
15. 03:25 PM - Re: registering an experimental aircraft (Frankd)
16. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: registering an experimental aircraft (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
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Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
..."During one test of the rear CG limit, John stalled the Kolbra to discover it
would not recover from the stall. Full power was required to get out of the
stall and fly again..."
John,
You just pointed out one of the very few, if not the only, real advantages of high
thrust line aircraft like our Kolbs. Other aircraft with "normal" thrust lines
may not have been able to recover from this condition.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful.
Ann Landers
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Subject: | registering an experimental aircraft |
Kolb guys=2C
I am nearing the final stages of building my MkIII=2C or at least I can s
ee light
at the end of the tunnel. If I were to 'guess' at this point when I think
I may be
finished=2C I'd say around May. (one things for sure=2C I can get more don
e when the
temos warm up!! Supposed to be upper 50s today...woo hoo!!)
Back to my point. I have just gone to the EAA "OSHKOSH 365" for members
=2C
and read their directions for registering an experimental aircraft.
First question=3B Has anyone bought their "$12.99 forms/instructions kit
"=2C and found
it not worth the money......or is it a pretty good deal?
The reason I ask is because they do list all the forms=2C etc=2C online
=2C and give a brief
synopsis of the steps involved. They even provide links to all the referen
ced forms
so a guy could print them. Any thoughts on their kit?
Since I have never gone through this process=2C I have very little idea o
f what
to expect. I have plenty and sufficient=3B photos=2C receipts=2C logs=2C
parts brochures=2C etc.
I think I have this part covered fairly well. Of course=2C I will have the
W&B and
Aircraft Limitations already filled out.
Does anyone have a sample of their "OPERATOR LIMITATIONS" handbook they
are proud of=2C and wouldn't mind sharing a copy of??
From your experience=2C what are the types of things a DAR is going to lo
ok for?
Will he be mostly concerned with documentation=2C or will he be focused on
the
airplane itself? Or both??
Do you have any recommendations=2C so I can save myself the added expense
of
a second trip for him?
Like I said=2C I'm beginning the initial stages of registration. All adv
ice and pointers are
greatly appreciated.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | registering an experimental aircraft |
Kolb guys=2C
when the 'temps' warm up. I'm not sure what a temo is.
M
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Like I said, I'm beginning the initial stages of registration. All advice
and pointers are
greatly appreciated.
Mike Welch
Call your nearest FSDO. Get them to send you a packet for registration and
inspection of your homebuilt.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Hi Mike/Gang.
I just got my Airworthyness Cert last week.
I did all my registration paperwork using the KOLB instructions and sending
all that off to the FAA before I got the EAA package.
That part is straightforward and you just need the correct documents and ma
il it all off. Don't forget to get correct notarization.
The EAA package is worth it , IMHO, because they give you the stickers you
need. and its all very clear. I only got one "EXPERIMENTAL" sticker but wan
ted two, so got some more from Aircraft Spruce. They even send you a firep
roof plate to attach to the tail after you get it engraved.
All the rest to label the cockpit was in the package.
I got in touch with the Local EAA chapter and got a volunteer to come and d
o an inspection of my plane, boy was I surprised at all the stuff he "Sugg
ested" I change.. mostly making sure bolts and nuts were put on correctly a
nd had two treads showing on locknuts. This cost me lunch..Good deal.
I would highly recommend this step.
This REALLY helped. Then I called the FSDO and they said use a DAR. I cal
led the DAR and he quoted $500 to come do the airworthyness check, but he
would also do a thorough inspection.,. (But Expensive!!)
I got back in touch with the FSDO after talking to my local flight school a
nd getting a contact they deal with, and got a schedule for an inspection
within a week... Great.
They came and took a look at the aircraft, asked a few questions and then w
e sat down and went thru the paperwork for the Airworthyness.. and that wa
s it... Cost = Taxes $0. = Cool.
The contents of the EAA package were complete and the FSDO folks liked what
they saw. I'm sure it would work for a DAR too.
Good luck,
frankD
M3X, N1014S.
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 13, 2011 8:08 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: registering an experimental aircraft
Kolb guys,
when the 'temps' warm up. I'm not sure what a temo is.
M
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
The $ 12.99 was, for me money well spent.- My DAR was mostly interested i
n =0Apaperwork.=0AFor what it's worth=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0AFrom: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, February 13, 2011 9:25:14 AM=0ASubject: Kolb
-List: registering an experimental aircraft=0A=0AKolb guys,=0A-=0A- I a
m nearing the final stages of building my MkIII, or at least I can see =0Al
ight=0Aat the end of the tunnel.- If I were to 'guess' at this point when
I think I may =0Abe =0A=0Afinished, I'd say around May.- (one things for
sure, I can get more done when =0Athe =0A=0Atemos warm up!!- Supposed to
be upper 50s today...woo hoo!!)=0A-=0A- Back to my point.-- I have
just gone to the EAA "OSHKOSH 365" for members, =0Aand read their directio
ns for registering an experimental aircraft.=0A-=0A- First question;-
Has anyone bought their "$12.99 forms/instructions kit", and =0Afound =0A
=0Ait not worth the money......or is it a pretty good deal?-- =0A- Th
e reason I ask is because they do list all the forms, etc, online, -and g
ive =0Aa brief =0A=0Asynopsis-of the steps involved.- They even provide
links to all the-referenced =0Aforms =0A=0Aso a guy could print them.-
------Any thoughts on their kit?=0A-=0A- Since I have never
gone through this process, I have very little idea-of what=0Ato expect.
-- I have plenty and sufficient; photos, receipts, logs, parts =0Abroch
ures, etc.=0AI think I have this part covered fairly well.- Of course, I
will have the W&B =0Aand=0AAircraft Limitations already filled out.=0A- D
oes anyone have a sample of their "OPERATOR LIMITATIONS" handbook they=0Aar
e proud of, and wouldn't mind sharing a copy of??=0A-=0A- From your exp
erience, what are the types of things a DAR is going to look for?=0AWill he
be mostly concerned with documentation, or will he be focused on the=0Aair
plane itself?- Or both??=0A- Do you have any recommendations, so I can
save myself the added expense of =0Aa second trip for him?=0A-=0A- Like
I said, I'm-beginning the-initial stages of registration.- All advic
e and =0Apointers are =0A=0Agreatly appreciated.=0A-=0AMike Welch=0AMkIII
============== =0A
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Subject: | Re: Heavy Passengers |
I hope this fellow doesn't mind me using his picture to show for weight and balance
purposes. He would be the limit on passenger weight I would take in my Kolbra.
On takeoff with the 80hp 912, it climbed ever so slow. I let him have the
stick after reaching altitude and we flew for about 15 minutes. I brought him
back to the airport and came in hotter than usual to make a very smooth landing.
He was impressed and it was a good day. The weight and balance states that
I can take no more than 250 lbs in passenger weight with a full tank of fuel.
I feel more comfortable with 200 lbs or less. He was well over 200 lbs and over
6 feet. I'm at 200 lbs and my wife is a 200 lb lady, so I got used to carrying
heavy loads.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
24 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
3 years flying it
150 hrs
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Hi Mike/Gang.
I just got my Airworthyness Cert last week.
I did all my registration paperwork using the KOLB instructions and sending all
that off to the FAA before I got the EAA package.
That part is straightforward and you just need the correct documents and mail it
all off. Don't forget to get correct notarization.
The EAA package is worth it , IMHO, because they give you the stickers you need.
and its all very clear. I only got one "EXPERIMENTAL" sticker but wanted two,
so got some more from Aircraft Spruce. They even send you a fireproof plate
to attach to the tail after you get it engraved.
All the rest to label the cockpit was in the package.
I got in touch with the Local EAA chapter and got a volunteer to come and do an
inspection of my plane, boy was I surprised at all the stuff he "Suggested"
I change.. mostly making sure bolts and nuts were put on correctly and had two
treads showing on locknuts. This cost me lunch..Good deal.
I would highly recommend this step.
This REALLY helped. Then I called the FSDO and they said use a DAR. I called
the DAR and he quoted $500 to come do the airworthyness check, but he would also
do a thorough inspection.,. (But Expensive!!)
I got back in touch with the FSDO after talking to my local flight school and getting
a contact they deal with, and got a schedule for an inspection within
a week... Great.
They came and took a look at the aircraft, asked a few questions and then we sat
down and went thru the paperwork for the Airworthyness.. and that was it...
Cost = Taxes $0. = Cool.
The contents of the EAA package were complete and the FSDO folks liked what they
saw. I'm sure it would work for a DAR too.
Good luck,
frankD
M3X, N1014S.
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Subject: | Registering an aircraft |
No matter FSDO or DAR, make sure you get your repairman's certificate for
the aircraft. Without it you'll be paying an A & P for an annual conditional
inspection every 12 months. Some do it without being asked, some don't. Just
be sure you get it.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Frank=2C
Thank you for that very informative=2C and up-to-date response!! I'll pr
int
it out and make sure I have all the bases covered you suggested. Excellent
detail
of what I'm about to go through. Thanks!
Rick=2C
Yeah=2C re=3B the repairman's certificate. That's a biggie for me. I sa
w the
form and it is one of my "favorites". Thanks for the reminder!!
John H=2C
I did contact my FSDO a couple of years ago=2C and had then send me some
of the necessary registration forms=2C but it's been so long=2C I can't rem
ember
exactly what the guy sent. (I'll bet it didn't include the rep'r certifica
te form).
I wanted to know if spending the money on the EAA kit was worth it. (but it
looks
like I have this part covered thanks to Mike S)
I think rounding up all the right forms is one of the easier parts of the
process.
Like I said=2C the EAA membership can download all the forms from their onl
ine
tutorial. If I can do that=2C I will=2C otherwise I will get ahold of my a
rea FSDO=2C
like you suggested. Thanks!!!
Mike Sharp=2C
Mike Sharp had purchased the EAA registration kit=2C and has sent me a co
py
of the booklet. All I need now are the actual forms. Thanks=2C Mike!!! Th
e only thing
I don't get is the 'experimental' stickers=2C or the engraveable plate. No
problem on
those=2C I know they are obtainable elsewhere.
All=2C
I appreciate everyone's help. Thanks a bunch!!
I have one more question regarding DAR's and FSDO inspectors. Do I have
to
find a DAR AND also a FSDO inspector? Can just the FSDO guy do the job??
There's not likely going to be even a DAR near me. I'll probably have to r
un the plane
up to K.C. or St Louis.=2C or does the FSDO guy come to me if I ask him to?
Mike Welch
MkIII installing the ELT
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Mike...
check with FSDO on your repairman's cert too...Here in Michigan, you had to do
it on line and they gave you a number for one of the FSDO guys to look over then
I had to bring my build book,and all paperwork for them to go over,then we
both sat at the computer and filled out the rest of the forms...Whew !! an
hour and a half later I had my temporary cert. It's not like it used to be ,so
make sure you check !
Good luck!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Back to my point. I have just gone to the EAA "OSHKOSH 365" for
members,
and read their directions for registering an experimental aircraft.
First question; Has anyone bought their "$12.99 forms/instructions
kit", and found
it not worth the money......or is it a pretty good deal?
Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I called the fsdo and they sent all the papers for free!!!
the faa inspector also came for free... he wanted to see the log,,,,
I told him I did not write down what I did every time I went into the
garage... but showed him a photo log.. which he accepted. then he
went over the plane with a coarse tooth comb. he made a few
recommendations, which I did, called him on the phone and told him I
was complete with his list, then he sent the paperwork without an
additional inspection.
boyd young
mkiii
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
I did contact my FSDO a couple of years ago, and had then send me some
of the necessary registration forms, but it's been so long, I can't remember
exactly what the guy sent. (I'll bet it didn't include the rep'r
certificate form).
I wanted to know if spending the money on the EAA kit was worth it. (but it
looks
like I have this part covered thanks to Mike S)
Mike W/Kolbers:
The Birmingham FSDO will send you a packet, as I mentioned in my previous.
This packet will consist of all necessary instructions and forms to prepare
for your upcoming aircraft inspection and air worthiness certificate.
I can not vouch for other FSDO's, but I would think they would also offer a
similar packet for homebuilt/experiemental aircraft. May have to ask them.
Never know when you might be talking to a newbie that does not know about
the packet.
It worked for me in 1991, bet it will still work.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
> The Birmingham FSDO will send you a packet=2C as I mentioned in my previo
us.
> This packet will consist of all necessary instructions and forms to prepa
re
> for your upcoming aircraft inspection and air worthiness certificate.
> john h
Hi John=2C
Yep=2C that's what I'm gonna do=2C first thing tomorrow morning. I need
to do this
to get the forms=2C and maybe find out how my local FSDO handles experiment
al
registrations. While I have them on the phone=2C I can find out about an i
nspector=2C
repairmen's certificate like Chris & Rick mentioned=2C ...lots of things.
I hope things go as smoothly as what Boyd went through. I do want someon
e to
go over my plane with a fine tooth comb=2C but I don't want someone who thi
nks he
hasn't done his job unless he finds a boatload of things to re-do.
I don't even mind re-doing things=2C providing changing them actually imp
roves
something.
Thanks=2C Mike W
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Hi Mike,
Regarding my local FSDO, San Jose, Ca. they used to be open to walk-ins, now
the door is locked and you have to schedule a visit by phone.
The reply I first got when I called was " We don't have the manpower to do air
worthyness inspections, go see a DAR!" OK.
It took me awhile to find a cooperative person and they came to where the plane
was hangered, 42 miles from the office.. No charge.
The DAR would have come to the plane too but would have charged $100 for travel.
I guess that manpower scheduling is an issue and that cutbacks are part of the
FSDO around here. I hope you have an easier time.
I asked about the repairman cert and was told to fly off the 40Hrs first and then
apply, so I don't believe you have to hurry about that, but its a good thing
to have.
One document I got from the FSDO years ago (When the doors were open) is the Advisory
Circular "Amateur-built aircraft and ultralight flight testing handbook"
AC No:- 90-89A.
Its full of advise on preparing for test flight, and its my bible right now.
Have fun
FrankD
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Subject: | Re: registering an experimental aircraft |
Mike the kit is well worth the price but dont expect to get the FAA to be
there in a week I have waited
as long as a month for them to arrive on some of the airplanes I have buil
t
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 13, 2011 6:00 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: registering an experimental aircraft
> The Birmingham FSDO will send you a packet, as I mentioned in my previou
s.
> This packet will consist of all necessary instructions and forms to prep
are
> for your upcoming aircraft inspection and air worthiness certificate.
> john h
Hi John,
Yep, that's what I'm gonna do, first thing tomorrow morning. I need to
do this
to get the forms, and maybe find out how my local FSDO handles experimenta
l
registrations. While I have them on the phone, I can find out about an in
spector,
repairmen's certificate like Chris & Rick mentioned, ...lots of things.
I hope things go as smoothly as what Boyd went through. I do want someo
ne to
go over my plane with a fine tooth comb, but I don't want someone who thin
ks he
hasn't done his job unless he finds a boatload of things to re-do.
I don't even mind re-doing things, providing changing them actually impr
oves
something.
Thanks, Mike W
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