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Wed 02/16/11


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 08:09 AM - landing gear toe in - out (b young)
     2. 08:35 AM - Re: landing gear toe in - out (John Hauck)
     3. 09:16 AM - Re: landing gear toe in - out (Ralph B)
     4. 09:24 AM - Re: landing gear toe in - out (b young)
     5. 09:38 AM - Re: landing gear toe in - out (Ralph B)
     6. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: landing gear toe in - out (b young)
     7. 11:11 AM - South Florida Flyers (Rick Neilsen)
     8. 11:13 AM - Re: landing gear toe in - out (Rick Neilsen)
     9. 11:17 AM - New Videos to watch.... (ces308)
    10. 11:25 AM - Re: South Florida Flyers (gotime242)
    11. 11:59 AM - Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (mark rinehart)
    12. 02:03 PM - Re: landing gear toe in - out (b young)
    13. 02:06 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (b young)
    14. 02:08 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (Richard Pike)
    15. 03:05 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (John Hauck)
    16. 03:46 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (Larry Cottrell)
    17. 03:56 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (John Hauck)
    18. 04:15 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
    19. 04:53 PM - Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 (Larry Cottrell)
    20. 08:35 PM - Re: New Videos to watch.... (Ralph B)
    21. 09:06 PM - Re: New Videos to watch.... (ces308)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:09:09 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: landing gear toe in - out
    OOOOOKKKKKK i need to apologize to the list... in the past the question has come up as to what the value of toe in - out was necessary. many on the list have said you need some toe in,, and my response has always been copied from the kolb builders manual. which states in short, neutral, if you have to err, err on the side of toe out. from my experience this week that is wrong. toe in is needed,, but how much is still evading me. while driving the kolb around on snow and ice,, i would notice that when 1 tire was on a slick spot and the other on dry surface, my mkiii would jump in the direction of the tire on the ice, now i had believed my gear to be quite neutral when i last visited the subject 9 years ago.... but this experience convinced me i was toe in by quite a bit. and more sophisticated measurements has confirmed that. now i am using the solid tapered steel legs i bought from kolb. and the camber has always been off since i installed them new, so i have decided to do something about it. so i did some work on the calculator to decide how much i wanted to bend the gear legs down to correct the camber, then how much i wanted to bend the gear back to eliminate the toe in,, figured the angles to do both with 1 bend. after bending the camber is perfect, and i left a tiny bit of toe in, and figured before i tried bending more i would try it. it felt as if i was driving down the railroad track on the railroad ties. it was near impossible to look out the windows to see and keep things straight down the runway,,, but what i think was happening is the rolling resistance would flex the gear backwards, till i was in a toe out position,,, that would increase the rolling resistance, bend back more till the wheel would loose traction then the gear would spring forward, the wheel would slide, skip, roll, bounce, all at the same time and do it at 30 times a second. or there about. long story, but i will start bending some toe in back in the gear, bit by bit,, and keep trying till i get a smooth roll out. in the past if i inflated my tires to 15 lb or so, it could get a bit darty, but if i kept the tire pressure at 8 psi or so, there would be enough flex in the side walls to roll correct. so i will be doing the test with 15 psi in the tires and try and get the toe in so that when the gear flexes back, the tires will be tracking true. so i am thinking my final be will be back near where i started. when i come up with some final answers i will post to the list... one last thought, when i had the alum, gear legs it seems that they flexed less than the spring steel legs. so my results may not fit everyone's needs. but my lessons and experience may help. boyd young mkiii utah.


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    Time: 08:35:43 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    when i come up with some final answers i will post to the list... one last thought, when i had the alum, gear legs it seems that they flexed less than the spring steel legs. so my results may not fit everyone's needs. but my lessons and experience may help. boyd young Boyd Y/Kolber: I always use a lot of camber and a tad of toe in. Heat treated (48rc) 4130 gear legs are more flexible in all directions than 7075 aluminum legs, especially the extra long legs on the stock MKIII. Braking will cause the main gear to toe out. Toe out spreads the gear legs and reduces camber. My gear legs are 24" total with 18" outside the gear leg sockets. Don't get near the flex with the short stubby legs. john h Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 09:16:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    From: "Ralph B" <rstar447@gmail.com>
    Boyd, The gear is toed in slightly on both my Firestar and Kolbra. It taxies fine on both aircraft and have not noticed the type of problem you are seeing. When either aircraft is picked up by the tail and moved backwards, the gear spreads out and it looks like I had a very hard landing. I will usually put my back to the cockpit and lift underneath with my hands. This will spring the gear back to their original position to make it look like it's not spread out like that. If one side is not sprung back, it can make your wings look like they are not level even if it's sitting on level ground. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 3 years flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331231#331231


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    Time: 09:24:35 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    I always use a lot of camber and a tad of toe in. john h Titus, Alabama >>>>>>>>> john and kolbers been doing a lot of investigating the last couple days... it seems the best i have learned about camber,,, it that it should be positive, on an empty plane,,, but when the plane is loaded to grose wt,, they should be netural. i guess the book furtherer clairified that they should be netural at the normal loading of the plane,,, example,, if you normaly fly at 80 % gr, wt. then you should set it at netural at that wt.... if occasional you are at 60 or 100 % you would be only slightly pos, or neg, camber. this will maximize the tire wear. likewise the 'toe in' should be equal to the amount the wheel pulls back due to the rolling resistance,, which will vary depending on the flex for and aft in the gear leg, and the loading of the plane. kind of hard to measure at 50 mph... guess you go by feel at that point.. everything else is just a starting point. trouble in a kolb,,, once it is set,,, its kind of hard to change. boyd young mkiii utah


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    Time: 09:38:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    From: "Ralph B" <rstar447@gmail.com>
    > kind of hard to measure at 50 mph... guess you go by feel at that point.. everything else is just a starting point. trouble in a kolb,,, once it is set,,, its kind of hard to change. > > boyd young > mkiii utah This obviously is one of the shortcomings of Kolb aircraft. It's a guessing game on toe-in. What I did for the Firestar is to adjust it to neutral to begin with and then equally toe in on both sides. With the aluminum gear, it tends to toe out quite a bit with added weight. Once the gear leg hole is drilled, there's no re-drilling, unless you get another gear leg. One advantage to this type of gear, is that it can be removed easily. That's got to be a big plus. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 3 years flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331234#331234


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    Time: 10:09:42 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    Boyd, The gear is toed in slightly on both my Firestar and Kolbra. It taxies fine on both aircraft and have not noticed the type of problem you are seeing. When either aircraft is picked up by the tail and moved backwards, the gear spreads out and it looks like I had a very hard landing. I will usually put my back to the cockpit and lift underneath with my hands. This will spring the gear back to their original position to make it look like it's not spread out like that. If one side is not sprung back, it can make your wings look like they are not level even if it's sitting on level ground. Ralph B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what type of gear legs do you have? other than my camber being way off... it drove ok before i started.. except when i was on ice. i may end back wher i started with toe in. wish now i had only adjusted camber. hind sight. i am getting too soon old and too late smart boyd


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    Time: 11:11:17 AM PST US
    Subject: South Florida Flyers
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Hey South Florida Flyers or any one that wants to fly in somewhere in Florida some morning. I don't have my Kolb down here this winter but I'm renting a SportCruiser out of Charlotte county and I can meet most any where. How about it? Gary A, Buford, George A, and anyone else want to meet some where? I have a plane available (right now) this Saturday 2/19/ 11 AM we could meet at Arcadia or Wauchula. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC


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    Time: 11:13:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Boyd It sounds like I have the same solid steel gear legs. I really like the gear but don't like the look of negative camber. Where/how did you bend the gear and did you remove the gear to bend it? I clamped a staight 2X4 between both axles notched for the brake attachment while installing my gear legs so I think they are neutral. But they flex under load so much that things could change. Keep us posted Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:03 AM, b young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote: > OOOOOKKKKKK > > i need to apologize to the list... in the past the question has come up as > to what the value of toe in - out was necessary. many on the list have said > you need some toe in,, and my response has always been copied from the kolb > builders manual. which states in short, neutral, if you have to err, err on > the side of toe out. from my experience this week that is wrong. toe > in is needed,, but how much is still evading me. > > while driving the kolb around on snow and ice,, i would notice that when 1 > tire was on a slick spot and the other on dry surface, my mkiii would jump > in the direction of the tire on the ice, now i had believed my gear to be > quite neutral when i last visited the subject 9 years ago.... but this > experience convinced me i was toe in by quite a bit. and more sophisticated > measurements has confirmed that. now i am using the solid tapered steel > legs i bought from kolb. and the camber has always been off since i > installed them new, so i have decided to do something about it. so i did > some work on the calculator to decide how much i wanted to bend the gear > legs down to correct the camber, then how much i wanted to bend the gear > back to eliminate the toe in,, figured the angles to do both with 1 > bend. after bending the camber is perfect, and i left a tiny bit of toe > in, and figured before i tried bending more i would try it. it felt as > if i was driving down the railroad track on the railroad ties. it was near > impossible to look out the windows to see and keep things straight down the > runway,,, but what i think was happening is the rolling resistance would > flex the gear backwards, till i was in a toe out position,,, that would > increase the rolling resistance, bend back more till the wheel would loose > traction then the gear would spring forward, the wheel would slide, skip, > roll, bounce, all at the same time and do it at 30 times a second. or there > about. > > long story, but i will start bending some toe in back in the gear, bit > by bit,, and keep trying till i get a smooth roll out. in the past if i > inflated my tires to 15 lb or so, it could get a bit darty, but if i kept > the tire pressure at 8 psi or so, there would be enough flex in the side > walls to roll correct. so i will be doing the test with 15 psi in the > tires and try and get the toe in so that when the gear flexes back, the > tires will be tracking true. so i am thinking my final be will be back near > where i started. > > when i come up with some final answers i will post to the list... one > last thought, when i had the alum, gear legs it seems that they flexed less > than the spring steel legs. so my results may not fit everyone's needs. > but my lessons and experience may help. > > boyd young > mkiii utah. > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 11:17:01 AM PST US
    Subject: New Videos to watch....
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Hi All! Took these yesterday...first will be the flight...second will be us digging out the plane after it fell through the crusty snow....third is taxiing out of the mess....and forth is of the well jacks I made to get the plane in and out of the hangar.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM3zDj729Wc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BiwRQX6VfY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYpzzN64nE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNfz07uUfwM chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331239#331239


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    Time: 11:25:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: South Florida Flyers
    From: "gotime242" <dylanshine@gmail.com>
    I fly out of Lantana Airport in west palm beach and have been considering heading to okeechobee airport one of these days... Here are some other florida flyers: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=55393&highlight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331249#331249


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    Time: 11:59:59 AM PST US
    From: mark rinehart <capt_riney@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    I'm wanting to create a grass strip for my Mark3 on a farm my brother owns in central Indiana. How much runway do I need assuming clear approaches (no obstacles) at both ends. This is all level land and is currently being farmed in corn or beans. Thanks. Mark Rinehart Indy Kolb Mark3 N68MR


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    Time: 02:03:29 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: landing gear toe in - out
    Boyd It sounds like I have the same solid steel gear legs. I really like the gear but don't like the look of negative camber. Where/how did you bend the gear and did you remove the gear to bend it? I clamped a staight 2X4 between both axles notched for the brake attachment while installing my gear legs so I think they are neutral. But they flex under load so much that things could change. Keep us posted Rick Neilsen >>>>>>>> Rick yes i had to remove the gear,,, my son bought a pipe bender that goes up to 2 inch,, the bending was easy,, but wish i had left toe in alone and only did the camber. b oyd


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    Time: 02:06:47 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    I'm wanting to create a grass strip for my Mark3 on a farm my brother owns in central Indiana. How much runway do I need assuming clear approaches (no obstacles) at both ends. This is all level land and is currently being farmed in corn or beans. Thanks. Mark Rinehart Indy Kolb Mark3 N68MR >>>>>>>>>>>> with good skills and lo altitude,, 600 ft seems to work for some,,, less skills and higher altitude = longer. mark it out on the runway you are using now and compare, your mileage may vary. boyd young mkiii


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    Time: 02:08:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    A friend of mine has a level strip with good approaches in both directions that is exactly 1,000' long, and when I have a passenger and it is hot, I wouldn't want any less. What works when things are optimum is not what you want on those occasions when things are less than ideal. If you can come up with 1,200' - take all of it. My home field (3TN0) is 750' long, but it has a good slope to it, takeoff is downhill into the prevailing wind and landing is uphill, and a sloped runway makes a huge difference. I wouldn't want any less, because every once in a while I use most all of it. Not all landings turn out the way you plan, and once I touch down, (headed uphill towards the neighbor's house and trees) there is no go-around. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331273#331273


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    Time: 03:05:20 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    How much runway do I need assuming clear approaches (no obstacles) at both ends. Mark Rinehart Mark R/Gang: Gantt International Airport is 750 feet useable. Approaches aren't all that clear. Plenty room for me and my mkIII. I also fly passengers out of Gantt, which is a cow pasture. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 03:46:21 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    Mark, I would consider John's 750 feet, a bare minimum, get more if you can. Keep in mind that John is a much better pilot than most of us. The only time the runway is too long is when you have to push the plane. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 How much runway do I need assuming clear approaches (no obstacles) at both ends. Mark Rinehart Mark R/Gang: Gantt International Airport is 750 feet useable. Approaches aren't all that clear. Plenty room for me and my mkIII. I also fly passengers out of Gantt, which is a cow pasture. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 03:56:33 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    I would consider John's 750 feet, a bare minimum, get more if you can. Keep in mind that John is a much better pilot than most of us. The only time the runway is too long is when you have to push the plane. Larry Larry/Kolbers: I beg to disagree. Gantt International was 600 feet when I made my first solo flight in a fixed wing aircraft, the Ultrastar I built in 1984. Of course, I crashed on my first landing, but two weeks later armed with new main gear, nose, and prop, I learned to land on my second ever attempt. That was without brakes too. I'd have a longer strip if I could. Get all you can get while you can. Larry is used to flying off his own 2,600 foot gravel strip with no trees in his part of the State of Oregon. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 04:15:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    Take all that is available you will be coming up with friends that can not use a kolb strip Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: mark rinehart <capt_riney@yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 2:18 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 I'm wanting to create a grass strip for my Mark3 on a farm my brother owns in entral Indiana. How much runway do I need assuming clear approaches (no bstacles) at both ends. This is all level land and is currently being far med n corn or beans. Thanks. Mark Rinehart ndy Kolb Mark3 N68MR ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 04:53:46 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3
    I am not sure which part John is disagreeing with, but I am used to it. :-) I didn't always fly where there were no trees. My last runway before this one was about 400 feet. I had to touch down under power lines, the small ones, and there was a wall of Ponderosa trees that I was landing up against. I did it, didn't like it! You just had to get it right, every time. It was always exciting. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Runway Lenght for Kolb M3 I beg to disagree. Gantt International was 600 feet when I made my first solo flight in a fixed wing aircraft, the Ultrastar I built in 1984. Of course, I crashed on my first landing, but two weeks later armed with new main gear, nose, and prop, I learned to land on my second ever attempt. That was without brakes too. I'd have a longer strip if I could. Get all you can get while you can. Larry is used to flying off his own 2,600 foot gravel strip with no trees in his part of the State of Oregon. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 08:35:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Videos to watch....
    From: "Ralph B" <rstar447@gmail.com>
    Chris, good videos. You could have plowed through that snow if the skis were waxed. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 3 years flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331309#331309


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    Time: 09:06:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Videos to watch....
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Ralph, The snow was to deep and packed and frozen...once it broke through,it was all done...I have Lexan on the bottom of the skis and it really works good ! The first flight with the skis was without the Lexan and there was still some grass showing...maybe an inch or 2 of snow and I could feel the drag on the skis...next day I put the Lexan on the bottoms and holy cow...what a difference ! I had to be careful with the throttle coming up to the hangar it was so slippery! chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331312#331312




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