---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/21/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:01 AM - Just for Beaux in Louisiana (John Bickham) 2. 05:27 AM - Re: The winter fly-in experience (Thom Riddle) 3. 07:08 AM - posting (don blackstone) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: South Florida Flyers (Rick Neilsen) 5. 09:06 AM - Firestar kit for sale. (Jerry Deckard) 6. 09:26 AM - Warp Drive Prop Failure? (John Hauck) 7. 09:44 AM - Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (Daniel Myers) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: The winter fly-in experience (Ralph B) 9. 10:40 AM - Re: South Florida Flyers (zeprep251@aol.com) 10. 10:45 AM - Re: posting (zeprep251@aol.com) 11. 10:57 AM - Re: The winter fly-in experience (Thom Riddle) 12. 11:13 AM - Re: The winter fly-in experience (Ralph B) 13. 11:54 AM - Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (Ron @ KFHU) 14. 03:22 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (Richard Pike) 15. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (John Hauck) 16. 05:03 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (Richard Pike) 17. 05:35 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (Charlie England) 18. 05:45 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? (Ellery Batchelder Jr) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Just for Beaux in Louisiana From: "John Bickham" Sorry list, I'm starting to understand aging more better. This is an APB for Beaux in Louisiana (Clinton?). Travis had given you my name as a local Kolb contact. Sorry, but I misplaced your phone number. Flew Mark IIIC yesterday. Call me to arrange a time to meet at Nauga Field. 225-505-4353 -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331698#331698 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The winter fly-in experience From: "Thom Riddle" Ralph, Very nice videos. I was particularly impressed with the audio quality. You gotta tell us how your intercom/radio system is set up to get that quality with very little background (engine/prop) noise. All my in-flight videos have continuous engine/prop noise in the audio. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. Ann Landers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331711#331711 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:53 AM PST US From: don blackstone Subject: Kolb-List: posting FOR SALE: 1908 Mark III extra=2C quick build kit. droop tips=2C big fuel tank=2C tindra tires=2C good brakes=2C covering kit. Not started yet. No engine or instruments. Located Sierra Vista AZ. I am getting too old and live out of state. Will wholesale for less than $10=2C000. Don 619 840 9186 Bob 206 755 6261 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers From: Rick Neilsen So... who is intrested in flying to Wauchula (CHN) on Saturday 2/26/11. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM, wrote: > Rick, > Just give me notice when and where.I could also keep a seat open for a > passenger I could pick up anywhere in between. > Thanx G.Aman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Neilsen > To: kolb-list > Sent: Fri, Feb 18, 2011 10:54 am > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers > > Gary & Other South Florida Kolb Flyers > > I can't get a plane for tomorrow. How about next Saturday 2/26 > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:23 AM, wrote: > >> Rick, >> I'm good for that on Sat,either place.Been off line until today (fri.A.M.) >> 330-819-3000 verizon.Let me know >> G Aman >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rick Neilsen >> To: kolb-list >> Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 2:11 pm >> Subject: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers >> >> Hey South Florida Flyers or any one that wants to fly in somewhere >> in Florida some morning. >> >> I don't have my Kolb down here this winter but I'm renting a SportCruiser >> out of Charlotte county and I can meet most any where. How about it? Gary A, >> Buford, George A, and anyone else want to meet some where? I have a plane >> available (right now) this Saturday 2/19/ 11 AM we could meet at Arcadia or >> Wauchula. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> >> tor?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> >> >> ========== >> >> >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> ========== >> >> >> bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> ========== >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > > ========== > > tor?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > ========== > > tp://forums.matronics.com > > ========== > > bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:24 AM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar kit for sale. I have posted my kit on barnstormers. It is a Firestar, has area behind seat, but not a two place. It has the 7 rib wing. The wings are built, tail is built, One wing is covered. New Rotax 447, B box and TN prop. $7500 located in SE Missouri. Jerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:48 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Prop Failure? Kolbers: There was no Warp Drive Prop Blade failure on Ellery Batchelder's MKIII. Ellery was told his prop was a WD when he bought it from a gentleman in Florida. The after accident photos indicate the prop blade that failed was built up from some type honeycomb material. Talked with Daryl at WD a few minutes ago. WD has always built solid carbon fiber blades. They have never manufactured a honeycomb blade. I will continue to fly with confidence, my Warp Drive Prop, as I have for many years and many hours. The NTSB has been in contact with Travis at Kolb Aircraft and Daryl at WD. The blades are not WD. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Prop Failure? From: Daniel Myers This confirms my original thoughts. There is absolutely no way a warp would delaminate. I've seen so much stuff go through those props and they always take it with ease. Thanks, Daniel Myers Cell: 407 920 7700 On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > Kolbers: > > There was no Warp Drive Prop Blade failure on Ellery Batchelder's MKIII. > Ellery was told his prop was a WD when he bought it from a gentleman in > Florida. The after accident photos indicate the prop blade that failed was > built up from some type honeycomb material. > > Talked with Daryl at WD a few minutes ago. WD has always built solid carbon > fiber blades. They have never manufactured a honeycomb blade. > > I will continue to fly with confidence, my Warp Drive Prop, as I have for > many years and many hours. > > The NTSB has been in contact with Travis at Kolb Aircraft and Daryl at WD. > The blades are not WD. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The winter fly-in experience From: "Ralph B" Thom Riddle > Ralph, > > Very nice videos. I was particularly impressed with the audio quality. You gotta tell us how your intercom/radio system is set up to get that quality with very little background (engine/prop) noise. All my in-flight videos have loud continuous engine/prop noise in the audio. Thom/gang, I needed a patch cord that would take the audio from my headset and patch it into my Canon Rebel T2i camera with an external audio input jack. I found one here: http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/1978 The once I got the cord, I noticed the plug didn't fit into my camera well, so I cut it off and spliced in another one that fit better. The audio works well and cuts most of the engine noise out. I think that I can improve on it by putting in a fresh set of batteries in my wife's Lightspeed ANR that the cord was plugged into as the batteries were dead. When uploading the videos, I noticed a feature to even the audio level but I didn't use that and maybe it would improve it more. I'm still experimenting, but this is a step in the right direction. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 3 years flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331757#331757 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers From: zeprep251@aol.com Rick, Should be good for me. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 7:11 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers So... who is intrested in flying to Wauchula (CHN) on Saturday 2/26/11. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM, wrote: Rick, Just give me notice when and where.I could also keep a seat open for a pass enger I could pick up anywhere in between. Thanx G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen Sent: Fri, Feb 18, 2011 10:54 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers Gary & Other South Florida Kolb Flyers I can't get a plane for tomorrow. How about next Saturday 2/26 Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:23 AM, wrote: Rick, I'm good for that on Sat,either place.Been off line until today (fri.A.M.)3 30-819-3000 verizon.Let me know G Aman -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 2:11 pm Subject: Kolb-List: South Florida Flyers Hey South Florida Flyers or any one that wants to fly in somewhere in Flori da some morning. I don't have my Kolb down here this winter but I'm renting a SportCruiser o ut of Charlotte county and I can meet most any where. How about it? Gary A, Buford, George A, and anyone else want to meet some where? I have a plane available (right now) this Saturday 2/19/ 11 AM we could meet at Arcadia or Wauchula. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC tor?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution tor?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: posting From: zeprep251@aol.com I'd bet the the Wright brothers would like to talk to you about this aircr aft.They could get a lot of good ideas from Homers designs! -----Original Message----- From: don blackstone Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 7:08 am Subject: Kolb-List: posting FOR SALE: 1908 Mark III extra, quick build kit. droop tips, big fuel tank , tindra tires, good brakes, covering kit. Not started yet. No engine or instruments. Located Sierra Vista AZ. I am getting too old and live out of state. Will wholesale for less than $10,000. Don 619 840 9186 Bob 206 755 6261 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The winter fly-in experience From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks, Ralph. My Lightspeed headset has a plug-in jack for cellphone connection and a patch cord for that purpose. I wonder if that would work since I now take most all of my in-flight videos with my iPhone. When I get airborne again, I'll give that a try. If that does not eliminate the background noise then I'll see about the adapter you posted a link to. Thanks for that; I didn't know that sort of thing existed. I don't carry passengers in my Slingshot so I don't even have an intercom. I plug my headset directly into my iCom A-6 transceiver. My goal is to record audio commentary on the videos without all the loud background noise. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. Ann Landers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331764#331764 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The winter fly-in experience From: "Ralph B" Thom, you can hear audio with the patch cord that was included with your Lightspeed headset. I did this before I bought the one below. It will patch audio into any recording device with an audio input jack. You will hear all radio transmissions coming through your headset. I didn't try it when I spoke on the radio, but I think it will record that too. The only thing it didn't do was record my passenger conversation over the intercom. This is what the patch cord in the link below did. http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/1978 Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 3 years flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331767#331767 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:00 AM PST US From: "Ron @ KFHU" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Prop Failure? Thanks for the update John. I WD is back on my menu for props. Now I would like to know what make was the failed prop. Ron @ KFHU ========= ---- John Hauck wrote: ============ Kolbers: There was no Warp Drive Prop Blade failure on Ellery Batchelder's MKIII. Ellery was told his prop was a WD when he bought it from a gentleman in Florida. The after accident photos indicate the prop blade that failed was built up from some type honeycomb material. Talked with Daryl at WD a few minutes ago. WD has always built solid carbon fiber blades. They have never manufactured a honeycomb blade. I will continue to fly with confidence, my Warp Drive Prop, as I have for many years and many hours. The NTSB has been in contact with Travis at Kolb Aircraft and Daryl at WD. The blades are not WD. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:04 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? From: "Richard Pike" I hate to be the contrarian here - sorry Daryl - but back in the early 90's I went through 4 different Warp Drive blades while trying to get the landing gear and brakes sorted out on my Anglin J-6, and all of those broken blades looked just like the pictures of Ellery's broken blade. Tan foam core, thicker leading edge, and carbon fiber top and bottom. And since Ellery's broken prop dates back to the 90's ... Let the flames begin. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331777#331777 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:20 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? I hate to be the contrarian here - sorry Daryl - but back in the early 90's I went through 4 different Warp Drive blades while trying to get the landing gear and brakes sorted out on my Anglin J-6, and all of those broken blades looked just like the pictures of Ellery's broken blade. Tan foam core, thicker leading edge, and carbon fiber top and bottom. And since Ellery's broken prop dates back to the 90's ... Let the flames begin. Richard Pike Thanks for the info, Richard P. Will you provide the approximate dates? With your permission I will forward your email to WD. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop Failure? From: "Richard Pike" John Hauck wrote: > > Thanks for the info, Richard P. > > Will you provide the approximate dates? > > With your permission I will forward your email to WD. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama Certainly, the logbook says the first flight with the Warp was July 28, 1990, so the prop was very likely purchased sometime in July, 1990, replacing the original wood prop. Then on August 14, 1990, in the Remarks column it simply says "Very bad landing." That is when I dropped in in from about 5' up at my second landing behind the house, the shock struts failed under load (extension) and it ended up on it's belly, breaking at least one blade, maybe both, but not sure. The next flight was Sept 21, 1990, so I would have purchased at least one blade during the time period between mid August & mid September. Then on September 24, the left brake locked up during a touch and go at TRI, and I did a snap ground loop at about 35 knots, folding the gear under, breaking both prop blades, doing extensive damage to the fuselage, and it was grounded until May 21 of 91. (I managed to convince the Tower Chief it was minor damage, and it was only reported as an "incident.") So I would have purchased two more blades between October of 90 and May of 91, but since I managed not to destroy those blades, I have no idea how they were constructed. Anyway, the ones I destroyed looked like Ellery's Thanks, Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331784#331784 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:41 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Prop Failure? I'd tell you that there are absolutely no absolutes, but there might be one out there somewhere. Around 1993, an acquaintance was flying a WD on an O-320 powered homebuilt called a Skeeter in Oklahoma & discovered that the prop was making 'whiskers' of carbon fiber on the blades near the roots. The rather brutal power pulses of the Lyc were shattering the strands of carbon. If he'd continued flying it, it could have ended in disaster. Shortly after he returned the blades to WD, they discontinued selling props for direct drive 4 cyl a/c engines. Long time ago & things may have changed by now, but I asked them a couple of years after the incident & they still weren't selling for Lycs at the time. Sooo...hard to find those absolutes. Charlie On 2/21/2011 11:40 AM, Daniel Myers wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Daniel Myers > > This confirms my original thoughts. There is absolutely no way a warp would delaminate. I've seen so much stuff go through those props and they always take it with ease. > > Thanks, > Daniel Myers > Cell: 407 920 7700 > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" >> >> Kolbers: >> >> There was no Warp Drive Prop Blade failure on Ellery Batchelder's MKIII. >> Ellery was told his prop was a WD when he bought it from a gentleman in >> Florida. The after accident photos indicate the prop blade that failed was >> built up from some type honeycomb material. >> >> Talked with Daryl at WD a few minutes ago. WD has always built solid carbon >> fiber blades. They have never manufactured a honeycomb blade. >> >> I will continue to fly with confidence, my Warp Drive Prop, as I have for >> many years and many hours. >> >> The NTSB has been in contact with Travis at Kolb Aircraft and Daryl at WD. >> The blades are not WD. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Prop Failure? From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I am not going to argue about the blades I have, I think the NTSB will get to the bottom of this without my input Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 12:23 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Prop Failure? Kolbers: There was no Warp Drive Prop Blade failure on Ellery Batchelder's MKIII. llery was told his prop was a WD when he bought it from a gentleman in lorida. The after accident photos indicate the prop blade that failed was uilt up from some type honeycomb material. Talked with Daryl at WD a few minutes ago. WD has always built solid carb on iber blades. They have never manufactured a honeycomb blade. I will continue to fly with confidence, my Warp Drive Prop, as I have for any years and many hours. The NTSB has been in contact with Travis at Kolb Aircraft and Daryl at WD. he blades are not WD. john h kIII itus, Alabama ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.