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1. 08:33 AM - Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Frankd)
2. 08:41 AM - 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? (Dennis Thate)
3. 10:44 AM - Re: 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? (George Myers)
4. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Richard Girard)
5. 03:03 PM - Sun 'N Fun 2011 (Jon LaVasseur)
6. 04:35 PM - Re: Sun 'N Fun 2011 (John Hauck)
7. 05:37 PM - Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Frankd)
8. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
9. 08:03 PM - MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Mike Welch)
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Subject: | Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D |
Hi Gang,
Great feedback!! thank you.
Its amazing what you learn when you post a problem here.
I'm working with the factory on my set-up and spent all day yesterday doing measurements
to find out exactly what happened. I will post once completed, suffice
to say that Rich G's advise seems to hit the mark.
Cool about the longer legs, I did not know that.
The ducts on my Jabiru are actually Jab Factory made but designed to fit on a trike
and wrap around a person. I left 'em as is and I can put the oil cooler
radiator right in the middle, if needed. I was advised to fly without the cooler
at first. The CHT I got was in climb so I think I'm OK.
I also plan to use weights as an original passenger to determine trim when I'm
ready to go there.
As an aside I did plan on putting a trim tab on the elevator and beefed up the
TE with double tubing on one side so I could rivet on a tab. I like aerodynamic
trim vs a spring but kept the factory set-up to start with and decide later
what I want.
After this flight I would REALLY advise anyone to try to get some KOLB time before
1st flight. I'll even volunteer to be a west coast contact for anyone needing
that once I fly off my 40Hrs.
Lets do it safe and we can all enjoy these planes for a long time.
Safe landings.
FrankD
N1014S M3x
15 mins total time.
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Subject: | 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? |
My 2006 Kolb Firestar II has the , Rotax 503 with 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller,
RK-400 release clutch with only 80 hours on it, I've heard some second hand
comments about in-flight clutch failure on this system.
I would appreciate any factual feedback on this RK-400 release clutch info
I received....in general is it a common occurrence or very rare, or just hangar
talk speculation ?
Thanks,
Dennis
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Subject: | 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question |
?
I have 2. Both on rotax 582's with 3 blade warp drives. Love them. Never
heard of an in-flight failure of the RK-400. Only problem is when the engine
quits it keeps turning and adds a lot of drag.
>My 2006 Kolb Firestar II has the , Rotax 503 with 3 bladed Warp Drive
propeller, RK-400 >release clutch with only 80 hours on it, I've heard some
second hand comments about in-do not archive
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Subject: | Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D |
Frank, Be very careful about adding weight to an unbalanced control surface.
Weight is one of the elements that can drive a surface into flutter. I don't
know of any Mk III that has ever experienced elevator flutter, but we know
that the aircraft IS subject to both rudder and aileron flutter.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Frankd <frankd@foundrynet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Great feedback!! thank you.
> Its amazing what you learn when you post a problem here.
>
> I'm working with the factory on my set-up and spent all day yesterday doing
> measurements to find out exactly what happened. I will post once completed,
> suffice to say that Rich G's advise seems to hit the mark.
> Cool about the longer legs, I did not know that.
>
> The ducts on my Jabiru are actually Jab Factory made but designed to fit on
> a trike and wrap around a person. I left 'em as is and I can put the oil
> cooler radiator right in the middle, if needed. I was advised to fly
> without the cooler at first. The CHT I got was in climb so I think I'm OK.
> I also plan to use weights as an original passenger to determine trim when
> I'm ready to go there.
>
> As an aside I did plan on putting a trim tab on the elevator and beefed up
> the TE with double tubing on one side so I could rivet on a tab. I like
> aerodynamic trim vs a spring but kept the factory set-up to start with and
> decide later what I want.
>
> After this flight I would REALLY advise anyone to try to get some KOLB time
> before 1st flight. I'll even volunteer to be a west coast contact for
> anyone needing that once I fly off my 40Hrs.
>
> Lets do it safe and we can all enjoy these planes for a long time.
> Safe landings.
>
> FrankD
> N1014S M3x
> 15 mins total time.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334081#334081
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Hi Guys,=0A=0AI hope to-make it this year.- Is there any plan for Kolbe
rs to meet someplace, =0Asometime?- A meal maybe?=0A=0AJon L.=0AMinnesota
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Sun 'N Fun 2011 |
I hope to make it this year. Is there any plan for Kolbers to meet
someplace,
sometime? A meal maybe?
Jon L.
Jon L/Gang:
Miss P'fer and I will be hanging out at the Kolb display again this year.
I will be ready to get together and go eat at any time.
Don't know of any plans at this time, but we can sure make some.
Looking forward to seeing you at Lakeland.
Still got some wiring to replace, that the rats ate, and waiting on two
rebuild kits for the MATCO MC-4 master cyclinders. Discovered one had gone
belly up a couple days ago.
Hope to have the Annual Inspection complete and get a little flying in
before time to depart for Lakeland, 28 Mar.
john h
mkIII
titus, alabama
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Subject: | Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D |
Hi Guys,
I can provide those angles for you as I just discussed them with Bryan at KOLB.
These are for the CURRENT M3X only that the factory is building and may differ
on older models (Like mine).
Use the motor mount flanges as the reference = 0deg front to back.
Boom tube to motor mount = -6.1 Deg
Wing to MM. = +3.4Deg.
Horizontal Stab to MM = -4.8 Deg.
Engine thrust line to MM = 0 Deg.
OK, a few things we discussed. by using this wing incidence it is better to have
the longer steel legs vs the "Short" Alu legs. (Good excuse to get those
sexy long legs!)
It gives a better angle of attack on take-off and landing.
If you have an older M3X with a bigger wing incidence in reference to the motor
mount and have moved your Horzontal Stab LE up to be flush with the top of the
boom tube I believe the "Short" legs will work fine and your trim should be
set ok.
(Chris A, I believe your M3x is like this)
Have fun trying to measure these angles, I did.
One other thing I thought about was that if your plane is flying fine and it all
works good, I would not change anything. As pointed out the possibility of
introducing flutter or an unstable set-up is real if we "Experiment" a little
too much.
Hope this helps.
FrankD
N1014S, M3X.
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Subject: | Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D |
Frank is this where you have your angles set ?
I just want to make sure I don't get mine to have the same problem you re
cently explained you have
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frankd <frankd@foundrynet.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:35 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D
Hi Guys,
can provide those angles for you as I just discussed them with Bryan at
KOLB.
These are for the CURRENT M3X only that the factory is building and may di
ffer
n older models (Like mine).
Use the motor mount flanges as the reference = 0deg front to back.
Boom tube to motor mount = -6.1 Deg
ing to MM. = +3.4Deg.
orizontal Stab to MM = -4.8 Deg.
ngine thrust line to MM = 0 Deg.
OK, a few things we discussed. by using this wing incidence it is better
to
ave the longer steel legs vs the "Short" Alu legs. (Good excuse to get
those
exy long legs!)
t gives a better angle of attack on take-off and landing.
If you have an older M3X with a bigger wing incidence in reference to the
motor
ount and have moved your Horzontal Stab LE up to be flush with the top of
the
oom tube I believe the "Short" legs will work fine and your trim should be
set
k.
Chris A, I believe your M3x is like this)
Have fun trying to measure these angles, I did.
One other thing I thought about was that if your plane is flying fine and
it all
orks good, I would not change anything. As pointed out the possibility of
ntroducing flutter or an unstable set-up is real if we "Experiment" a litt
le
oo much.
Hope this helps.
rankD
N1014S, M3X.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334137#334137
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Subject: | MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D |
Frank=2C
I'm with Ellery....I would like to know the incidences of your wings BEFO
RE you change them.
Is what Rick G. said correct....you have your main wings set at the higher
angle and your h. stab
set at the lower Xtra angle?
I have my wings and tailfeather set up to be exactly (!!) the figures Br
yan just gave you. I do
have the tall steel legs=2C too.
One number you didn't mention is the dihedral. Kolb Co. was recommending
I had already made my wing struts years ago for the older MkIII position=2C
my final dihedral is
2.7 degrees. I like it a LOT=2C but the truth is=2C you just about couldn'
t tell by looking at it.
Are you going to get the tall steel gear legs now??
Do you have a new email address? I sent you a private message asking you
a question=2C but
it got returned saying your address wasn't valid. ???
Mike Welch
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