---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/16/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:33 AM - Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Frankd) 2. 08:41 AM - 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? (Dennis Thate) 3. 10:44 AM - Re: 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? (George Myers) 4. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Richard Girard) 5. 03:03 PM - Sun 'N Fun 2011 (Jon LaVasseur) 6. 04:35 PM - Re: Sun 'N Fun 2011 (John Hauck) 7. 05:37 PM - Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Frankd) 8. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 9. 08:03 PM - MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D (Mike Welch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D From: "Frankd" Hi Gang, Great feedback!! thank you. Its amazing what you learn when you post a problem here. I'm working with the factory on my set-up and spent all day yesterday doing measurements to find out exactly what happened. I will post once completed, suffice to say that Rich G's advise seems to hit the mark. Cool about the longer legs, I did not know that. The ducts on my Jabiru are actually Jab Factory made but designed to fit on a trike and wrap around a person. I left 'em as is and I can put the oil cooler radiator right in the middle, if needed. I was advised to fly without the cooler at first. The CHT I got was in climb so I think I'm OK. I also plan to use weights as an original passenger to determine trim when I'm ready to go there. As an aside I did plan on putting a trim tab on the elevator and beefed up the TE with double tubing on one side so I could rivet on a tab. I like aerodynamic trim vs a spring but kept the factory set-up to start with and decide later what I want. After this flight I would REALLY advise anyone to try to get some KOLB time before 1st flight. I'll even volunteer to be a west coast contact for anyone needing that once I fly off my 40Hrs. Lets do it safe and we can all enjoy these planes for a long time. Safe landings. FrankD N1014S M3x 15 mins total time. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334081#334081 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? From: "Dennis Thate" My 2006 Kolb Firestar II has the , Rotax 503 with 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release clutch with only 80 hours on it, I've heard some second hand comments about in-flight clutch failure on this system. I would appreciate any factual feedback on this RK-400 release clutch info I received....in general is it a common occurrence or very rare, or just hangar talk speculation ? Thanks, Dennis -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334082#334082 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00518_116.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:11 AM PST US From: "George Myers" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 release question ? I have 2. Both on rotax 582's with 3 blade warp drives. Love them. Never heard of an in-flight failure of the RK-400. Only problem is when the engine quits it keeps turning and adds a lot of drag. >My 2006 Kolb Firestar II has the , Rotax 503 with 3 bladed Warp Drive propeller, RK-400 >release clutch with only 80 hours on it, I've heard some second hand comments about in-do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D From: Richard Girard Frank, Be very careful about adding weight to an unbalanced control surface. Weight is one of the elements that can drive a surface into flutter. I don't know of any Mk III that has ever experienced elevator flutter, but we know that the aircraft IS subject to both rudder and aileron flutter. Rick Girard On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Frankd wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > Great feedback!! thank you. > Its amazing what you learn when you post a problem here. > > I'm working with the factory on my set-up and spent all day yesterday doing > measurements to find out exactly what happened. I will post once completed, > suffice to say that Rich G's advise seems to hit the mark. > Cool about the longer legs, I did not know that. > > The ducts on my Jabiru are actually Jab Factory made but designed to fit on > a trike and wrap around a person. I left 'em as is and I can put the oil > cooler radiator right in the middle, if needed. I was advised to fly > without the cooler at first. The CHT I got was in climb so I think I'm OK. > I also plan to use weights as an original passenger to determine trim when > I'm ready to go there. > > As an aside I did plan on putting a trim tab on the elevator and beefed up > the TE with double tubing on one side so I could rivet on a tab. I like > aerodynamic trim vs a spring but kept the factory set-up to start with and > decide later what I want. > > After this flight I would REALLY advise anyone to try to get some KOLB time > before 1st flight. I'll even volunteer to be a west coast contact for > anyone needing that once I fly off my 40Hrs. > > Lets do it safe and we can all enjoy these planes for a long time. > Safe landings. > > FrankD > N1014S M3x > 15 mins total time. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334081#334081 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:07 PM PST US From: Jon LaVasseur Subject: Kolb-List: Sun 'N Fun 2011 Hi Guys,=0A=0AI hope to-make it this year.- Is there any plan for Kolbe rs to meet someplace, =0Asometime?- A meal maybe?=0A=0AJon L.=0AMinnesota =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:57 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun 'N Fun 2011 I hope to make it this year. Is there any plan for Kolbers to meet someplace, sometime? A meal maybe? Jon L. Jon L/Gang: Miss P'fer and I will be hanging out at the Kolb display again this year. I will be ready to get together and go eat at any time. Don't know of any plans at this time, but we can sure make some. Looking forward to seeing you at Lakeland. Still got some wiring to replace, that the rats ate, and waiting on two rebuild kits for the MATCO MC-4 master cyclinders. Discovered one had gone belly up a couple days ago. Hope to have the Annual Inspection complete and get a little flying in before time to depart for Lakeland, 28 Mar. john h mkIII titus, alabama ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D From: "Frankd" Hi Guys, I can provide those angles for you as I just discussed them with Bryan at KOLB. These are for the CURRENT M3X only that the factory is building and may differ on older models (Like mine). Use the motor mount flanges as the reference = 0deg front to back. Boom tube to motor mount = -6.1 Deg Wing to MM. = +3.4Deg. Horizontal Stab to MM = -4.8 Deg. Engine thrust line to MM = 0 Deg. OK, a few things we discussed. by using this wing incidence it is better to have the longer steel legs vs the "Short" Alu legs. (Good excuse to get those sexy long legs!) It gives a better angle of attack on take-off and landing. If you have an older M3X with a bigger wing incidence in reference to the motor mount and have moved your Horzontal Stab LE up to be flush with the top of the boom tube I believe the "Short" legs will work fine and your trim should be set ok. (Chris A, I believe your M3x is like this) Have fun trying to measure these angles, I did. One other thing I thought about was that if your plane is flying fine and it all works good, I would not change anything. As pointed out the possibility of introducing flutter or an unstable set-up is real if we "Experiment" a little too much. Hope this helps. FrankD N1014S, M3X. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334137#334137 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Frank is this where you have your angles set ? I just want to make sure I don't get mine to have the same problem you re cently explained you have Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Frankd Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:35 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: N1014S MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D Hi Guys, can provide those angles for you as I just discussed them with Bryan at KOLB. These are for the CURRENT M3X only that the factory is building and may di ffer n older models (Like mine). Use the motor mount flanges as the reference = 0deg front to back. Boom tube to motor mount = -6.1 Deg ing to MM. = +3.4Deg. orizontal Stab to MM = -4.8 Deg. ngine thrust line to MM = 0 Deg. OK, a few things we discussed. by using this wing incidence it is better to ave the longer steel legs vs the "Short" Alu legs. (Good excuse to get those exy long legs!) t gives a better angle of attack on take-off and landing. If you have an older M3X with a bigger wing incidence in reference to the motor ount and have moved your Horzontal Stab LE up to be flush with the top of the oom tube I believe the "Short" legs will work fine and your trim should be set k. Chris A, I believe your M3x is like this) Have fun trying to measure these angles, I did. One other thing I thought about was that if your plane is flying fine and it all orks good, I would not change anything. As pointed out the possibility of ntroducing flutter or an unstable set-up is real if we "Experiment" a litt le oo much. Hope this helps. rankD N1014S, M3X. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334137#334137 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:05 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: MarkIII Xtra first flight - Frank D Frank=2C I'm with Ellery....I would like to know the incidences of your wings BEFO RE you change them. Is what Rick G. said correct....you have your main wings set at the higher angle and your h. stab set at the lower Xtra angle? I have my wings and tailfeather set up to be exactly (!!) the figures Br yan just gave you. I do have the tall steel legs=2C too. One number you didn't mention is the dihedral. Kolb Co. was recommending I had already made my wing struts years ago for the older MkIII position=2C my final dihedral is 2.7 degrees. I like it a LOT=2C but the truth is=2C you just about couldn' t tell by looking at it. Are you going to get the tall steel gear legs now?? Do you have a new email address? I sent you a private message asking you a question=2C but it got returned saying your address wasn't valid. ??? 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