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     1. 06:11 AM - Re: Need Info Re: Flying to Oshkosh (robert bean)
     2. 07:31 AM - Re: Need Info Re: Flying to Oshkosh (Rick Neilsen)
     3. 09:14 AM - Re: Need Info Re: Flying to Oshkosh (robert bean)
     4. 10:37 AM - Re: Need Info Re: Flying to Oshkosh (jerb)
     5. 10:37 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2011 (Ron @ KFHU)
     6. 11:39 AM - Need Info Re: Flying to Oshkosh (Dennis Thate)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:11:30 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Need Info re: Flying to Oshkosh
    Having never flown in to Osh, (and only attending once, good enuf fer me) if you are N-numbered you should be treated like anybody else, including zippy, expensive airplanes . Personally I wouldn't tolerate any discrimination and would take zero crap from anybody. -that's just me I guess. Same goes for ATC guys who act like gestapo. Remember they are your servant and they HAVE to let you land. If they talk too fast, reply R E A L S L O W. Nobody is my boss. BB On 24, Mar 2011, at 11:45 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > Arty > > I have flown in four times. With all the changes I have no interest in flying in again. > > First there is airplane camping only over by the red barn now. Plan on dragging your plane 100-600 feet through the crowd to the camping area. Everyone else can taxi but we drag. > > Yes you call in but don't assume any information you get will be accurate. They don't inform anyone you are inbound and the people that answer the phones don't have a clue which direction they are flying. Be sure to do pass on the south/west side of the strip to verify the direction if no one is flying. Two years ago we were told the wrong direction and landed just moments before a group of departing planes were to be released in the other direction. When landing to the north west you are blind to the runway till you turn final 100 feet from the end of the runway. > > You may be allowed to buy gas from the fuel trucks but if not plan on a lot of walking with your gas can and make sure you don't get a voucher for more fuel than you need because there are no refunds. > > Make sure you review notams very carefully for the layout of the pattern and know exactly were to look for the runway. The photos and descriptions are very good but there is a line of trees that block your view of the Ultralight/LSA runway til you are right on top of it. Once a member of our flock that flew in got separated from us. When he got there we watched him circle the pattern a bunch of times before he gave up and landed on a emergency strip. They almost made him truck his plane home. He was in big trouble. No they refuse to publish the GPS coordinates for the strip. > > For the most part the EAA crew only wants factory planes flying so watch your step. Also watch out for the wicked witch of the red barn > Sorry I may be a bit negative. I tried for years to get trash cans and a port-o-let in the camp ground like the GA guys get. One year I went over the wicked witch's head and got Tom Poberezny to get us a port-o-let. I caught hell for it, they refused to let the suck truck in to clean it and made sure that there would never be a port-o-let there again. A once packed airplane camp ground ended up being so unused they now park trailers there. > > One last thing save a few $ and share the camping fee with another plane. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Ralph B <rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: > > Arty, since you have flown across country and landed at many airports, flying into the Oshkosh ultralight strip in not an issue for you. All you would need to do is call the red barn by phone before coming in. I think the AirVenture website has the pattern, approach, and all the details for landing on the strip. The main thing is to maintain 300' AGL while flying in and out of the pattern and make sure you don't fly to the east of the strip over the crowd and parked airplanes. I flew the Firestar there in 1999 and the Kolbra in 2009. There used to be plenty of space for underwing camping until last year when the EAA turned over the space west of the strip to the rotorcraft pilots. I think it's best to arrive on Saturday, then you can see the arriving aircraft without paying anything for that day. When you approach from the south and are landing, be aware of the tight turn you need to make landing on the strip. At 300', you cannot see the runway until the very last minute bef! > ore you land due to the trees. It can be a little tricky the first time. Also, there is a slight grade to the strip and because of that, it looks shorter than it really is when landing to the north. > > Ralph B > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000 hours > 24 years flying it > Kolbra 912UL > N20386 > 3 years flying it > 150 hrs > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334986#334986 > t Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:31:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Need Info re: Flying to Oshkosh
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Bob I agree but we are talking about a small empire/strip on the fringe of the big show. If you don't do things their way you are told to leave. If you think ATC is bad.... My biggest problem is years ago, there were so many (50-100 planes) that enjoyed camping under their wings and flying at the ultralight strip. Now you have a few factory planes and maybe three or four that fly in. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:08 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Having never flown in to Osh, (and only attending once, good enuf fer me) > if you are N-numbered you should be treated like anybody else, > including zippy, expensive airplanes . Personally I wouldn't tolerate any > discrimination and would take zero crap from anybody. > -that's just me I guess. > Same goes for ATC guys who act like gestapo. Remember they are your > servant and they HAVE to let you land. If they talk > too fast, reply R E A L S L O W. Nobody is my boss. > BB > > On 24, Mar 2011, at 11:45 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > > Arty > > I have flown in four times. With all the changes I have no interest > in flying in again. > > First there is airplane camping only over by the red barn now. Plan on > dragging your plane 100-600 feet through the crowd to the camping area. > Everyone else can taxi but we drag. > > Yes you call in but don't assume any information you get will be accurate. > They don't inform anyone you are inbound and the people that answer the > phones don't have a clue which direction they are flying. Be sure to do pass > on the south/west side of the strip to verify the direction if no one is > flying. Two years ago we were told the wrong direction and landed just > moments before a group of departing planes were to be released in the other > direction. When landing to the north west you are blind to the runway till > you turn final 100 feet from the end of the runway. > > You may be allowed to buy gas from the fuel trucks but if not plan on a lot > of walking with your gas can and make sure you don't get a voucher for more > fuel than you need because there are no refunds. > > Make sure you review notams very carefully for the layout of the > pattern and know exactly were to look for the runway. The photos and > descriptions are very good but there is a line of trees that block your view > of the Ultralight/LSA runway til you are right on top of it. Once a member > of our flock that flew in got separated from us. When he got there we > watched him circle the pattern a bunch of times before he gave up and landed > on a emergency strip. They almost made him truck his plane home. He was in > big trouble. No they refuse to publish the GPS coordinates for the strip. > > For the most part the EAA crew only wants factory planes flying so watch > your step. Also watch out for the wicked witch of the red barn > Sorry I may be a bit negative. I tried for years to get trash cans and a > port-o-let in the camp ground like the GA guys get. One year I went over the > wicked witch's head and got Tom Poberezny to get us a port-o-let. I caught > hell for it, they refused to let the suck truck in to clean it and made sure > that there would never be a port-o-let there again. A once packed airplane > camp ground ended up being so unused they now park trailers there. > > One last thing save a few $ and share the camping fee with another plane. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Ralph B <rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Arty, since you have flown across country and landed at many airports, >> flying into the Oshkosh ultralight strip in not an issue for you. All you >> would need to do is call the red barn by phone before coming in. I think the >> AirVenture website has the pattern, approach, and all the details for >> landing on the strip. The main thing is to maintain 300' AGL while flying in >> and out of the pattern and make sure you don't fly to the east of the strip >> over the crowd and parked airplanes. I flew the Firestar there in 1999 and >> the Kolbra in 2009. There used to be plenty of space for underwing camping >> until last year when the EAA turned over the space west of the strip to the >> rotorcraft pilots. I think it's best to arrive on Saturday, then you can see >> the arriving aircraft without paying anything for that day. When you >> approach from the south and are landing, be aware of the tight turn you need >> to make landing on the strip. At 300', you cannot see the runway until the >> very last minute bef! >> ore you land due to the trees. It can be a little tricky the first time. >> Also, there is a slight grade to the strip and because of that, it looks >> shorter than it really is when landing to the north. >> >> Ralph B >> >> -------- >> Ralph B >> Original Firestar 447 >> N91493 E-AB >> 1000 hours >> 24 years flying it >> Kolbra 912UL >> N20386 >> 3 years flying it >> 150 hrs >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334986#334986 >> t Un/Subscription, >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ==== >> >> >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 09:14:12 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Need Info re: Flying to Oshkosh
    What would draw me to an aviation event is the potential for seeing innovation. Big and fast, small and slow makes no diff. Fresh designs and ideas. Row upon row of kit and plans built planes won't get me there. Sticking the "experimental" sign on your plane doesn't make it so even if you do have a different paint job from the one next to you. $10,000 worth of gadgets stuck in the dashboard are the equivalent of bling hanging from a rapper's neck. Turn offs are the bevy of $300,000 motor coaches and the warplane guys who are treated like royalty. These are not experimental airplanes. I've seen enough of those and aerobatic routines to last me. I'm more impressed with a guy Like Jack Hart who continues to tweak his little bird in the cold wilds of Indiana. BB On 25, Mar 2011, at 10:14 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > Bob > > I agree but we are talking about a small empire/strip on the fringe of the big show. If you don't do things their way you are told to leave. If you think ATC is bad.... > > My biggest problem is years ago, there were so many (50-100 planes) that enjoyed camping under their wings and flying at the ultralight strip. Now you have a few factory planes and maybe three or four that fly in. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:08 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Having never flown in to Osh, (and only attending once, good enuf fer me) if you are N-numbered you should be treated like anybody else, > including zippy, expensive airplanes . Personally I wouldn't tolerate any discrimination and would take zero crap from anybody. > -that's just me I guess. > Same goes for ATC guys who act like gestapo. Remember they are your servant and they HAVE to let you land. If they talk > too fast, reply R E A L S L O W. Nobody is my boss. > BB > > On 24, Mar 2011, at 11:45 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > >> Arty >> >> I have flown in four times. With all the changes I have no interest in flying in again. >> >> First there is airplane camping only over by the red barn now. Plan on dragging your plane 100-600 feet through the crowd to the camping area. Everyone else can taxi but we drag. >> >> Yes you call in but don't assume any information you get will be accurate. They don't inform anyone you are inbound and the people that answer the phones don't have a clue which direction they are flying. Be sure to do pass on the south/west side of the strip to verify the direction if no one is flying. Two years ago we were told the wrong direction and landed just moments before a group of departing planes were to be released in the other direction. When landing to the north west you are blind to the runway till you turn final 100 feet from the end of the runway. >> >> You may be allowed to buy gas from the fuel trucks but if not plan on a lot of walking with your gas can and make sure you don't get a voucher for more fuel than you need because there are no refunds. >> >> Make sure you review notams very carefully for the layout of the pattern and know exactly were to look for the runway. The photos and descriptions are very good but there is a line of trees that block your view of the Ultralight/LSA runway til you are right on top of it. Once a member of our flock that flew in got separated from us. When he got there we watched him circle the pattern a bunch of times before he gave up and landed on a emergency strip. They almost made him truck his plane home. He was in big trouble. No they refuse to publish the GPS coordinates for the strip. >> >> For the most part the EAA crew only wants factory planes flying so watch your step. Also watch out for the wicked witch of the red barn >> Sorry I may be a bit negative. I tried for years to get trash cans and a port-o-let in the camp ground like the GA guys get. One year I went over the wicked witch's head and got Tom Poberezny to get us a port-o-let. I caught hell for it, they refused to let the suck truck in to clean it and made sure that there would never be a port-o-let there again. A once packed airplane camp ground ended up being so unused they now park trailers there. >> >> One last thing save a few $ and share the camping fee with another plane. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Ralph B <rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Arty, since you have flown across country and landed at many airports, flying into the Oshkosh ultralight strip in not an issue for you. All you would need to do is call the red barn by phone before coming in. I think the AirVenture website has the pattern, approach, and all the details for landing on the strip. The main thing is to maintain 300' AGL while flying in and out of the pattern and make sure you don't fly to the east of the strip over the crowd and parked airplanes. I flew the Firestar there in 1999 and the Kolbra in 2009. There used to be plenty of space for underwing camping until last year when the EAA turned over the space west of the strip to the rotorcraft pilots. I think it's best to arrive on Saturday, then you can see the arriving aircraft without paying anything for that day. When you approach from the south and are landing, be aware of the tight turn you need to make landing on the strip. At 300', you cannot see the runway until the very last minute bef! >> ore you land due to the trees. It can be a little tricky the first time. Also, there is a slight grade to the strip and because of that, it looks shorter than it really is when landing to the north. >> >> Ralph B >> >> -------- >> Ralph B >> Original Firestar 447 >> N91493 E-AB >> 1000 hours >> 24 years flying it >> Kolbra 912UL >> N20386 >> 3 years flying it >> 150 hrs >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334986#334986 >> t Un/Subscription, >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > >


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    Time: 10:37:19 AM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Need Info re: Flying to Oshkosh
    Why would any one want to go (to Oshkosh) and expose themselves to this hoard environment. Comments of watch out for the wicked witch of the red barn, gestapo attitudes, having to drag your plane around don't give one warm fuzzies. Referring to those folks as servants and likely treating them in that manner may be part of the problem. Think of the jerks they must tolerate during the event. Something to think about when most are volunteers. Arty, the thrill of flying a few circuits in the ultralight pattern is enough to last a life time. :-) jerb At 08:08 AM 3/25/2011, you wrote: >Having never flown in to Osh, (and only attending once, good enuf >fer me) if you are N-numbered you should be treated like anybody else, >including zippy, expensive airplanes . Personally I wouldn't >tolerate any discrimination and would take zero crap from anybody. >-that's just me I guess. >Same goes for ATC guys who act like gestapo. Remember they are your >servant and they HAVE to let you land. If they talk >too fast, reply R E A L S L O W. Nobody is my boss. >BB > >On 24, Mar 2011, at 11:45 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > >>Arty >> >>I have flown in four times. With all the changes I have no interest >>in flying in again. >> >>First there is airplane camping only over by the red barn now. Plan >>on dragging your plane 100-600 feet through the crowd to the >>camping area. Everyone else can taxi but we drag. >> >>Yes you call in but don't assume any information you get will be >>accurate. They don't inform anyone you are inbound and the people >>that answer the phones don't have a clue which direction they are >>flying. Be sure to do pass on the south/west side of the strip to >>verify the direction if no one is flying. Two years ago we were >>told the wrong direction and landed just moments before a group of >>departing planes were to be released in the other direction. When >>landing to the north west you are blind to the runway till you turn >>final 100 feet from the end of the runway. >> >>You may be allowed to buy gas from the fuel trucks but if not plan >>on a lot of walking with your gas can and make sure you don't get a >>voucher for more fuel than you need because there are no refunds. >> >>Make sure you review notams very carefully for the layout of the >>pattern and know exactly were to look for the runway. The photos >>and descriptions are very good but there is a line of trees that >>block your view of the Ultralight/LSA runway til you are right on >>top of it. Once a member of our flock that flew in got separated >>from us. When he got there we watched him circle the pattern a >>bunch of times before he gave up and landed on a emergency strip. >>They almost made him truck his plane home. He was in big trouble. >>No they refuse to publish the GPS coordinates for the strip. >> >>For the most part the EAA crew only wants factory planes flying so >>watch your step. Also watch out for the wicked witch of the red barn >>Sorry I may be a bit negative. I tried for years to get trash cans >>and a port-o-let in the camp ground like the GA guys get. One year >>I went over the wicked witch's head and got Tom Poberezny to get us >>a port-o-let. I caught hell for it, they refused to let the suck >>truck in to clean it and made sure that there would never be a >>port-o-let there again. A once packed airplane camp ground ended up >>being so unused they now park trailers there. >> >>One last thing save a few $ and share the camping fee with another plane. >> >>Rick Neilsen >>Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> >>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Ralph B >><<mailto:rstar447@gmail.com>rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: >><<mailto:rstar447@gmail.com>rstar447@gmail.com> >> >>Arty, since you have flown across country and landed at many >>airports, flying into the Oshkosh ultralight strip in not an issue >>for you. All you would need to do is call the red barn by phone >>before coming in. I think the AirVenture website has the pattern, >>approach, and all the details for landing on the strip. The main >>thing is to maintain 300' AGL while flying in and out of the >>pattern and make sure you don't fly to the east of the strip over >>the crowd and parked airplanes. I flew the Firestar there in 1999 >>and the Kolbra in 2009. There used to be plenty of space for >>underwing camping until last year when the EAA turned over the >>space west of the strip to the rotorcraft pilots. I think it's best >>to arrive on Saturday, then you can see the arriving aircraft >>without paying anything for that day. When you approach from the >>south and are landing, be aware of the tight turn you need to make >>landing on the strip. At 300', you cannot see the runway until the >>very last minute bef! >> ore you land due to the trees. It can be a little tricky the >> first time. Also, there is a slight grade to the strip and because >> of that, it looks shorter than it really is when landing to the north. >> >>Ralph B >> >>-------- >>Ralph B >>Original Firestar 447 >>N91493 E-AB >>1000 hours >>24 years flying it >>Kolbra 912UL >>N20386 >>3 years flying it >>150 hrs >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >><http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334986#334986>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334986#334986 >>t Un/Subscription, >><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" >>target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >><http://ronics.com/>ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >


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    Time: 10:37:19 AM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun and Fun 2011
    Neat! I am going to be there as well, but land bound. Ron @ FHU =================== ---- Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: ============ John/All John, good to here you are going to make it to Sun N Fun again this year. I'm planning to arrive Sun N Fun, Monday late and stay till Friday. It will be great to see everyone again this year. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > > Hi Folks: > > Been working on my mkIII every day for several weeks now. Done everything > from pulling engine to replace the Lord mounts, to changing the oil and > filter. In between, I had to rewire radio, GPS, and the DRE 6000 ANR > headset. Damn rat chewed through, not only the power wires, but cut the > GPS > coax cable as well. Was a good time to replace the radio coax too. The > dirty rat also cut a brake line. I didn't know it until after I had > rebuilt > both master cylinders. While the seats were out I cleaned up a lot of > mildew and mold from inside the fuselage, the result of heat and > condensation while sitting for a year in the hanger unused. While the > center section was off I insulated it and the rear of the fuselage for > noise > reduction. I think it worked. While flying yesterday I was told my radio > sounded much better without all the cockpit noise. It is still noisy as > Hell, but has been quieted down a little bit. > > Plan to depart Gantt International Airport, Sunday afternoon, and fly to > Panacea, Florida. There is a grass strip there about a mile from a good > seafood restaurant. I'll camp out there and depart early to catch the Kolb > gang at Lakeland about noon. > > Looking forward to seeing the Kolb folks. Have not seen them since Sun and > Fun 2010. Also looking forward to seeing old friends that I usually only > get to see at Lakeland or Oshkosh. > > Kolb asked me if I would tie down Miss P'fer on the space next to theirs. > Although she is 20 years old with faded, chipped paint, and a lot of fair > wear and tear, she still draws attention when folks find out a little bit > about her history. Miss P'fer still flies like she did when she was new, > but her pilot has slowed down a bit since then. > > See you all in Lakeland. > > john h > mkIII - 3,019.0 hrs airframe > 912ULS - 450.5 hrs engine > Titus, Alabama > > -- kugelair.com


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    Time: 11:39:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Need Info re: Flying to Oshkosh
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    Consider going IFR: 'I Follow Roads' I live next to I-90 in Minnesota...seems a large number of every kind of aircraft imaginable simply follow this I-90 corridor right into Wisconsin. Have fun -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335046#335046




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