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Tue 04/05/11


Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:24 AM - Re: Tiny tach?? HKS (McCarthy Tom)
     2. 06:38 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2011 is Over (Kip)
     3. 08:15 AM - Conventional Pilot needs transition experience (Dennis Thate)
     4. 09:36 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/04/11 (Bob Green)
     5. 11:28 AM - Re: Tiny tach?? HKS (Larry Cottrell)
     6. 01:04 PM - Lithium Batteries (Rick Neilsen)
     7. 01:26 PM - Re: Lithium Batteries (robert bean)
     8. 02:07 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/04/11 (Rex Rodebush)
     9. 03:53 PM - Lithium Batteries (Jack B. Hart)
    10. 06:44 PM - Re: Tiny tach?? HKS (Larry Cottrell)
    11. 07:01 PM - Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience (Richard Girard)
    12. 07:15 PM - Re: Lithium Batteries (Richard Girard)
    13. 07:53 PM - Re: Lithium Batteries (Rick Neilsen)
    14. 08:00 PM - Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience (Dennis Thate)
    15. 08:09 PM - Re: Lithium Batteries (Richard Girard)
    16. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience (Rick Neilsen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:24:44 AM PST US
    From: McCarthy Tom <mccarthy@jefnet.com>
    Subject: Re: Tiny tach?? HKS
    Larry and all with HKS, Just for clarification for those who might in the future get a HKS, a standard Grand Rapids EIS set up for a four stroke will not work properly with a HKS. There is a special modification that they do at their factory that is specific to HKS that affects the pulse count on the tach. I've been through this already with mine. Tom McCarthy N514TM Zeinth 601 N414TM Firestar N863GB Slingshot


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    Time: 06:38:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun and Fun 2011 is Over
    From: "Kip" <klaurie@mindspring.com>
    It was good to talk with you, John, Travis, and the guys. I missed all the weather and it's a god thing...I would likely have been parked near the the tornado path. Good to hear that everyone is home safe... :D -------- 2000 Firestar II R503 DCDI VLS 750 2010 Waiex Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336159#336159


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    Time: 08:15:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    I have a new Kolb Firestar II and am in need of some quality transition experience to this low inertia/ high drag configuration aircraft. I'm looking for a experienced Kolb pilot with a KOLB MK 3 X-TRA or KOLB MARK II ELSA (2 SEATER) for some flight instruction or even ride along experience. I live in Southern Minnesota, and prefer someone within a 150 radius. Thanks ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336169#336169


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    Time: 09:36:37 AM PST US
    From: Bob Green <bgreen@bimi.org>
    Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/04/11
    Thanks John for the update on the trip to FL.. Glad you and the plane made it safe there and back. Thank you for being a great representative for Kolb and being a true pioneer in cross country flying of the Kolb MKIII. So glad no one from the Kolb family was hurt and certainly that no one else was seriously injured at the airshow. Talked to Travis Friday. John H, Rick N. and Richard P., Travis B., I am installing the windshield on my MKIIIX and have the lexan in place with clecos. I am a little concerned about the right side as the lexan seems to want to bubble or flex inward if I apply a little pressure. I would have thought the curves in the lexan would have caused it to be fairly ridged. I realize it is a long span for the lexan along the frame that forms the top of the door post. Do you all have any flexing in your windshields? I can foresee the windshield flexing in some at 80 mph. Any suggestions? Bob Green Building MKIIIX N830PB


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    Time: 11:28:22 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tiny tach?? HKS
    I just got off the phone with Sandy at Grand Rapids, (EIS) about my Tach reading. Tom got me to wondering if they had made the modification when I sent it in to be upgraded to a 4 stroke model. Sandy assured me that if I was getting any reading at all the modification had been indeed done. There are two white wires coming out of the engine that are usable for the Tach readings. One can switch to either one for a reading. Boyd thought that one of them should perhaps be grounded. Sandy told me that would work on a Rotax, but not on a HKS. One fella solved the problem by installing a switch so that he could switch between the two when one stopped working. She says that she has no clue why the inconsistent readings occur. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: McCarthy Tom To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tiny tach?? HKS Larry and all with HKS, Just for clarification for those who might in the future get a HKS, a standard Grand Rapids EIS set up for a four stroke will not work properly with a HKS. There is a special modification that they do at their factory that is specific to HKS that affects the pulse count on the tach. I've been through this already with mine. Tom McCarthy N514TM Zeinth 601 N414TM Firestar N863GB Slingshot


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    Time: 01:04:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Lithium Batteries
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    I ran across these Lithium starter batteries at the Wicks display at Sun N Fun. http://www.lithiumaviationbattery.com/index.html They claim to be safe using a LiFepo4 chemistry???? They also weigh 2lbs. or 1.7lbs in shrink wrap (the polycarbonate case with brass terminals just seem to be worth it) for the 200 cold cranking amp size in a polycarbonate case and sell for $200. My current 12 AH 155cca lead acid battery weighs about 10lbs and is on the marginal end of required power. They rate this at 200cca which would be a major improvement. They also claim three times the life of lead acid batteries. My interest is a savings of 8 lbs from my airplane. I worked very hard to save a few pounds when building my plane and it paid off but to save an additional 8 lbs for $200 doesn't sound that bad and if they last longer the price may no be that much more. Seems I pay about $45 for my lead acid batteries and the last 3-4 years if I keep a battery maintainer on it. I'm just throwing this out there. I may or my not buy this battery. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC


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    Time: 01:26:27 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Lithium Batteries
    My battery goes into my lawn mower after a few years. Drink lite beer, save the same 6 lbs, save money and enjoy life more. BB MkIII, suzuki cheap lawn mower battery mounted in front of the pedals. On 5, Apr 2011, at 4:02 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > I ran across these Lithium starter batteries at the Wicks display at Sun N Fun. http://www.lithiumaviationbattery.com/index.html > > They claim to be safe using a LiFepo4 chemistry???? They also weigh 2lbs. or 1.7lbs in shrink wrap (the polycarbonate case with brass terminals just seem to be worth it) for the 200 cold cranking amp size in a polycarbonate case and sell for $200. My current 12 AH 155cca lead acid battery weighs about 10lbs and is on the marginal end of required power. They rate this at 200cca which would be a major improvement. They also claim three times the life of lead acid batteries. > > My interest is a savings of 8 lbs from my airplane. I worked very hard to save a few pounds when building my plane and it paid off but to save an additional 8 lbs for $200 doesn't sound that bad and if they last longer the price may no be that much more. Seems I pay about $45 for my lead acid batteries and the last 3-4 years if I keep a battery maintainer on it. I'm just throwing this out there. I may or my not buy this battery. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > >


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    Time: 02:07:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/04/11
    From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush@gmail.com>
    Bob, I just finished final install of my windshield a few weeks ago. It's very stiff and I have no concern about wind deflection. You did use the 1/8" thick lexan and not the thinner stuff which is for the doors and window panels? Rex Mark III Xtra Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336218#336218


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    Time: 03:53:22 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Lithium Batteries
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> > .................... My interest is a savings of 8 lbs from my airplane. I worked very hard to save a few pounds when building my plane and it paid off but to save an additional 8 lbs for $200 doesn't sound that bad and if they last longer the price may no be that much more. Seems I pay about $45 for my lead acid batteries and the last 3-4 years if I keep a battery maintainer on it. I'm just throwing this out there. I may or my not buy this battery. > Rick, When I was having battery trouble, someone on the list suggested lithium batteries. I followed up on the idea and found the A123 batteries. Last Fall I started building up a battery assembly for the FireFly. As it stands today, it weighs in at 11.5 ounces. My biggest problem was finding someone who could weld the interconnecting leads onto the individual cells. I have taken photos of the process, but I have not assembled a page to describe the process. If there is interest, I will put up a page. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 06:44:08 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tiny tach?? HKS
    This is what I have learned about the HKS and Tach problems. I had thought that I was the only one experiencing problems with loss of RPM indication, but apparently that is not so. The three white wires coming out of the regulator are all capable of registering RPM's. In talking to Sandy at Grand Rapids EIS I found that they do not know why this sometimes happens, however she related to me that another person who had an HKS solved the problem by using a DPDT switch and hooking two of the white wires to it and just flipping between the two when one loses the signal. Kind of a perplexing solution to the problem, ingenious, but simple. I will do that as well and put a Tiny Tach on it as well. Thanks again for all your help. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: McCarthy Tom To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tiny tach?? HKS Larry and all with HKS, Just for clarification for those who might in the future get a HKS, a standard Grand Rapids EIS set up for a four stroke will not work properly with a HKS. There is a special modification that they do at their factory that is specific to HKS that affects the pulse count on the tach. I've been through this already with mine. Tom McCarthy N514TM Zeinth 601 N414TM Firestar N863GB Slingshot


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    Time: 07:01:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Dennis, It's a shame you aren't just a few miles further south, okay a lot of miles further south. Although I did a round trip to Bimidji in 36 hours (and that included about 5 hours for sleep and two to load up the trailer), it's still a ways to southern Kansas from where you are. A 150 doing an approach at 50 with half flaps will get you close performance wise and the seat height is similar to a Firestar. If you want to simulate the steepest approach use full flaps and press a rudder pedal to the floor in a forward slip. If you hold 50 you'll have pretty much the same energy retention on round out. It's not perfect, but it will get you into the steep approach sight picture of a Kolb. Also, practice wheeling it on rather than trying for a full stall landing. Rick Girard On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote: > > I have a new Kolb Firestar II and am in need of some quality transition > experience to this low inertia/ high drag configuration aircraft. > > > I'm looking for a experienced Kolb pilot with a KOLB MK 3 X-TRA or KOLB > MARK II ELSA (2 SEATER) for some flight instruction or even ride along > experience. > I live in Southern Minnesota, and prefer someone within a 150 radius. > > > Thanks ! > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336169#336169 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 07:15:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lithium Batteries
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Rick, The only thing I would fret about, besides the price, is how it would handle a deep discharge without a special charger to first warm the battery and then ramp up the charge rate. I'm with Bob Bean, get an 18 or 20 amp AGM and pocket the cash. Rick Girard On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: > I ran across these Lithium starter batteries at the Wicks display at Sun N > Fun. http://www.lithiumaviationbattery.com/index.html > > They claim to be safe using a LiFepo4 chemistry???? They also weigh 2lbs. > or 1.7lbs in shrink wrap (the polycarbonate case with brass terminals just > seem to be worth it) for the 200 cold cranking amp size in a polycarbonate > case and sell for $200. My current 12 AH 155cca lead acid battery weighs > about 10lbs and is on the marginal end of required power. They rate this at > 200cca which would be a major improvement. They also claim three times the > life of lead acid batteries. > > My interest is a savings of 8 lbs from my airplane. I worked very hard to > save a few pounds when building my plane and it paid off but to save an > additional 8 lbs for $200 doesn't sound that bad and if they last longer the > price may no be that much more. Seems I pay about $45 for my lead acid > batteries and the last 3-4 years if I keep a battery maintainer on it. I'm > just throwing this out there. I may or my not buy this battery. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 07:53:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lithium Batteries
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Rick Let me try this one last time as clearly as I can. "I like the idea of saving 8lbs"! A 18-20 amp AGM would add more weight and be more expensive than what I have been flying with for the last 12years in my Kolb. The cost is a big factor. The deep discharge concern with a battery that has 50% more capacity than what I have been using successfully doesn't seem like a issue till it is near its useful life. Thank you for your interest. Do Not Archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: > Rick, The only thing I would fret about, besides the price, is how it would > handle a deep discharge without a special charger to first warm the battery > and then ramp up the charge rate. I'm with Bob Bean, get an 18 or 20 amp AGM > and pocket the cash. > > Rick Girard > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I ran across these Lithium starter batteries at the Wicks display at Sun N >> Fun. http://www.lithiumaviationbattery.com/index.html >> >> They claim to be safe using a LiFepo4 chemistry???? They also weigh 2lbs. >> or 1.7lbs in shrink wrap (the polycarbonate case with brass terminals just >> seem to be worth it) for the 200 cold cranking amp size in a polycarbonate >> case and sell for $200. My current 12 AH 155cca lead acid battery weighs >> about 10lbs and is on the marginal end of required power. They rate this at >> 200cca which would be a major improvement. They also claim three times the >> life of lead acid batteries. >> >> My interest is a savings of 8 lbs from my airplane. I worked very hard to >> save a few pounds when building my plane and it paid off but to save an >> additional 8 lbs for $200 doesn't sound that bad and if they last longer the >> price may no be that much more. Seems I pay about $45 for my lead acid >> batteries and the last 3-4 years if I keep a battery maintainer on it. I'm >> just throwing this out there. I may or my not buy this battery. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 08:00:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    Thanks Rick, I'm getting my BFR next week in a Cessna 150, I try just that. Dennis -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336255#336255


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    Time: 08:09:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lithium Batteries
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Rick, I run an AGM 20 amp hour battery that cost me $36 at the battery shop in Wichita. It's the same form factor as an Odyssey PC 680. It's been in the aircraft for 5 years and still starts my 582 when the temps are down to freezing and I don't use a trickle charger, I just fly at least once a month all year long. Rick On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: > Rick > > Let me try this one last time as clearly as I can. "I like the idea of > saving 8lbs"! > > A 18-20 amp AGM would add more weight and be more expensive than what I > have been flying with for the last 12years in my Kolb. > > The cost is a big factor. The deep discharge concern with a battery that > has 50% more capacity than what I have been using successfully doesn't seem > like a issue till it is near its useful life. > > Thank you for your interest. > > Do Not Archive > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Rick, The only thing I would fret about, besides the price, is how it >> would handle a deep discharge without a special charger to first warm the >> battery and then ramp up the charge rate. I'm with Bob Bean, get an 18 or 20 >> amp AGM and pocket the cash. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I ran across these Lithium starter batteries at the Wicks display at Sun >>> N Fun. http://www.lithiumaviationbattery.com/index.html >>> >>> They claim to be safe using a LiFepo4 chemistry???? They also weigh 2lbs. >>> or 1.7lbs in shrink wrap (the polycarbonate case with brass terminals just >>> seem to be worth it) for the 200 cold cranking amp size in a polycarbonate >>> case and sell for $200. My current 12 AH 155cca lead acid battery weighs >>> about 10lbs and is on the marginal end of required power. They rate this at >>> 200cca which would be a major improvement. They also claim three times the >>> life of lead acid batteries. >>> >>> My interest is a savings of 8 lbs from my airplane. I worked very hard to >>> save a few pounds when building my plane and it paid off but to save an >>> additional 8 lbs for $200 doesn't sound that bad and if they last longer the >>> price may no be that much more. Seems I pay about $45 for my lead acid >>> batteries and the last 3-4 years if I keep a battery maintainer on it. I'm >>> just throwing this out there. I may or my not buy this battery. >>> >>> Rick Neilsen >>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >>> >>> * >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Zulu Delta >> Mk IIIC >> Thanks, Homer GBYM >> >> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be >> unhappy. >> - Groucho Marx >> >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 09:28:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Dennis The Firestar is a hot rod and a 150 is a slug. The 150 will give you a good refresher in flying and that is good but it will not fly like a Firestar no matter what you do and that is a good thing. The only problem you will have after a BFR is in the landing. Just keep lots of power on during your approach and flair, you will be fine. The trick is to keep enough power on to make it land like a 150. Then very gradually start reducing power each time a bit more. Just just don't get too overconfident and chop the power before you are comfortable (maybe 20 plus landings) flying within a few inches of the ground before you flair. The general rule is you bend two sets of gear before you lean to land it correctly. It keeps Kolb in business. No seriously just keep some power on and it will flair sort of like a 150 then reduce power and it will settle in without bending anything. Also find a nice long GRASS runway. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote: > > Thanks Rick, > > I'm getting my BFR next week in a Cessna 150, I try just that. > > > Dennis > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336255#336255 > >




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