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1. 06:25 AM - Re: MK3 Stol performance (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
2. 10:03 AM - Re: Firestar II for sale (Ozarkflyer)
3. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II for sale (Mike Welch)
4. 11:35 AM - Re: MK3 Stol performance (turbot)
5. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II for sale (Mike Welch)
6. 01:33 PM - Mark III STOL performance (Lanny Fetterman)
7. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: MK3 Stol performance (Dana Hague)
8. 07:06 PM - Re: Mark III STOL performance (Robert Laird)
9. 09:00 PM - Downwind landing tips? (clrprop)
10. 10:17 PM - Re: Downwind landing tips? (Rick Neilsen)
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Subject: | Re: MK3 Stol performance |
I have built & flown a Highlander from Just aircraft and I am not impress
ed with the airplane
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK3 Stol performance
I met a fellow who had one of those....87,000 bucks....Herb
At 09:40 AM 4/7/2011, you wrote:
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>You might want to take a look at the Highlander from Just Aircraft.
>YouTube "Highlander"
>or Google "Just Aircraft".
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>From: "turbot" <turbot@shaw.ca>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: MK3 Stol performance
>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:21:40 -0700
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>I am in the market for a 2 place folding wing aircraft.
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>What is the general opinion of a Mk3 compared to a Kitfox / Avid ?
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Subject: | Re: Firestar II for sale |
Where is the Firestar located and can you send pics?
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Subject: | Re: Firestar II for sale |
Hi=2C I'm Mike Welch=2C a regular on the Kolb list=2C almost finished build
ing a MkIII Xtra.
I see by your email address with Matronics you call yourself Ozarkflyer.
I was
curious where you live=2C since I live near Lake of the Ozarks ( in Camdent
on=2C MO).
Is the Ozarks where you are from=2C or where you live now?
Mike
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale
> From: lragan@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri=2C 8 Apr 2011 10:00:41 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
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> Where is the Firestar located and can you send pics?
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Subject: | Re: MK3 Stol performance |
Good Day
The Highlander is to expensive & very few on used market.
I ask about STOL perf here because very little is said about it here, where as
the Fox/flyer forums mention weight, landing & takeoff roll alot.
The early Fox/flyers had wings designed strictly for stol, & latter changed for
increased speed. After a year of lurking here I cant remember anyone comparing
airfoils in regards to low speed lift.
Hi,
there are planes with better wing fold systems but with big tyres (tires)
the Xtra will take some beating for STOL performance from a rough field
Pat
Is the Fox/flyer folding system better than Kolbs ?
This is important as our shed door is only 15' wide.
Is an Extra a better choice for stol / rough that a Mk3 ?
I have not been in a MK3 , so the comments about more interior room are appreciated.
Better visibility would be a plus to.
Thanks for all comments, keep them coming
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Subject: | Re: Firestar II for sale |
Kolb list people=2C
Apologies for this email. It was supposed to be a private email to "Ozar
kflyer"!!
I wrote it=2C put in his email address=2C and saved it in my 'drafts' fol
der=2C so I could check
on something. After I came back=2C I didn't notice the Kolb list Matronics
address was
reinserted. Oops!
At any rate.......where are you located Ozarkflyer?
Mike Welch
do not archive
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale
Hi=2C I'm Mike Welch=2C a regular on the Kolb list=2C almost finished build
ing a MkIII Xtra.
I see by your email address with Matronics you call yourself Ozarkflyer.
I was
curious where you live=2C since I live near Lake of the Ozarks ( in Camdent
on=2C MO).
Is the Ozarks where you are from=2C or where you live now?
Mike
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale
> From: lragan@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri=2C 8 Apr 2011 10:00:41 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
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> Where is the Firestar located and can you send pics?
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Subject: | Mark III STOL performance |
Hi, I fly a FSII, and have never flown a Mark III, so I am no expert
on the Mark III performance. However, I think the reason we don`t
discuss STOL performance on the Kolb list, is because the Kolb line
of aircraft is notorious for taking off and climbing like a sick
angel. Numerous times, after taking off in front of other people,
mostly other pilots. I have heard the comment "I have never seen an
aircraft climb like that" after I landed. (And I don`t hang on the
prop) If STOL is one of the main things you are looking for in an
aircraft, you won`t be sorry with a correctly built Kolb. Just my two
cents. Lanny N598LF
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Subject: | Re: MK3 Stol performance |
At 02:33 PM 4/8/2011, turbot wrote:
>Is the Fox/flyer folding system better than Kolbs ?
>This is important as our shed door is only 15' wide.
The Kitfox wing fold system is probably easier than even the Kolb... just
pull the pin at the front strut and fold it back. No strut removal, and no
need to fold the tail. I believe it's still within the 8'5" max highway
trailer width. It probably also needs less door clearance on top since
it's not a high mounted pusher engine. I've never flown one though, gotta
hit my buddy up for a ride.
-Dana
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"The difference between death and taxes is death doesn't get worse every
time Congress meets." -- Will Rogers
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Subject: | Re: Mark III STOL performance |
No doubt, Lanny meant "HOMEsick angel".... Not "sick angel"... that's how a
Quicksilver climbs. ;-)
1200-1400 fpm climb is normal for my MkIIIC.
-- Robert
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Hi, I fly a FSII, and have never flown a Mark III, so I am no expert on the
> Mark III performance. However, I think the reason we don`t discuss STOL
> performance on the Kolb list, is because the Kolb line of aircraft is
> notorious for taking off and climbing like a sick angel. Numerous times,
> after taking off in front of other people, mostly other pilots. I have heard
> the comment "I have never seen an aircraft climb like that" after I landed.
> (And I don`t hang on the prop) If STOL is one of the main things you are
> looking for in an aircraft, you won`t be sorry with a correctly built Kolb.
> Just my two cents. Lanny N598LF
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Subject: | Downwind landing tips? |
I'm in the process of making my own strip. I'll have one way out and one way in.
Prevailing winds are downwind for landing.
Any helpful hints on the best way to execute a downwind landing in a Mark III,
582 on a short runway?
I plan to practice a bunch before I try it at home...
1st plane, +/- 100 hrs.
Thanks
KT
Mark III
NC
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Subject: | Re: Downwind landing tips? |
KT
I flew my MKIIIC out of a one way strip for 11 years. Many up and down wind
landings. The strip is 1400 ft down hill going out and up hill going in
with tall trees on three sides.
Practice with no wind and work up to it. I actually preferred down wind over
up wind landings. When landing down wind my air speed would increase near
the ground where I would be sheltered from the wind. When landing up wind
airspeed would decrease just as I was flaring for landing. When landing up
wind I would add a bit of speed and power. Down wind decrease speed and
power. Make sure you have plenty of length. With the hill my 1400 ft was
plenty most of the time. I always used one notch of flaps to reduce the
float in ground effect. If you have a strip like mine you have to keep your
head in it for every landing because there was no aborted landings by going
around after I reached about 200' from the approach end of the strip. I had
tall trees on both sides of the runway after the first few hundred feet.
Down wind takeoffs were never a problem.
I can remember one down wind approach where I was landing way too high and
fast to get stopped. I did a 90 degree turn right before the end of the
runway while trying to climb above the trees. I experienced the closer view
of a tree line than I will ever want to see again. Paid better attention
after that. I also thanked Homer big time for designing such a forgiving
airplane.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:58 PM, clrprop <ktony@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I'm in the process of making my own strip. I'll have one way out and one
> way in. Prevailing winds are downwind for landing.
> Any helpful hints on the best way to execute a downwind landing in a Mark
> III, 582 on a short runway?
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> I plan to practice a bunch before I try it at home...
> 1st plane, +/- 100 hrs.
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> Thanks
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> KT
> Mark III
> NC
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336431#336431
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