---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/08/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:25 AM - Re: MK3 Stol performance (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 2. 10:03 AM - Re: Firestar II for sale (Ozarkflyer) 3. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II for sale (Mike Welch) 4. 11:35 AM - Re: MK3 Stol performance (turbot) 5. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II for sale (Mike Welch) 6. 01:33 PM - Mark III STOL performance (Lanny Fetterman) 7. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: MK3 Stol performance (Dana Hague) 8. 07:06 PM - Re: Mark III STOL performance (Robert Laird) 9. 09:00 PM - Downwind landing tips? (clrprop) 10. 10:17 PM - Re: Downwind landing tips? (Rick Neilsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK3 Stol performance From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I have built & flown a Highlander from Just aircraft and I am not impress ed with the airplane Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Herb Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK3 Stol performance I met a fellow who had one of those....87,000 bucks....Herb At 09:40 AM 4/7/2011, you wrote: > >You might want to take a look at the Highlander from Just Aircraft. >YouTube "Highlander" >or Google "Just Aircraft". > > >--- turbot@shaw.ca wrote: > >From: "turbot" >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: MK3 Stol performance >Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:21:40 -0700 > > >I am in the market for a 2 place folding wing aircraft. > >Will be flown from an unimproved farm field. Cruise speed is of no >conce rn, STOL perf & rough field use are . > >What is the general opinion of a Mk3 compared to a Kitfox / Avid ? > >Thanks > > > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336331#336331 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale From: "Ozarkflyer" Where is the Firestar located and can you send pics? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336405#336405 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:07 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale Hi=2C I'm Mike Welch=2C a regular on the Kolb list=2C almost finished build ing a MkIII Xtra. I see by your email address with Matronics you call yourself Ozarkflyer. I was curious where you live=2C since I live near Lake of the Ozarks ( in Camdent on=2C MO). Is the Ozarks where you are from=2C or where you live now? Mike > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale > From: lragan@hotmail.com > Date: Fri=2C 8 Apr 2011 10:00:41 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Where is the Firestar located and can you send pics? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK3 Stol performance From: "turbot" Good Day The Highlander is to expensive & very few on used market. I ask about STOL perf here because very little is said about it here, where as the Fox/flyer forums mention weight, landing & takeoff roll alot. The early Fox/flyers had wings designed strictly for stol, & latter changed for increased speed. After a year of lurking here I cant remember anyone comparing airfoils in regards to low speed lift. Hi, there are planes with better wing fold systems but with big tyres (tires) the Xtra will take some beating for STOL performance from a rough field Pat Is the Fox/flyer folding system better than Kolbs ? This is important as our shed door is only 15' wide. Is an Extra a better choice for stol / rough that a Mk3 ? I have not been in a MK3 , so the comments about more interior room are appreciated. Better visibility would be a plus to. Thanks for all comments, keep them coming Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336412#336412 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:14 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale Kolb list people=2C Apologies for this email. It was supposed to be a private email to "Ozar kflyer"!! I wrote it=2C put in his email address=2C and saved it in my 'drafts' fol der=2C so I could check on something. After I came back=2C I didn't notice the Kolb list Matronics address was reinserted. Oops! At any rate.......where are you located Ozarkflyer? Mike Welch do not archive From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale Hi=2C I'm Mike Welch=2C a regular on the Kolb list=2C almost finished build ing a MkIII Xtra. I see by your email address with Matronics you call yourself Ozarkflyer. I was curious where you live=2C since I live near Lake of the Ozarks ( in Camdent on=2C MO). Is the Ozarks where you are from=2C or where you live now? Mike > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II for sale > From: lragan@hotmail.com > Date: Fri=2C 8 Apr 2011 10:00:41 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Where is the Firestar located and can you send pics? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:22 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III STOL performance Hi, I fly a FSII, and have never flown a Mark III, so I am no expert on the Mark III performance. However, I think the reason we don`t discuss STOL performance on the Kolb list, is because the Kolb line of aircraft is notorious for taking off and climbing like a sick angel. Numerous times, after taking off in front of other people, mostly other pilots. I have heard the comment "I have never seen an aircraft climb like that" after I landed. (And I don`t hang on the prop) If STOL is one of the main things you are looking for in an aircraft, you won`t be sorry with a correctly built Kolb. Just my two cents. Lanny N598LF ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:08 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MK3 Stol performance At 02:33 PM 4/8/2011, turbot wrote: >Is the Fox/flyer folding system better than Kolbs ? >This is important as our shed door is only 15' wide. The Kitfox wing fold system is probably easier than even the Kolb... just pull the pin at the front strut and fold it back. No strut removal, and no need to fold the tail. I believe it's still within the 8'5" max highway trailer width. It probably also needs less door clearance on top since it's not a high mounted pusher engine. I've never flown one though, gotta hit my buddy up for a ride. -Dana -- "The difference between death and taxes is death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets." -- Will Rogers ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III STOL performance From: Robert Laird No doubt, Lanny meant "HOMEsick angel".... Not "sick angel"... that's how a Quicksilver climbs. ;-) 1200-1400 fpm climb is normal for my MkIIIC. -- Robert On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > > Hi, I fly a FSII, and have never flown a Mark III, so I am no expert on the > Mark III performance. However, I think the reason we don`t discuss STOL > performance on the Kolb list, is because the Kolb line of aircraft is > notorious for taking off and climbing like a sick angel. Numerous times, > after taking off in front of other people, mostly other pilots. I have heard > the comment "I have never seen an aircraft climb like that" after I landed. > (And I don`t hang on the prop) If STOL is one of the main things you are > looking for in an aircraft, you won`t be sorry with a correctly built Kolb. > Just my two cents. Lanny N598LF > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Downwind landing tips? From: "clrprop" I'm in the process of making my own strip. I'll have one way out and one way in. Prevailing winds are downwind for landing. Any helpful hints on the best way to execute a downwind landing in a Mark III, 582 on a short runway? I plan to practice a bunch before I try it at home... 1st plane, +/- 100 hrs. Thanks KT Mark III NC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336431#336431 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind landing tips? From: Rick Neilsen KT I flew my MKIIIC out of a one way strip for 11 years. Many up and down wind landings. The strip is 1400 ft down hill going out and up hill going in with tall trees on three sides. Practice with no wind and work up to it. I actually preferred down wind over up wind landings. When landing down wind my air speed would increase near the ground where I would be sheltered from the wind. When landing up wind airspeed would decrease just as I was flaring for landing. When landing up wind I would add a bit of speed and power. Down wind decrease speed and power. Make sure you have plenty of length. With the hill my 1400 ft was plenty most of the time. I always used one notch of flaps to reduce the float in ground effect. If you have a strip like mine you have to keep your head in it for every landing because there was no aborted landings by going around after I reached about 200' from the approach end of the strip. I had tall trees on both sides of the runway after the first few hundred feet. Down wind takeoffs were never a problem. I can remember one down wind approach where I was landing way too high and fast to get stopped. I did a 90 degree turn right before the end of the runway while trying to climb above the trees. I experienced the closer view of a tree line than I will ever want to see again. Paid better attention after that. I also thanked Homer big time for designing such a forgiving airplane. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:58 PM, clrprop wrote: > > I'm in the process of making my own strip. I'll have one way out and one > way in. Prevailing winds are downwind for landing. > Any helpful hints on the best way to execute a downwind landing in a Mark > III, 582 on a short runway? > > I plan to practice a bunch before I try it at home... > 1st plane, +/- 100 hrs. > > Thanks > > KT > Mark III > NC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336431#336431 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.