---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/09/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:25 AM - Re: Re: Selling stuff???? (Robert Dresden) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: pusher airplanes (Larry Cottrell) 3. 07:45 AM - Re: pusher airplanes (Sheila Slinkard) 4. 08:48 AM - Re: pusher airplanes (Sheila Slinkard) 5. 10:30 AM - Custom fuel tanks (Ben Ransom) 6. 10:31 AM - Re: pusher airplanes (robert bean) 7. 02:38 PM - FSII rear enclosure for sale (Richard Pike) 8. 07:26 PM - Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale (Larry Cottrell) 9. 08:23 PM - Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale (Jerry Deckard) 10. 10:14 PM - Re: When is balance balanced? (Guy Swenson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Selling stuff???? From: Robert Dresden Richard, I will gladly remove the rear enclosure from your hanger! I guess I would bid $50 to start. I ordered the enclosure kit from Kolb, but it came without one. Travis told me they no longer had them, but the price was the same anyway. Gets darn Cold in Colorado flying. Thanks for the thought. Bob Dresden On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Not at all. > Because I still have some FSII parts to sell, especially a soft fabric and > vinyl rear enclosure, and a right wing. A hub extension for an Ivoprop. And > a bunch of stuff that basically needs to get out of the hangar. > > No reasonable offer refused! > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339263#339263 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:49 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Hello The material that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. Please feel free to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any further questions or concerns. Thank you, Berta Thaman United States Plastic Corp.=AE Technical Support Representative ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Bob, For what it is worth I asked for clarification on why the tank is not rated for gasoline. The above is what they sent me. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes sorry, address faux pas Larry, the latest installation came from: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&catid=816 pn 75001 -the heavyweight jugs. I Ignored the "not for fuel" disclaimer. They really are heavy wall and stiff. The only downside is the 63mm opening which makes fitting a dip tube a challenge. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:53 AM PST US From: "Sheila Slinkard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes You want a fool proof gas tank? Make one out of polyurethane 1/4 inch foam sandwiched both sides 2 ply glass cloth using vinyl ester resin. Piece it into your Kolb cage in any volume you desire. We use them in our glasair header tanks. Materials can be had at Aircraft Spruce. Andy-Mesa Wash. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Hello The material that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. Please feel free to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any further questions or concerns. Thank you, Berta Thaman United States Plastic Corp.=AE Technical Support Representative ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Bob, For what it is worth I asked for clarification on why the tank is not rated for gasoline. The above is what they sent me. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes sorry, address faux pas Larry, the latest installation came from: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&catid=816 pn 75001 -the heavyweight jugs. I Ignored the "not for fuel" disclaimer. They really are heavy wall and stiff. The only downside is the 63mm opening which makes fitting a dip tube a challenge. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:09 AM PST US From: "Sheila Slinkard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Addition: It is obvious this custom tank must be accomplished before cage is covered. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Hello The material that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. Please feel free to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any further questions or concerns. Thank you, Berta Thaman United States Plastic Corp.=AE Technical Support Representative ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Bob, For what it is worth I asked for clarification on why the tank is not rated for gasoline. The above is what they sent me. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes sorry, address faux pas Larry, the latest installation came from: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&catid=816 pn 75001 -the heavyweight jugs. I Ignored the "not for fuel" disclaimer. They really are heavy wall and stiff. The only downside is the 63mm opening which makes fitting a dip tube a challenge. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:28 AM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Kolb-List: Custom fuel tanks Way back, I made a custom fit fiberglass tank for my Kolb. Had to chalk it up to an 'educational experience'. I had used fiberglass and fuel-proof e poxy (over a male plug). Even with one anti-slosh stiffener in the middle, it was too flexible and expanded just under the load of a static fill. Do h! Getting to a bigger tank is on my list (like so many things), and I'll either do the foam core glass tank suggested here, or make one out of alumi num, with rivets and proseal. Currently I'm still only at 5gallons. -Ben From: Sheila Slinkard > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Addition: It is obvious this custom tank must be accomplished before cage is covered. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Hello The material that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. Please feel free to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any furt her questions or concerns. Thank you, Berta Thaman United States Plastic Corp.=AE Technical Support Representative --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- Bob, For what it is worth I asked for clarification on why the tank is not ra ted for gasoline. The above is what they sent me. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, whic h includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes sorry, address faux pas Larry, the latest installation came from: http://www.usplastic.com/catalo g/item.aspx?itemid=22694&catid=816 pn 75001 -the heavyweight jugs. I Ignored the "not for fuel" disclaimer. They really are heavy wall and stiff. The only downside is the 63mm opening which makes fitting a dip tube a challenge. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:37 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes HDPE is surface treated (fluorinated) to give resistance to petroleum products. These are not, as I suspect most of the ones flying around in Kolbs and other UL airplanes are not either. I looked fairly extensively and could not find any in a heavy wall configuration. The regular stuff will normally tend to lose a certain amount of weight and actually become more rigid with age due to absorption of the more volatile components by the gasoline. Nalgene makes very good treated containers but I could not find any in our standard configuration. I'll let y'all know how these work out. BB On 9, May 2011, at 9:56 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Hello > > The material that they are made of is not compatible with gasoline. > > Please feel free to contact us Mon-Fri 8:00 am - 5:00 pm EST, with any further questions or concerns. > > Thank you, > > Berta Thaman > United States Plastic Corp.=AE > Technical Support Representative > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- > > Bob, > For what it is worth I asked for clarification on why the tank is not rated for gasoline. The above is what they sent me. > Larry > > Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert bean > To: kolb > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:12 PM > Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes > > sorry, address faux pas > >>> >>> >>> Larry, the latest installation came from: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&catid=816 >>> pn 75001 -the heavyweight jugs. I Ignored the "not for fuel" disclaimer. They really are heavy wall and stiff. The only downside >>> is the 63mm opening which makes fitting a dip tube a challenge. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale From: "Richard Pike" Got a huge response of interest on this thing, called Ed and asked him what he wanted for it - $75 plus shipping. It was not damaged in the crash and is in good shape, it has hung on the hangar wall for the last 2 years so the windows need to be polished up with some plastic polish, but aside from that it is good to go. I hosed the pollen off and laid it out on the deck to take these pictures of it - what you see is what you get. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339344#339344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190636_large_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190638_large_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190640_large_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190641_large_927.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:42 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale I have an extra one as well. A point of interest concerning the rear enclosure, mine cut my cruise by 2-4 MPH. I also have a Silencer for a single carb 447. It took the whine out of the engine and mellowed the sound by a noticeable amount. You will have to change jets however. That should save a bit of gas as well. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale Got a huge response of interest on this thing, called Ed and asked him what he wanted for it - $75 plus shipping. It was not damaged in the crash and is in good shape, it has hung on the hangar wall for the last 2 years so the windows need to be polished up with some plastic polish, but aside from that it is good to go. I hosed the pollen off and laid it out on the deck to take these pictures of it - what you see is what you get. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339344#339344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190636_large_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190638_large_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190640_large_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190641_large_927.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:11 PM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale That is interesting. The reason I was thinking of enclosing the rear that it may increase the cruise speed. I was thinking it would streamline it more. Guess not. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale I have an extra one as well. A point of interest concerning the rear enclosure, mine cut my cruise by 2-4 MPH. I also have a Silencer for a single carb 447. It took the whine out of the engine and mellowed the sound by a noticeable amount. You will have to change jets however. That should save a bit of gas as well. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale Got a huge response of interest on this thing, called Ed and asked him what he wanted for it - $75 plus shipping. It was not damaged in the crash and is in good shape, it has hung on the hangar wall for the last 2 years so the windows need to be polished up with some plastic polish, but aside from that it is good to go. I hosed the pollen off and laid it out on the deck to take these pictures of it - what you see is what you get. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339344#339344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190636_large_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190638_large_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190640_large_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1190641_large_927.jpg http://www.matronicp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:21 PM PST US From: "Guy Swenson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced? Hi Mike, Did you ever get the answer you were looking for? I have a MKIII Xtra with balanced ailerons only, the elevators and rudder are not balanced and do not need to be. The balancers you describe sound like the ones I used on my ailerons! If you would like some pictures let me know off line and I will send you some. My e-mail is guyandjodi@bvillemn.net . I don't spend as much time on the list as I would like to, too many projects not enough time, but I would be glad to help you with this if I can. I see by your tail pictures you have the original MKIII Xtra horizontal stabilizer (4 corner) that's the one I have on my Xtra. Let me know if I can help. Guy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced? Kolb guys, In consideration of Bob Green, I'm going to do my part to bring up a question to the Kolb list members; I'm in the middle of fabricating balance rods for my MkIII's elevator(s). I have the "4 sided" horizontal stabilizers like some Xtras have, with the outer dimension close to 11" or so (see photo). The balance rods consist of 3/4" chromoly tubing, with a 3" welded "T" stub that inserts into the elevator's main tube and will be riveted. At the moment, the rods are about 12" long, and run the full length alongside the hor. stabs. Here's the dilemma!! Even when I slide in 7" long solid steel weight rods into the ends of the the balance rod tubes, this still doesn't come close to "blanacing" the elevators. In fact, it takes quite a bit more solid steel rod, hung out on the end of the balance tubes to get it to 'act' level. While I'm monkeying around with various weights, in occurs to me (duh!) that if I want to 'balance' the elevators......I'm going to need close to the full weight of the elevators!! I can't say that I like this!! In order to achieve a true and complete elevator balance, I will need to add a fair amount of steel rod! (photos on request) Here's my question; For you guys that have the elevator balance rods, did you really add so much weight that the elevator was truely balanced, or did you possibly just add 'some' weight, that would act like a reasonably decent counter-balance? I know another way to solve my problem would be to lengthen the balance rods, say...from their present 12" length (which doens't work at the moment, unless they were maybe filled with lead), to extend out in front of the hor. stabs 6", to something like 18" overall. I sure DO NOT like this solution, since, IMO, it looks like the balance rods were a complete afterthought (which they were). Still....I don't want them to look dopey!! What did you guys do to balance your elevator? Nothing? .....Some weight, but not a complete balance? Or did you just add enough rod length to keep the weight low? I'm kind of at a loss at the moment, any thoughts?????? Mike Welch very unbalanced, quite possibly unstable, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.