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1. 05:37 AM - Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale (Kolb Aircraft)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: When is balance balanced? (Mike Welch)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale (Richard Pike)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In (Gary Haley)
5. 11:49 AM - Re: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In (Rick Neilsen)
6. 08:09 PM - Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale (Robert Dresden)
7. 10:02 PM - Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale (Larry Cottrell)
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Subject: | Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale |
That is a good price.
It cost more than that a few years back just to get them made.
Brian just did a complete build for Japan and he did a full cabin enclosure
with 060 Lexan. It looked awesome.
He will upload to youtube soon.
Travis
Kolb CO.
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From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale
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> Got a huge response of interest on this thing, called Ed and asked him
> what he wanted for it - $75 plus shipping. It was not damaged in the crash
> and is in good shape, it has hung on the hangar wall for the last 2 years
> so the windows need to be polished up with some plastic polish, but aside
> from that it is good to go. I hosed the pollen off and laid it out on the
> deck to take these pictures of it - what you see is what you get.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | When is balance balanced? |
Hi Guy=2C
Yes=2C I did make and install the spades/balancers. I also finished both
fiberglass
drooped wingtips=2C and installed them=2C too. In fact=2C the whole plane
is 'almost' done.
I will send you an email so you can send me back some photos of your bala
ncers. I'd
really like to see what you did!! On mine=2C with everything unhooked and
the ailerons
hanging loose=2C when I clecoed on the balancers=2C they hung in balance pe
rfectly=2C both of
them.
One thing that really surprised me was how much more noticeable the stick
movement
became. All these years=2C with no balancers=2C I was used to a relatively
light stick movement=2C
left and right. But=2C after installing the balancers=2C I was surprised t
o find that they were VERY
noticeable. I guess this would make sense=2C though=2C since adding the we
ight of the balancers
almost doubled the mass of the ailerons alone. Still=2C I just thought it
was odd..... Not used
to it=2C I guess.
The heavier stick forces SHOULD go away as the plane takes flight. The s
pade part of the
balancer is supposed to reduce the stick forces.
Mike Welch
in sweltering MO
MkIII N212MN
From: guyandjodi@bvillemn.net
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced?
Hi Mike=2C
Did you ever get the answer you were looking for? I have a MKIII Xtra with
balanced ailerons only=2C the elevators and rudder are not balanced and do
not need to be. The balancers you describe sound like the ones I used on my
ailerons! If you would like some pictures let me know off line and I will
send you some. My e-mail is guyandjodi@bvillemn.net . I don=92t spend as m
uch time on the list as I would like to=2C too many projects not enough tim
e=2C but I would be glad to help you with this if I can. I see by your tail
pictures you have the original MKIII Xtra horizontal stabilizer (4 corner)
that=92s the one I have on my Xtra.
Let me know if I can help.
Guy
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Saturday=2C April 23=2C 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced?
Kolb guys=2C
In consideration of Bob Green=2C I'm going to do my part to bring up a qu
estion
to the Kolb list members=3B
I'm in the middle of fabricating balance rods for my MkIII's elevator(s).
I have the
"4 sided" horizontal stabilizers like some Xtras have=2C with the outer dim
ension close
to 11" or so (see photo).
The balance rods consist of 3/4" chromoly tubing=2C with a 3" welded "T"
stub that inserts
into the elevator's main tube and will be riveted. At the moment=2C the ro
ds are about 12" long=2C
and run the full length alongside the hor. stabs.
Here's the dilemma!! Even when I slide in 7" long solid steel weight rod
s into the ends of the
the balance rod tubes=2C this still doesn't come close to "blanacing" the e
levators. In fact=2C it takes
quite a bit more solid steel rod=2C hung out on the end of the balance tube
s to get it to 'act' level.
While I'm monkeying around with various weights=2C in occurs to me (duh!)
that if I want to
'balance' the elevators......I'm going to need close to the full weight of
the elevators!! I can't
say that I like this!! In order to achieve a true and complete elevator ba
lance=2C I will need to
add a fair amount of steel rod! (photos on request)
Here's my question=3B For you guys that have the elevator balance rods
=2C did you really add
so much weight that the elevator was truely balanced=2C or did you possibly
just add 'some'
weight=2C that would act like a reasonably decent counter-balance?
I know another way to solve my problem would be to lengthen the balance r
ods=2C say...from their
present 12" length (which doens't work at the moment=2C unless they were ma
ybe filled with lead)=2C
to extend out in front of the hor. stabs 6"=2C to something like 18" overal
l. I sure DO NOT like this
solution=2C since=2C IMO=2C it looks like the balance rods were a complete
afterthought (which they were).
Still....I don't want them to look dopey!!
What did you guys do to balance your elevator? Nothing? .....Some weigh
t=2C but not a complete
balance? Or did you just add enough rod length to keep the weight low?
I'm kind of at a loss at the moment=2C any thoughts??????
Mike Welch
very unbalanced=2C quite possibly unstable=2C too.
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Subject: | Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale |
[quote="lcottrell"] A point of interest concerning the rear enclosure, mine cut
my cruise by 2-4 MPH.
Larry [quote]
Yes it does, that is why when we had it on N582EF the first time around, we made
some lexan fairings to fair the aft side of the enclosure in and clean it up.
They made a big difference. Pictures and explanation here:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Latch.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In |
Jimmy,
Thanks for the pictures, looks like it was a good one.
Wish I had thought about it and told you about a fly-in at Dry Creek on Saturday.
It was my big "70" birthday bash.
A lot of my friends just fly over and if my hanger door is open they stop in.
You are welcome to stop in any time.
G
--- jdy100@comcast.net wrote:
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In
Finally got a much needed full day of Kolb flying in on Saturday, literally the
first decent WX weekend all spring. Had a great flight, the Firestar ran beautifully.
There are a lot of bigger RV's, GA & Warbirds at this fly-in, but the
Firestar seems to always draws a crowd. WX got a bit hot & windy on the flight
back and took me 2.5 hrs to get home (about 110 miles). Climbed to 4800 agl
& still was into 800 fpm thermals! Ended up dropping down to around 700' & just
enjoyed the scenery all the way home. Flew a total of 5.7 hrs, just about as
much as I've flown all year!
Looking forward to more good weekends,
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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Subject: | Re: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In |
Gary
Good to hear from you. Been a long time. Didn't know you were
soooo... experienced.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Gary Haley <ghaley@wt.net> wrote:
>
> Jimmy,
> Thanks for the pictures, looks like it was a good one.
> Wish I had thought about it and told you about a fly-in at Dry Creek on
> Saturday.
> It was my big "70" birthday bash.
> A lot of my friends just fly over and if my hanger door is open they stop
> in.
> You are welcome to stop in any time.
>
> G
>
> --- jdy100@comcast.net wrote:
>
> From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100@comcast.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In
> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 15:37:45 -0700
>
>
> Finally got a much needed full day of Kolb flying in on Saturday, literally
> the first decent WX weekend all spring. Had a great flight, the Firestar ran
> beautifully. There are a lot of bigger RV's, GA & Warbirds at this fly-in,
> but the Firestar seems to always draws a crowd. WX got a bit hot & windy on
> the flight back and took me 2.5 hrs to get home (about 110 miles). Climbed
> to 4800 agl & still was into 800 fpm thermals! Ended up dropping down to
> around 700' & just enjoyed the scenery all the way home. Flew a total of 5.7
> hrs, just about as much as I've flown all year!
>
> Looking forward to more good weekends,
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> Missouri City, TX
> Kolb FS II/HKS 700
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339265#339265
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Subject: | Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale |
Larry, I've got some questions for ya. Can I get my hands on your
enclosure? Are you going to make MV? Heck, when is it? How much does your
Firestar weigh? I've got a good install for the HKS, but I keep adding
things to make it lighter!
Hope to see ya at MV Thanks Bob Dresden
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>wrote:
> I have an extra one as well
> Larry
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> *From:* Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2011 3:16 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale
>
>
> Got a huge response of interest on this thing, called Ed and asked him what
> he wanted for it - $75 plus shipping. It was not damaged in the crash and is
> in good shape, it has hung on the hangar wall for the last 2 years so the
> windows need to be polished up with some plastic polish, but aside from that
> it is good to go. I hosed the pollen off and laid it out on the deck to take
> these pictures of it - what you see is what you get.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339344#339344
>
>
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Subject: | Re: FSII rear enclosure for sale |
Yes you can get my enclosure, I'll drag it out and dust it off to make
sure it is still OK. No, I won't be at MV this year. John and some of
the others are flying up here the first of June, and I have a bunch of
stuff to do before they get here. I am not sure how many if any will be
there this year. Last year was a bust, I haven't heard anything about it
this year. Its worth doing even if you are there by your self. You could
just come on up here to Oregon with the rest of them.
I think, ( don't have scales that I can trust) that the Firestar comes
in at about 460 lbs. You might consider attaching some VG's to the sides
of the enclosure to send the airflow on a better path, thus providing
cleaner air flow through the oil cooler and the prop. If you make them
out of Lexan, you should be able to use Shoe Goo and glue them to the
edges of the enclosure.
Larry
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From: Robert Dresden
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale
Larry, I've got some questions for ya. Can I get my hands on your
enclosure? Are you going to make MV? Heck, when is it? How much does
your Firestar weigh? I've got a good install for the HKS, but I keep
adding things to make it lighter!
Hope to see ya at MV Thanks Bob Dresden
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Larry Cottrell
<lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
I have an extra one as well
Larry
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From: Richard Pike
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FSII rear enclosure for sale
<richard@bcchapel.org>
Got a huge response of interest on this thing, called Ed and asked
him what he wanted for it - $75 plus shipping. It was not damaged in the
crash and is in good shape, it has hung on the hangar wall for the last
2 years so the windows need to be polished up with some plastic polish,
but aside from that it is good to go. I hosed the pollen off and laid it
out on the deck to take these pictures of it - what you see is what you
get.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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