---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/11/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: When is balance balanced? (zeprep251@aol.com) 2. 09:44 AM - Re: When is balance balanced? (b young) 3. 09:50 AM - Re: pusher airplanes (Pat Ladd) 4. 10:07 AM - Re: pusher airplanes (william sullivan) 5. 12:25 PM - Re: pusher airplanes (Pat Ladd) 6. 12:33 PM - Re: pusher airplanes (pcking) 7. 01:59 PM - Re: pusher airplanes (Pat Ladd) 8. 02:44 PM - Re: pusher airplanes (robert bean) 9. 03:02 PM - Re: pusher airplanes (John Hauck) 10. 05:57 PM - Re: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In (Jimmy Young) 11. 06:55 PM - finally a flying day with video (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced? From: zeprep251@aol.com Just a note on balance weights.The most dense material I have ever seen is Mallory metal,used by the the speed shops for adding balance weight to cran kshafts.It is almost double the weight of steel. G.Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200A 625hrs -----Original Message----- From: Guy Swenson Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 10:14 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced? Hi Mike, Did you ever get the answer you werelooking for? I have a MKIII Xtra with b alanced ailerons only, the elevators andrudder are not balanced and do not need to be. The balancers you describe soundlike the ones I used on my aile rons! If you would like some pictures letme know off line and I will send you some. My e-mail is guyandjodi@bvillemn.net . I don=99tspend as mu ch time on the list as I would like to, too many projects not enoughtime, b ut I would be glad to help you with this if I can. I see by your tailpictur es you have the original MKIII Xtra horizontal stabilizer (4 corner) that =99sthe one I have on my Xtra. Let me know if I can help. Guy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@ma tronics.com] OnBehalf Of Mike Welch Sent: Saturday, April 23, 20115:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: When isbalance balanced? Kolb guys, In consideration of Bob Green, I'm going to do my part to bring up aquest ion to the Kolb list members; I'm in the middle of fabricating balance rods for my MkIII'selevator(s). I have the "4 sided" horizontal stabilizers like some Xtras have, withthe outer dimens ion close to 11" or so (see photo). The balance rods consist of 3/4" chromoly tubing, with a 3"welded "T" stu b that inserts into the elevator's main tube and will be riveted. At the moment, therods are about 12" long, and run the full length alongside the hor. stabs. Here's the dilemma!! Even when I slide in 7" long solid steelweight rods into the ends of the the balance rod tubes, this still doesn't come close to "blanacing"the elev ators. In fact, it takes quite a bit more solid steel rod, hung out on the end of the balance tubes toget it to 'act' level. While I'm monkeying around with various weights, in occurs to me (duh!)th at if I want to 'balance' the elevators......I'm going to need close to the full weight of theelevators!! I can't say that I like this!! In order to achieve a true and complete elevatorbal ance, I will need to add a fair amount of steel rod! (photos on request) Here's my question; For you guys that have the elevator balancerods, did you really add so much weight that the elevator was truely balanced, or did you possibly j ustadd 'some' weight, that would act like a reasonably decent counter-balance? I know another way to solve my problem would be to lengthen the balancero ds, say...from their present 12" length (which doens't work at the moment, unless they weremaybe filled with lead), to extend out in front of the hor. stabs 6", to something like 18"overall. I sure DO NOT like this solution, since, IMO, it looks like the balance rods were a completeafterth ought (which they were). Still....I don't want them to look dopey!! What did you guys do to balance your elevator? Nothing? .....Some weight , but not a complete balance? Or did you just add enough rod length to keep the weightlow? I'm kind of at a loss at the moment, any thoughts?????? Mike Welch very unbalanced, quite possibly unstable, too. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:54 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: When is balance balanced? Just a note on balance weights.The most dense material I have ever seen is Mallory metal,used by the the speed shops for adding balance weight to crankshafts.It is almost double the weight of steel. G.Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200A 625hrs or if you can determine the weight needed,,,,, melt some lead and pour in a steel tube. i would have to try,,,, you could line the steel tube/ mold, with some thin silicone surfaced paper, the stuff that wont stick to sticky labels.... and maybe you could create a round lead bar after sliding it out of the pipe and then cut to length. or maybe pour it in a piece of drilled out wood dowel rod. and cut the lead out. then carve it to fit into your counter balance. boyd ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:45 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Hi Rob, that is one of the best flying sequences ever filmed.I have seen it a hindred times and always enjoyed it. I like the way Stewart, who is supposed to be a Reserve pilot in the film plays it as if he knows what is going on and is familiar with the general routines but just a bit out of his depth with the really big aircraft. Great. The other great flying sequence is the Lancaster dropping the bouncing bomb on the Mohne dam in the film The Dam Busters . great stuff. Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:57 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes - Pat- Jimmy Stewart did know what he was doing.- USAF in WWII, with ma ny B-24 missions over Germany.- At least one trip as an observer in a B-5 2 over Vietnam.- Retirement rank was major general in the USAF reserves. - Plus private pilot's and commercial license.- Read the Wiki bio on hi m.- Very interesting. - ------------------------- ---------------------- Bill Sul livan --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Pat Ladd wrote: From: Pat Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes Hi Rob, that is one of the best flying sequences ever filmed.I have seen it a hindr ed times and always enjoyed it. I like the way Stewart, who is supposed to be a Reserve pilot in the film plays it as if he knows what is going on and is familiar with the general routines but just a bit out of his depth with the really big aircraft. Great. The other great flying sequence is the Lancaster dropping the bouncing bomb on the Mohne dam in the film The Dam Busters . - great stuff. - Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:39 PM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes many B-24 missions over Germany>> As I rermember we had The B-17 Flying fortrss and the B-24 Liberator in the UK but not the B-29. I was aware that Jimmy operated from the UK but did not know that he had ever been in a B-29. Which about hangs with what I said. he looked as though he was familiar with the environment but not really up to speed with the details. I will read up on him. Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:01 PM PST US From: "pcking" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes There was a B-29 in England during WWII. It was flown there to show the pilots what was coming next. It was also forbidden to fly a mission over Germany lest it be shot down and give the technology to the Nazis. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes many B-24 missions over Germany>> As I rermember we had The B-17 Flying fortrss and the B-24 Liberator in the UK but not the B-29. I was aware that Jimmy operated from the UK but did not know that he had ever been in a B-29. Which about hangs with what I said. he looked as though he was familiar with the environment but not really up to speed with the details. I will read up on him. Pat ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:12 PM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes There was a B-29 in England during WWII>> Well, I have never heard that before. Thanks Pat ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:20 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes the video was about the B-36. I remember hearing them growl slowly overhead at high altitude when I was a kid. Jimmy Stewart was actually a B-17 instructor pilot. If you know how to start a round engine you are in the game. Not always easy. There is a reason for those guys standing around with the fire extinguishers. The puny J-47s outboard are a curiosity. Mr. Stewart really loved flying and kept a small single engine during his later years. He had a lot of solo cross country experience. He would occasionally appear on Johnny Carson's show and Johnny was also a recreational pilot. His sidekick, Ed was a P-47 pilot. I don't know if they did any flying together. Don't even start on Bob Cummings. Southern Cal was a heck of a place for flying back then. Sorry for not being Kolb oriented here. I moved the backhoe out of the shed. (one more tractor to go) to clear space for the annual migration. Managed to get the hoe stuck during a "shortcut". Good thing they have a lot of hydraulics on board. I'll be dragging the little bird up there soon. BB On 11, May 2011, at 1:05 PM, william sullivan wrote: > Pat- Jimmy Stewart did know what he was doing. USAF in WWII, with many B-24 missions over Germany. At least one trip as an observer in a B-52 over Vietnam. Retirement rank was major general in the USAF reserves. Plus private pilot's and commercial license. Read the Wiki bio on him. Very interesting. > > Bill Sullivan > > --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Pat Ladd wrote: > > From: Pat Ladd > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 12:48 PM > > Hi Rob, > that is one of the best flying sequences ever filmed.I have seen it a hindred times and always enjoyed it. I like the way Stewart, who is supposed to be a Reserve pilot in the film plays it as if he knows what is going on and is familiar with the general routines but just a bit out of his depth with the really big aircraft. Great. > The other great flying sequence is the Lancaster dropping the bouncing bomb on the Mohne dam in the film The Dam Busters . > > great stuff. > > Pat > > > get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com > blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:35 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pusher airplanes I'll be dragging the little bird up there soon. BB Bob B/Gents: Congratulations! Not on getting the backhoe stuck, but finally getting warm enough to move the mkIII to the hanger. Summer has arrived hauck's holler. I actually flew 6 miles across the lake to my flying buddy's grass strip, borrowed his hose, and washed my mkIII. I am getting ready to fly to the Rock House, 7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR. It is 1,950 miles. Will take me about 26 flight hours and 130 gals of fuel to get there. Probably 4 days if I went straight there, but I plan to visit a few friends and relatives on the way out, so I'll figure on a week from the time I lift off Gantt International Airport until I land at Larry Cottrel's gravel/dirt strip. I plan to spend time flying back and forth to the Alvord so I can soak in the hot spring. It is about 35 miles from Larry's to the Alvord. We land on a gravel road with a short walk down to the spring. Looking forward to going somewhere in my little airplane. It has been two years since I have been able to do a longer cross country flight than Sun and Fun. Tomorrow will replace spark plugs, change the oil and filter, replace one aluminum rivet in the door frame, do a good preflight and be ready to go, unless I find something during my inspection to fix. I do have a slight leak at the oil pressure relief valve. Hate any kind of oil leak. They are unnatural on a 912. ;-) Probably get out of here Sunday or soon thereafter. Whenever the weather looks the best to fly. Will miss MV this year. Maybe next year if enough folks want to do it again. john h Titus, Alabama mkIII - 3,038.6 hours airframe 912ULS - 470.1 hours engine ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: La Grange TX EAA 1347 Saturday Fly-In From: "Jimmy Young" Thanks Gary. Next time I'm up north I'll buzz over and look for an open hangar door. You look pretty good for such an old guy. :o -------- Jimmy Young Missouri City, TX Kolb FS II/HKS 700 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339626#339626 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: finally a flying day with video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-IugLiNDg&feature=player_profilepage Finally a decent day here in the west. I don't need to tell any of you that this winter has been a bit of a test. Some of you are still getting hammered, while we are beginning to see an improvement in the weather. I have only flown three times this year, mostly due to the fact that I just don't want to deal with the cold and wind. I can only praise retirement that allows me to say "Screw it - tomorrow might be better." We have had a serious amount of moisture this year for a desert. The Owyhee area, (mostly in Idaho) has had 213 percent of the normal rainfall. Of course no one needs to tell anyone near any of the Eastern rivers about high water. None of the above should be construed as whining about the weather, it is merely an explanation of current events. I have had a lot of honey do's to deal with this year, so the few days that were flyable were ignored to get done. The rafting season here on the Owyhee runs from April ( when the snow melt raises the river high enough to cover the rocks) to generally June 1st. This year it will probably go to the end of June. I have felt a bit sorry for the rafters on some of the weeks when I know they had to freeze almost all appendages off before getting to the take out some 50 miles north. Well today I was able to roll out "Dart" and go check on the river and see if I could remember how to fly her. I hooked up the camera and shot video until the batteries wore out. There has been some change to YouTube since I last uploaded a video, which gave me some trouble. My video's are under larry6080m. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.