---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/13/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:49 AM - Filter (Ted) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: egt (Thom Riddle) 3. 10:55 AM - Re: finally a flying day with video (Sheila Slinkard) 4. 06:37 PM - Re: Tornados (Kip) 5. 06:53 PM - Re: Tornados (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:13 AM PST US From: Ted Subject: Kolb-List: Filter My bad. Misspoke 912 2stroke. Using glass microfilter. Never had one fill up and stop like that wasnt that dirty. Did not have six engine outs on this engine. Lifetime off field landings. Lots of different things. Broken props seized engines etc found bad wire in harness. Replaced all wires to egts. Works again. Will watch filters real close for brown stuff now. Thanks Ted Cowan. Slingshot 912 zoom zoom Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. 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(sixth time I > have had an emergency landing off field) landed okay and called my wife to > come with the trailer. the micro filter just slammed plain shut on me while > flying. never seen nothing like this. could not even blow through it. no > light, no air and could not clean it. don't know what clogged it. replace > it and the secondary filter and everything is fine. now, back to the egt. > I have a flashing light when something is wrong on the temps. the egt should > have lighted up or at least shown a lean condition when it ran out of gas > in the carbs. was wondering what do I need them for? are the egts really > necessary? Anyone running without them. I remember airwolf telling me they > do not recommend them on 912s being as they are 2 strokers. any comments? > Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912 zoom zoom > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:12:38 AM PST US > From: Mike Welch > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: egt > > >> the micro filter just slammed plain shut on me while >> flying. >> I have a flashing light when something is wrong on the temps. the egt sho > uld >> have lighted up or at least shown a lean condition when it ran out of gas > >> in the carbs. was wondering what do I need them for? are the egts really > >> necessary? Anyone running without them. I remember airwolf telling me the > y >> do not recommend them on 912s being as they are 2 strokers. any comments? > >> Ted Cowan=2C Slingshot 912 zoom zoom > > Ted=2C > > Comments? Here's a couple=3B > > I would use that microfilter again for NO amount of > money. I'd take that sucker apart and find out WHY it slammed shut. > > Is an EGT necessary? Some would say no=2C some say yes. Personally=2C > I LIKE knowing how well my engine is running (or how poorly). I'd > say=2C "if your engine always runs perfect=2C and never=2C ever has any pro > blems=2C > don't worry about an EGT." > > Lastly=2C tell the guy at Airwolf he should refrain from giving advice on > 912s 2 strokes.......'cause thar ain't any such critter!!' > > Mike Welch > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:15:28 AM PST US > From: Mike Welch > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: egt > > > Last response was supposed to say "WOULDN'T use that filter". Note to > self=3B proof-read BEFORE you push 'send'. At any rate=2C I'm sure you go > t > the idea. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:23:19 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: egt > From: zeprep251@aol.com > > Ted, > It is possible you have too fine a filter?I have seen a filter remove fuel > additives and clog.It was a teflon additive that could pass through the car > b and jetting with out problems but closed the filter.In theory,other than > water,any particle smaller than the smallest orifice in the carb should not > give you trouble,and that may be judged by the mesh of the filter screen t > hat surrounds the main jet. > The number of power failures you've had is amazing.Have you been able to > locate the specific cause for each of them?I have a friend with a 912s on > a mk3c that has had at least 2 events of lost power,fuel starvation in both > cases ,but he has not identified the root cause for either.But he has stat > ed that both times the fuel level in the tanks was close to half,but he fai > led to engage the aux pump either time. > It takes a few seconds for the egt probe to sense change.You may have had > not enough time to register the change on a 4 stroke. > Could you give me some insight into your other power failures? > Thanks,G.Aman MK3C jabiru2200A 600+hrs . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Cowan > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:03 am > Subject: Kolb-List: egt > > > > well, got egt problems again. seems like every time I get them straightene > d > out, six months or so later, more trouble. tried all kinds of tests, > switching them, trying different ones, checked here and there. cant seem t > o > isolate the problem. next I am going to remove the wires from the glass > gauge unit and install a short extension right to the probes. this should > > tell me something. went flying and everything was cool and all of a sudde > n > a bobble in the engine. did it again and lost power. was able to keep it > > running in order to have a little power on off field landing. (sixth time I > > have had an emergency landing off field) landed okay and called my wife to > > come with the trailer. the micro filter just slammed plain shut on me whil > e > flying. never seen nothing like this. could not even blow through it. no > > light, no air and could not clean it. don't know what clogged it. replace > > it and the secondary filter and everything is fine. now, back to the egt. > > I have a flashing light when something is wrong on the temps. the egt shoul > d > have lighted up or at least shown a lean condition when it ran out of gas > > in the carbs. was wondering what do I need them for? are the egts really > > necessary? Anyone running without them. I remember airwolf telling me the > y > do not recommend them on 912s being as they are 2 strokers. any comments? > > Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912 zoom zoom > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:02:46 AM PST US > From: "John Hauck" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: egt > > > > are the egts really > necessary? Anyone running without them. Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912 zoom > zoom > > > Ted C/Gang: > > I have never run EGT gauges with my 912 engines. Have never felt I needed > to monitor EGTs, with nearly 3,000 hours flying in front of 912 engines. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:44:00 AM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: finally a flying day with video > From: "gotime242" > > > Great vid, thanks. > > I cant wait to get my own vid going here soon...just cant find the time to get > my butt our the door and fly! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339678#339678 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:04:19 AM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: egt > From: "Richard Pike" > > > Let me suggest that you Google "fuel strainer sock," for in-tank use as your fuel pickup. Something like this: http://www.ssdieselsupply.com/product_338_In_Tank_Fuel_StrainerSock.html > There are other versions that have the pickup outlet in the side. > > Then go to your friendly auto parts store with a good idea of what you want, and > start browsing. As long as it is a likely candidate to go on the end of your > fuel pickup tube, or inside the tank over your tank outlet, that's what you want. > Pick out something with lots of surface area, and an opening that will easily > adapt to your plumbing. Then it will be unlikely for your inline filter > to ever see any junk. > > As Barney Fife says, "NIP IT IN THE BUD!" > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339680#339680 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:04:25 AM PST US > From: "John Hauck" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: egt > > > > Let me suggest that you Google "fuel strainer sock," for in-tank use as > your fuel pickup. Something like this: > http://www.ssdieselsupply.com/product_338_In_Tank_Fuel_StrainerSock.html > Richard Pike > > > Richard P/Gang: > > I use a finger strainer in the tank. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fingstrainers.php > > And a Purolator inline glass tube filter. I replaced the glass tube with a > piece of .58" alum tube. Had my first glass tube crack first night it was > installed. > > Easy to stick a few elements in my flight bag if I should need them on a > trip. Usually get 100 hours on an element. > > Elements can be cleaned in an emergency to get back into the air if you > don't have a new replacement. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:24:15 AM PST US > From: "John Hauck" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: egt > > > > And a Purolator inline glass tube filter. john h > > > Gang: > > This is what the filter looks like: > > http://www.eangler.com/product/MP80813459.htm?utm_medium=cpa&utm_source=Shopping > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:05:28 AM PST US > From: "pete" > Subject: Kolb-List: Insurance > > >> I have been getting my insurance thru USUA, it seems that USUA is just >> about out of business, the volunteer worker have a full time job and can >> only devote part time effort to keep things going. I want to keep >> insurance but I am finding it difficult to get cooperation from USUA. Is >> there any other source for ultralights ? Pete >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:19:14 AM PST US > From: Dana Hague > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Insurance > > At 01:03 PM 5/12/2011, pete wrote: >> >>> I have been getting my insurance thru USUA, it seems that USUA is just >>> about out of business, the volunteer worker have a full time job and can >>> only devote part time effort to keep things going. I want to keep >>> insurance but I am finding it difficult to get cooperation from USUA. Is >>> there any other source for ultralights ? > > ASC (http://aerosports.org) has the same program, and seems a little more > alive. > > -Dana > > -- > A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:58:21 AM PST US > From: "b young" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: egt > > > > Gang: > > This is what the filter looks like: > > http://www.eangler.com/product/MP80813459.htm?utm_medium=cpa&utm_source=Shopping > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > i have had one of these filters in my boat for years,,,, and never once had > an issue, sold the boat to my son and i don't think he has had any > problems. unless there is a difference in the elements,,, mine was more > of a fine mesh screen, not like a paper element,,, i could take it apart to > clean it. being a fine mesh screen it would not plug up if there happened > to be any moisture come through. and if installed vertical, the moisture > could accumulate in the bottom of the filter glass before it got to the > filter element, unless there were a LOT of water. > > boyd young > mkiii utah > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:59:12 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados > From: "bert sparrow" > > > John - did you ever go check on your plane yet? I feel bad, I've been flying around > so much, I flew over your house last night - want me to go fly to your field > and check on your plane? > > Bert > > PS. Thanks again for the splitter and cables! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339712#339712 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:29:28 PM PST US > From: "John Hauck" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados > > > Thanks Bert. > > My mkIII is ok. > > I have been working on the the last several days in prep for my 2,000 mile > flight out to Oregon next week. > > It is just about ready to go. All I have to do is pack my bag and load up > my gear. > > Will be gone about one month or whenever I get tired and ready to come home. > > Glad the parts worked for you. Did you get your Sport ticket? > > john > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bert sparrow" > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:56 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados > > > > > John - did you ever go check on your plane yet? I feel bad, I've been > flying around so much, I flew over your house last night - want me to go fly > to your field and check on your plane? > > Bert > > PS. Thanks again for the splitter and cables! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339712#339712 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:43:28 PM PST US > From: "John Hauck" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados > > > Sorry about this. > > Didn't notice this msg was from the Kolb List. Took it for granted it was > back copy. > > john > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hauck" > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados > > > > Thanks Bert. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:11 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: egt From: "Thom Riddle" "any particle smaller than the smallest orifice in the carb should not give you trouble," Gary, Not to put too fine a point on this, but the smallest orifice in the carb may not be the smallest opening. The jet needle to needle jet gap gets pretty small at low throttle. The opening in this case is a very narrow annular ring. I think Bing specifies a .1 mm (.004") final fuel filter. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas A. Edison Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339736#339736 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:37 AM PST US From: "Sheila Slinkard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: finally a flying day with video Larry, could you send additional information about the Kolb gathering at Rock House early June? Andy---Mesa, Wash---WN31 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:52 PM Subject: Kolb-List: finally a flying day with video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-IugLiNDg&feature=player_profilepage Finally a decent day here in the west. I don't need to tell any of you that this winter has been a bit of a test. Some of you are still getting hammered, while we are beginning to see an improvement in the weather. I have only flown three times this year, mostly due to the fact that I just don't want to deal with the cold and wind. I can only praise retirement that allows me to say "Screw it - tomorrow might be better." We have had a serious amount of moisture this year for a desert. The Owyhee area, (mostly in Idaho) has had 213 percent of the normal rainfall. Of course no one needs to tell anyone near any of the Eastern rivers about high water. None of the above should be construed as whining about the weather, it is merely an explanation of current events. I have had a lot of honey do's to deal with this year, so the few days that were flyable were ignored to get done. The rafting season here on the Owyhee runs from April ( when the snow melt raises the river high enough to cover the rocks) to generally June 1st. This year it will probably go to the end of June. I have felt a bit sorry for the rafters on some of the weeks when I know they had to freeze almost all appendages off before getting to the take out some 50 miles north. Well today I was able to roll out "Dart" and go check on the river and see if I could remember how to fly her. I hooked up the camera and shot video until the batteries wore out. There has been some change to YouTube since I last uploaded a video, which gave me some trouble. My video's are under larry6080m. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados From: "Kip" Ms P'fer seems to be a tornado magnet in 2011. But she always comes away looking good... [Laughing] -------- 2000 Firestar II R503 DCDI VLS 750 2010 Waiex Jabiru 3300 20?? Pitts Special S-1C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339814#339814 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tornados From: "John Hauck" We had some pretty good thunderstorms this afternoon. When the sky got black and the wind kicked up enough to blow sand and leaves off the trees, darned if I didn't get a little bit uneasy. I'm ready to fly West. My mkIII is in A-1 shape. Everything is fresh, including the pilot. ;-) Unless I change my mind again, I'll be flying the northern route to Oregon. Might get to meet Rick G this trip, if he is going to be home about Monday morning. I'll give him a holler when I can narrow down my ETA. If I get ready I will leave Sunday morning. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339815#339815 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.