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1. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: 1st ultralight (Pat Ladd)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: It was 84 years ago today.....(Sorry Sgt. Pepper) (John Hauck)
3. 08:48 AM - Unusual cable ends (Richard Pike)
4. 08:56 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (william sullivan)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (robert bean)
6. 09:50 AM - Re: 1st ultralight (Lonewolf1)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (John Hauck)
8. 11:04 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (Richard Pike)
9. 11:16 AM - Cable bushings (Richard Girard)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Unusual cable ends (John Hauck)
11. 01:22 PM - Re: Bi-Fold Aircraft Doors (Dennis Thate)
12. 07:23 PM - Re: Unusual cable ends (Jack B. Hart)
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| Subject: | Re: 1st ultralight |
Re. amount of fuel carried.
We don`t have that problem here. We work on MTOW so if you are a little guy
you can carry more juice.
In any case there is no problem carrying extra fuel provided you cannot
acces it while in flight.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: It was 84 years ago today.....(Sorry Sgt. Pepper) |
Shooting for Sunday morning take off, weather permitting.
Should put me in Rick G's area Monday morning.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Unusual cable ends |
Non-Kolb related, but I expect somebody on the list can give me some useful info,
so please bear with me and help me out.
Yesterday a friend and I went to look at a Kitfox that is being prepared for inspection
and flight, and I was baffled by these cable end fittings. Years ago
I saw another Kitfox that used these same cable end fittings for the rudder cables,
one of them came loose and the pilot had a nasty ground loop and took the
gear off it. Now I see them again on this airplane, so apparently Kitfox likes
them, but I don't. The builder has done a good job, they were in the cable
loop extremely tight with no give, but still - they just don't seem right to me.
I don't like them.
So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody
else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove in
them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things?
Thanks.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Unusual cable ends |
- Richard- I have seen that type used on an Elgin street sweeper, to pick
up the gutter broom.- No trouble with them, but they were a lot bigger.
- Maybe the Kitfox didn't have a big enough washer on it?
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--- On Fri, 5/20/11, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends
Non-Kolb related, but I expect somebody on the list can give me some useful
info, so please bear with me and help me out.
Yesterday a friend and I went to look at a Kitfox that is being prepared fo
r inspection and flight, and I was baffled by these cable end fittings. Yea
rs ago I saw another Kitfox that used these same cable end fittings for the
rudder cables, one of them came loose and the pilot had a nasty ground loo
p and took the gear off it. Now I see them again on this airplane, so appar
ently Kitfox likes them, but I don't. The builder has done a good job, they
were in the cable loop extremely tight with no give, but still - they just
don't seem right to me. I don't like them.
So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does
anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a gr
oove in them?- Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doin
g things?
Thanks.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Unusual cable ends |
Bill, I like the street sweeper idea. How about a runway sweeper?
That looks like some kind of an electrical connector with grommet on the end.
Coincidentally I recently started replacing my tail wires. I went the stock route
with 3/32 galv cable, copper nicopress.
I bought a dandy (and priced right) swaging tool from Home Depot. Just the right
width to make two squeezes on a
3/32" sleeve. I hesitated but then went with two sleeves after reading about Rich
Pike's screwdriver incident in the archives.
Maybe the groundlooped Kitfox didn't squeeze the sleeves sufficiently? Still,
I would go with our old accepted method.
BB
On 20, May 2011, at 11:45 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
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> Non-Kolb related, but I expect somebody on the list can give me some useful info,
so please bear with me and help me out.
> Yesterday a friend and I went to look at a Kitfox that is being prepared for
inspection and flight, and I was baffled by these cable end fittings. Years ago
I saw another Kitfox that used these same cable end fittings for the rudder
cables, one of them came loose and the pilot had a nasty ground loop and took
the gear off it. Now I see them again on this airplane, so apparently Kitfox likes
them, but I don't. The builder has done a good job, they were in the cable
loop extremely tight with no give, but still - they just don't seem right to
me. I don't like them.
>
> So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody
else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove
in them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things?
> Thanks.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: 1st ultralight |
Thanks again Rick.I read both of these a couple of months ago.I did some research
into part 103 enforcement awhile back.I talked to a bunch of different EAA
chapter members and i have yet to find even ONE single seat "vehicle" that has
even been ramp checked,let alone ticketed for anything.A FAA investigator at
our local airport looking into a nose wheel collapsee when asked about the subject
said "We don't bother single seat "vehicles"." He went as far to say he didnt
think there had EVER been a citation written to a single seat "vehicle" for
being overwieght.
Then to top it off,Quicksilver which was heavy on the minds of the FAA when
103 was drafted,will tell you that NONE of there "vehicles will wieght under the
254 limit.I was told a stock 447 powered mx wieghs 270 with NO brakes,no instruments
ect.
I found out that the vast majority of part 103 "vehicles" miss 103 specs by
a little some where.
Thanks again for the insight thou.
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Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Unusual cable ends |
So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does
anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a
groove in them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing
things?
Thanks.
Richard Pike
Richard P/Gang:
You talking about the sleeve or the round cable thimble?
For cables, I would use nothing except authentic nicopress sleeves.
The round cable thimble...I use them on my tail wires. The work much better
than the normal cable thimble when mating with a tang.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Unusual cable ends |
John Hauck wrote:
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> Richard P/Gang:
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> You talking about the sleeve or the round cable thimble?
>
> For cables, I would use nothing except authentic nicopress sleeves.
>
> The round cable thimble...I use them on my tail wires. The work much better
than the normal cable thimble when mating with a tang.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
I'm talking about the round cable thimble, and I can see them working fine for
something like tail wires. My Easy Riser used them for both flying and landing
wires, but in both your situation and the Riser, they do not move, so are not
subjected to any twisting loads that might slide the cable around the thimble.
The application that Kitfox uses is for rudder cables, both at the rudder end and
at the pedal end where they have to pivot, and are constantly subjected to
twisting loads. It seems that in that application, eventually the cable will start
to pivot around the thimble. That is what concerns me.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS: How do you mate them to the tang? An AN-3 bolt? Got a picture?
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<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/an111.php>Rick Girard
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: Unusual cable ends |
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS: How do you mate them to the tang? An AN-3 bolt? Got a picture?
Yes...made a fork with 3/16 washers/bolt/nyloc and an additional tang.
I'll try to remember to make a photo when I go back over to the airstrip to
load the mkIII.
Looks like I am going to get out of here in the morning. Only "iffy"
weather is near my RON at Neosho, MO, tomorrow night. May run into some
rain and snow in SW Wyoming, but temps are forecast high in the 50's. I
think that will be doable.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Bi-Fold Aircraft Doors |
Our Design Details, Before Final Weld
Full Closed Position
Full Up Position
Tomorrow Electric switches and motor with reduction drive unit and drive shaft
installed , Then Paint Booth.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: Unusual cable ends |
At 08:45 AM 5/20/11 -0700, you wrote:
>
>So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody
else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove in
them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things?
>Thanks.
>
Richard
Challengers use this type of termination on the cables inbetween the landing
gear legs. The fellow who checked me out years ago in his Challenger, said
his failed regularly. He built a fixture and made them up in mass. I
suggested to him that he not slide the nicopress quite so close to the the
collar it would help releave the stress by trying to make a right angle bend
in the cable. He said he was afraid the cable could pop off the collar. I
countered with the suggestion that he add a fender washer to keep the cable
in place.
I know the landing gear puts much more stress on the cable than would a
rudder cable.
On my mod to stiffen the FireFly landing gear, I made my own ferrels out of
aluminum tubing. So far no problems.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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