---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/20/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: 1st ultralight (Pat Ladd) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: It was 84 years ago today.....(Sorry Sgt. Pepper) (John Hauck) 3. 08:48 AM - Unusual cable ends (Richard Pike) 4. 08:56 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (william sullivan) 5. 09:24 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (robert bean) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: 1st ultralight (Lonewolf1) 7. 09:54 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (John Hauck) 8. 11:04 AM - Re: Unusual cable ends (Richard Pike) 9. 11:16 AM - Cable bushings (Richard Girard) 10. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Unusual cable ends (John Hauck) 11. 01:22 PM - Re: Bi-Fold Aircraft Doors (Dennis Thate) 12. 07:23 PM - Re: Unusual cable ends (Jack B. Hart) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:01 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 1st ultralight Re. amount of fuel carried. We don`t have that problem here. We work on MTOW so if you are a little guy you can carry more juice. In any case there is no problem carrying extra fuel provided you cannot acces it while in flight. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:50 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: It was 84 years ago today.....(Sorry Sgt. Pepper) Shooting for Sunday morning take off, weather permitting. Should put me in Rick G's area Monday morning. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends From: "Richard Pike" Non-Kolb related, but I expect somebody on the list can give me some useful info, so please bear with me and help me out. Yesterday a friend and I went to look at a Kitfox that is being prepared for inspection and flight, and I was baffled by these cable end fittings. Years ago I saw another Kitfox that used these same cable end fittings for the rudder cables, one of them came loose and the pilot had a nasty ground loop and took the gear off it. Now I see them again on this airplane, so apparently Kitfox likes them, but I don't. The builder has done a good job, they were in the cable loop extremely tight with no give, but still - they just don't seem right to me. I don't like them. So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove in them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things? Thanks. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340457#340457 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1402_large_226.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:26 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends - Richard- I have seen that type used on an Elgin street sweeper, to pick up the gutter broom.- No trouble with them, but they were a lot bigger. - Maybe the Kitfox didn't have a big enough washer on it? - ------------------------- ------------------------ Bi ll Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------ Wi ndsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------ FS 447 --- On Fri, 5/20/11, Richard Pike wrote: From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends Non-Kolb related, but I expect somebody on the list can give me some useful info, so please bear with me and help me out. Yesterday a friend and I went to look at a Kitfox that is being prepared fo r inspection and flight, and I was baffled by these cable end fittings. Yea rs ago I saw another Kitfox that used these same cable end fittings for the rudder cables, one of them came loose and the pilot had a nasty ground loo p and took the gear off it. Now I see them again on this airplane, so appar ently Kitfox likes them, but I don't. The builder has done a good job, they were in the cable loop extremely tight with no give, but still - they just don't seem right to me. I don't like them. So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a gr oove in them?- Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doin g things? Thanks. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340457#340457 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1402_large_226.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends From: robert bean Bill, I like the street sweeper idea. How about a runway sweeper? That looks like some kind of an electrical connector with grommet on the end. Coincidentally I recently started replacing my tail wires. I went the stock route with 3/32 galv cable, copper nicopress. I bought a dandy (and priced right) swaging tool from Home Depot. Just the right width to make two squeezes on a 3/32" sleeve. I hesitated but then went with two sleeves after reading about Rich Pike's screwdriver incident in the archives. Maybe the groundlooped Kitfox didn't squeeze the sleeves sufficiently? Still, I would go with our old accepted method. BB On 20, May 2011, at 11:45 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Non-Kolb related, but I expect somebody on the list can give me some useful info, so please bear with me and help me out. > Yesterday a friend and I went to look at a Kitfox that is being prepared for inspection and flight, and I was baffled by these cable end fittings. Years ago I saw another Kitfox that used these same cable end fittings for the rudder cables, one of them came loose and the pilot had a nasty ground loop and took the gear off it. Now I see them again on this airplane, so apparently Kitfox likes them, but I don't. The builder has done a good job, they were in the cable loop extremely tight with no give, but still - they just don't seem right to me. I don't like them. > > So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove in them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things? > Thanks. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340457#340457 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1402_large_226.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 1st ultralight From: "Lonewolf1" Thanks again Rick.I read both of these a couple of months ago.I did some research into part 103 enforcement awhile back.I talked to a bunch of different EAA chapter members and i have yet to find even ONE single seat "vehicle" that has even been ramp checked,let alone ticketed for anything.A FAA investigator at our local airport looking into a nose wheel collapsee when asked about the subject said "We don't bother single seat "vehicles"." He went as far to say he didnt think there had EVER been a citation written to a single seat "vehicle" for being overwieght. Then to top it off,Quicksilver which was heavy on the minds of the FAA when 103 was drafted,will tell you that NONE of there "vehicles will wieght under the 254 limit.I was told a stock 447 powered mx wieghs 270 with NO brakes,no instruments ect. I found out that the vast majority of part 103 "vehicles" miss 103 specs by a little some where. Thanks again for the insight thou. -------- Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340463#340463 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:20 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove in them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things? Thanks. Richard Pike Richard P/Gang: You talking about the sleeve or the round cable thimble? For cables, I would use nothing except authentic nicopress sleeves. The round cable thimble...I use them on my tail wires. The work much better than the normal cable thimble when mating with a tang. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Unusual cable ends From: "Richard Pike" John Hauck wrote: > > Richard P/Gang: > > You talking about the sleeve or the round cable thimble? > > For cables, I would use nothing except authentic nicopress sleeves. > > The round cable thimble...I use them on my tail wires. The work much better than the normal cable thimble when mating with a tang. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama I'm talking about the round cable thimble, and I can see them working fine for something like tail wires. My Easy Riser used them for both flying and landing wires, but in both your situation and the Riser, they do not move, so are not subjected to any twisting loads that might slide the cable around the thimble. The application that Kitfox uses is for rudder cables, both at the rudder end and at the pedal end where they have to pivot, and are constantly subjected to twisting loads. It seems that in that application, eventually the cable will start to pivot around the thimble. That is what concerns me. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) PS: How do you mate them to the tang? An AN-3 bolt? Got a picture? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340472#340472 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Cable bushings From: Richard Girard http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/an111.php Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:33 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Unusual cable ends Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) PS: How do you mate them to the tang? An AN-3 bolt? Got a picture? Yes...made a fork with 3/16 washers/bolt/nyloc and an additional tang. I'll try to remember to make a photo when I go back over to the airstrip to load the mkIII. Looks like I am going to get out of here in the morning. Only "iffy" weather is near my RON at Neosho, MO, tomorrow night. May run into some rain and snow in SW Wyoming, but temps are forecast high in the 50's. I think that will be doable. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bi-Fold Aircraft Doors From: "Dennis Thate" Our Design Details, Before Final Weld Full Closed Position Full Up Position Tomorrow Electric switches and motor with reduction drive unit and drive shaft installed , Then Paint Booth. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340486#340486 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/closed_position_509.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/full_open_position_214.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:26 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unusual cable ends At 08:45 AM 5/20/11 -0700, you wrote: > >So my question is: is this an acceptable way to do cable end fittings? Does anybody else have any experience with these little round barrels with a groove in them? Feedback? Is this actually an approved part or way of doing things? >Thanks. > Richard Challengers use this type of termination on the cables inbetween the landing gear legs. The fellow who checked me out years ago in his Challenger, said his failed regularly. He built a fixture and made them up in mass. I suggested to him that he not slide the nicopress quite so close to the the collar it would help releave the stress by trying to make a right angle bend in the cable. He said he was afraid the cable could pop off the collar. I countered with the suggestion that he add a fender washer to keep the cable in place. I know the landing gear puts much more stress on the cable than would a rudder cable. On my mod to stiffen the FireFly landing gear, I made my own ferrels out of aluminum tubing. So far no problems. Jack B. 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