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1. 06:27 AM - Re: Joe Btfsplk ()
2. 06:30 AM - Re: Do these have an official name ? (Dennis Thate)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Joe Btfsplk (Kolb Aircraft)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: Wheres John H? ()
5. 07:14 AM - Re: Wheres John H? (william sullivan)
6. 07:59 AM - John H's flight west (Bob Green)
7. 08:09 AM - Re: Hauck (Arksey@aol.com)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: Hauck ()
9. 08:57 AM - Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Mike Welch)
10. 09:20 AM - Re: First flight for Ken Holles Mk IIIX (Jimmy Young)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Happy Birthday Otto, May 23rd (Richard Girard)
12. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: First flight for Ken Holles Mk IIIX (Richard Girard)
13. 12:46 PM - Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Thom Riddle)
14. 12:59 PM - Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Thom Riddle)
15. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Mike Welch)
16. 01:22 PM - Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Thom Riddle)
17. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs ()
18. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Mike Welch)
19. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Richard Girard)
20. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (robert bean)
21. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (Mike Welch)
22. 03:44 PM - Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (ces308)
23. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs (zeprep251@aol.com)
24. 04:55 PM - Re: Do these have an official name ? (Dennis Thate)
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> John Hauck reminds me of this Al Capp character.
> BB
Bob B/Gang: Begining to think you are right. Tornados have been nipping at me
at Lakeland, at home, Neosho, MO, and Goodland, KS. When it isn't tornados,
its rain, thunderstorms, and very high winds. Grounded in Goodland, KS. Winds
forecast to 55 mph all day. Tomorrow is going to be better, I hope.
john h
mkIII
Goodland, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Do these have an official name ? |
Roger Lee wrote:
> http://michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9620_11057_14506---,00.html
You are absolutely correct Roger...Cone Markers
http://www.discountsales.com.au/store/product_info.php?cPath=65&products_id=142
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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Thanks for the update John.
Travis
Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Joe Btfsplk
>
>
>> John Hauck reminds me of this Al Capp character.
>> BB
>
>
> Bob B/Gang: Begining to think you are right. Tornados have been nipping
> at me at Lakeland, at home, Neosho, MO, and Goodland, KS. When it isn't
> tornados, its rain, thunderstorms, and very high winds. Grounded in
> Goodland, KS. Winds forecast to 55 mph all day. Tomorrow is going to be
> better, I hope.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Goodland, KS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheres John H? |
Had a pretty exciting day yesterday.
Will update later.
Right now I have to get back out to the airport and check on my airplane.
Will be spending the night again, here at Holiday Inn. Too damn wet, windy, and
cold, to play Boy Scout tonight.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Wheres John H? |
- Have you given any thought to sacrificing a goat?- Worth a try, as no
thing else seems to work.- For a really accurate weather forecast, examin
e the entrails of a chicken.
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do not archive
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Bill Sullivan
--- On Wed, 5/25/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wheres John H?
Had a pretty exciting day yesterday.
Will update later.
Right now I have to get back out to the airport and check on my airplane.
Will be spending the night again, here at Holiday Inn.- Too damn wet, win
dy, and cold, to play Boy Scout tonight.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | John H's flight west |
What a privilege to have something in common with a man like John Hauck.
John is truly a pioneer. He provides all of us great enjoyment as we follow his
flight to MV.
I join the rest of you in saying that I wish him a safe trip and hope that the
weather cooperates so he can get on west.
Thanks John.
Bob Green
KOLBMKIIIX project
GPAS VW re-drive
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John,
thanks for the post..keeping us informed...I maybe better leave a offering
under the old oak tree for better weather out that way....Jim
jim swan firestar ll 503 michigan
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Jim S/Gang:
I can use all the help I can get to get some flying weather.
After 27 years cross country flying ULs, this is by far the most difficult time
I have had to reach my intended destination.
I haven't checked weather this morning, other than the weather wonk on TV. He
said sustained winds of 55 mph until 2100 hours tonight, and windy again tomorrow.
Ya take what you get when dealing with Mother Nature.
john h
mkIII
Goodland, KS
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| Subject: | Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Kolb people=2C or more specifically=2C guys that like VGs=2C
I've read quite a bit=2C including a few of you guys' websites regarding
VGs.
I really like the looks of the Stolspeed VGs=2C but the Landshorters aren't
bad=2C
either.
I have a question for you=3B Have you compared the Landshorters against t
he
Stolspeeds?
Plus=2C how big are they? (What are the dimensions of the actual VG?) P
hotos
don't really give much of a detailed idea how big they are.
For anyone who wants to give a thorough description=2C is there anything
you
might do different if you were to install them again (closer spacing=2C mor
e forward
placement=2C etc=2C etc)?
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for Ken Holles Mk IIIX |
> After months of work I took Ken's IIIX around the pattern three times this evening.
Rick,
Just curious, what work was done to this Xtra, and how well does the 582 (I assume
it's a 582) power the Xtra around?
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday Otto, May 23rd |
Dennis, I agree that Cayley did much. I should have put more emphasis
on conducting a flight test program. By all reports, Cayley flew his
coachman once. Lilienthal made hundreds of his own flights. I guess I put
more credit with the man who puts his convictions and beliefs on his own
back and not on a hired hand.
Rick
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote
:
>
> [quote="rickofudall"]Guys and Gals, I meant to send this earlier today,
but
> test flying and a 4 1/2 year old got me distracted.=EF=BDWhile others
attempted
> flight sporadically or based upon erroneous assumptions, German engineer
> Otto Lilienthal was the first to undertake a systematic investigation of
> flying and conduct a flight test program. He bought the dirt from a canal
> project and had his own private hill made with a shed at the top so he co
uld
> keep his gliders handy. Unfortunately, he never grasped the idea of
> controlled flight beyond shifting his weight and his designs limited how
> much he could use of even that. In the end, that was what killed him. His
> last words to his brother, Gustav, were, "Sacrifices must be made". Pictu
res
> of him gliding down his hill were distributed all over the world and
> eventually inspired two brothers from Dayton, Ohio to pick up where he le
ft
> off. Happy Birthday Otto, and thanks.
>
> Rick Girard=EF=BD
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cayley First
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Lilienthal Second
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp
y.
> =EF=BD - Groucho Marx
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
>
> Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340879#340879
>
>
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>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for Ken Holles Mk IIIX |
Jimmy, I'll try to keep it to a novella. The leading edge of the horizontal
stabilizer was damaged and had to be replaced and the stab recovered. The
front of the left stabilizer was mounted almost a half inch higher than the
right and had to be lowered. The tail wires were slack and poorly made, I
made new. The builder had strung the lower wires to the tail wheel bolt
instead of its own bolt in the rudder post. The rudder hit the left elevator
but had 6" of clearance on the right.
The engine uses an "E" gearbox so it had been raised up almost 4" for
clearance between the starter and the rear spar carry through. I made a new
engine mount plate to move the engine back 5/8". The engine is now 5/16"
lower than called out for the 618 with the "E" gearbox in the plans for the
IIIC.
The forward plates of the main spar carry through on the fuselage were
wallowed out to greater than 3/8" X 5/16" so I worked them out to be
straight with the hole in the rear plates and enlarged them to take a 3/8"
bolt. I still have to make inserts for the forward holes so the bolt will
have 100% contact.
I replaced the Rotax radiators, whose mount was broken, with a Honda Sabre
radiator.
There were a half dozen or more smaller issues and fabric patches but that
covers the majors.
After talking with Bryan Melbourne yesterday about the incidence angles of
the wings and tail, I was convinced that I need to weld up the holes in the
spar tabs on the wings and redrill to bring the wing AOI down almost a
degree. He has seen the "lawn dart syndrome" before caused by that wide
platypus nose. I can see the nose cone caving in as speed comes up in level
flight, so I believe Bryan is correct.
As it stands, performance is nothing like my IIIC. My C leaps off the ground
with half flaps and climbs like the proverbial homesick angel. I have to
horse the X off the ground after a long take off roll and it climbs very
slowly. I've not reached pattern altitude on any circuit, but I haven't kept
climbing all the way to abeam the runway threshold, either. I also haven't
pushed it. While it's nose heavy I don't want to get anywhere near a stall.
Although I've been trying to roll it on when landing I've landed tailwheel
first 4 out of 6 times. Not hard, but I can feel it. The landing roll is
long, too. When I lowered the stabs to their lowest position I felt
confident enough to try a notch of flaps on approach. It helped a little,
but until the pitch stability is fixed I won't use them again.
My opinion is that this is a good aircraft that was very poorly built.
Fortunately it can all be fixed.
Rick Girard
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> > After months of work I took Ken's IIIX around the pattern three times
> this evening.
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Just curious, what work was done to this Xtra, and how well does the 582 (I
> assume it's a 582) power the Xtra around?
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> Missouri City, TX
> Kolb FS II/HKS 700
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340964#340964
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Mike,
I made my own from aluminum flashing following some Kolber's prior experimentation
and drawings. I think it was either Richard Pike or Jack Hart who provided
the drawing, or perhaps someone else. Sorry I don't remember for certain, but
thanks to whoever it was!
I first installed them on my old early Firestar imagining erroneously that I knew
better than the experts as to their proper location. Placed in one of the many
possible wrong locations, the stall speed decreased but it rendered the stall
quality more abrupt and not to my liking, so I removed them.
After acquiring my Slingshot, which could really use a reduced stall speed, I followed
the experts' instructions and located the same home-made VGs with the
high point of the VG at the 10% chord location. I put one double-vane VG in the
valley between each rib and false rib. My SS stall speed (IAS) was reduced markedly
from 45 mph without flaps to something under 40 mph, if I had more elevator
travel (or put VGs under my horzontal stabilizer). As it is (and I like
it this way) the no flaps minimum airspeed (stick in my gut) is 42 mph and I can
do normal turns at this airspeed without incident. The 1/2 flap stall speed
went from 42 mph to 37 mph. The stall quality is unchanged with the VGs at the
proper location. I rarely use full flaps and have never tested stall speed with
full flaps, either before or after. BTW, my ASI equals TAS at about 2,000'
density altitude.
Bottom line is that the difference in performance between one brand and another(or
home-made) is probably not significant enough to measure but, as in real estate,
location is pretty important.
I have no plans to ever remove the home-made VGs from my Slingshot. However, if
I had it to do over again, I'd probably spend the $100 for store-bought ones
'cuz they are prettier and almost invisible if you are not looking for them.
Which to buy is then a personal choice with probably no measurable difference in
performance. Buy the ones you like the most.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Mike,
I just found the source of the drawing for my home-made VGs. It was indeed Jack
Hart. Here is a link to one of the VG pages on his excellent website:
http://www.jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly19.html
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Thom=2C
Thanks for the in-depth report. I agree=2C it appears there isn't as muc
h difference
in brands=2C whether they be home-made or store bought=2C as there is in pl
acement.
Fortunately=2C there are several happy Kolb VG users=2C the placement seems
to be
in the valley between the ribs and half-ribs.
Jack's website is the one that shows actual dimensions of his home-made V
Gs.
He made his out of gutter aluminum. Since I am (on purpose) unemployed=2C
I don't
have much spending moola. I do=2C however=2C have quite a bit of spare tim
e.
I seem to cut myself enough as it is=2C so I don't think I will use thin
aluminum to make
my VGs. ( I cut the living B'jesus out of the end of my right thumb two we
eks ago
with my angle grinder...... darn near needed stitches!!)
So=2C instead of aluminum=2C I've been doing some experimenting with Lexa
n. I've made a few
'test samples' of VGs=2C primarily to see if they are strong enough for the
task! The results
so far are very promising.
I think=2C if I had to make my own using sheet aluminum=2C I'd rather buy
the Lexan VGs.
Maybe that's just me=2C 'cause I can picture bright red drops all over the
tops of my wings!!
I have tons of .90" & .125" Lexan sheet=2C and like I said=2C I have more
time than money.
I'll probably go with my home-made ones. If they don't turn out beautiful
=2C I'll chuck 'em=2C
and order the StolSpeeds.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Mike,
I now have some .020" Lexan sheet that I would have made the VGs from if I had
had the material at the time I made mine. I got this from McMaster-Carr. .020"
is plenty stiff to hold their shape and a lot easier to form than thicker.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
> I have tons of .90" & .125" Lexan sheet, and like I said, I have more time
than money.
> I'll probably go with my home-made ones. If they don't turn out beautiful, I'll
chuck 'em,
> and order the StolSpeeds.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
You plan to test fly, get accustomed to your new airplane, with or without your
new VGs?
john h
mkIII
Goodland, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
> You plan to test fly=2C get accustomed to your new airplane=2C with or wi
thout your new VGs?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Goodland=2C KS
John=2C
Since I haven't heard of anyone saying that installing the VGs made the p
lane fly worse=2C
(assuming a proper=2C proven installation)=2C I'd say=2C yeah=2C I'd probab
ly begin flying my plane
with VGs. I don't think I know "why not?"
From what I have heard=2C read=2C researched=2C etc=2C etc=2C the additio
n of VGs lowers stall speed=2C
make slow flight more controllable=2C plus a few other positive tendencies.
Why would it be
a bad thing to NOT start off with VGs?
I am ALWAYS willing to learn=2C especially from those that know more them
me. What is the
List's opinion on flying a new plane with VGs??
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Having not flown with VG's, but not having heartburn about it either way,
I'd suggest learning to fly your plane without them first. And I mean really
learn to fly it, not go around the pattern and then go put the VG's on. The
Kolb can be a funny creature and I would want to know that I have everything
adjusted properly and I know how to fly it before I started screwing with it
aerodynamically. Otherwise how do you know the VG's aren't masking some
trait you should take the time to adjust out.
My 2 cents.
Rick
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You plan to test fly, get accustomed to your new airplane, with or
> without your new VGs?
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Goodland, KS
>
> John,
>
> Since I haven't heard of anyone saying that installing the VGs made the
> plane fly worse,
> (assuming a proper, proven installation), I'd say, yeah, I'd probably begin
> flying my plane
> with VGs. I don't think I know "why not?"
>
> From what I have heard, read, researched, etc, etc, the addition of VGs
> lowers stall speed,
> make slow flight more controllable, plus a few other positive tendencies.
> Why would it be
> a bad thing to NOT start off with VGs?
>
> I am ALWAYS willing to learn, especially from those that know more them
> me. What is the
> List's opinion on flying a new plane with VGs??
>
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
I don't see any problem with starting out with them but, if you plan on
flying in windy air a lot you may be better off without them.
This isn't a factor on a Slingshot because that one likes to hug the
ground but on a FS or a MkIII, it is reassuring during rollout and
taxi to have a little LESS lift. Unless you are planting it in a pea
patch all the time that 5 mph stall doesn't make a lot of difference.
BB
happy with my old tugboat
On 25, May 2011, at 5:01 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> > You plan to test fly, get accustomed to your new airplane, with or
without your new VGs?
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Goodland, KS
>
> John,
>
> Since I haven't heard of anyone saying that installing the VGs made
the plane fly worse,
> (assuming a proper, proven installation), I'd say, yeah, I'd probably
begin flying my plane
> with VGs. I don't think I know "why not?"
>
> =46rom what I have heard, read, researched, etc, etc, the addition
of VGs lowers stall speed,
> make slow flight more controllable, plus a few other positive
tendencies. Why would it be
> a bad thing to NOT start off with VGs?
>
> I am ALWAYS willing to learn, especially from those that know more
them me. What is the
> List's opinion on flying a new plane with VGs??
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
Kolb guys=2C
As I always maintain=2C I'm more than willing to listen to an experienced
pilot.
I may not always do as suggested=2C but I certainly recognize good informat
ion=2C
and I believe I usually follow that good advice.
I'm very much open to flying the plane first=2C then adding VGs later. W
hether I
start off with them=2C or add them later=2C I expect I'll end up with them
at some point.
The reason is=3B from everything I've seen and heard=2C I want what they pr
ovide.
I'm not concerned about my plane having "whiskers"=2C either. (as long as
they don't
draw blood)
I don't think I've ever heard.....does the Kolb Company take a position o
n VGs?? Bryan??
Mike Welch
MkIII
From: slyck@frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs
I don't see any problem with starting out with them but=2C if you plan on
flying in windy air a lot you may be better off without them.
This isn't a factor on a Slingshot because that one likes to hug the ground
but on a FS or a MkIII=2C it is reassuring during rollout and
taxi to have a little LESS lift. Unless you are planting it in a pea patch
all the time that 5 mph stall doesn't make a lot of difference.
BB
happy with my old tugboat
On 25=2C May 2011=2C at 5:01 PM=2C Mike Welch wrote:
> You plan to test fly=2C get accustomed to your new airplane=2C with or wi
thout your new VGs?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Goodland=2C KS
John=2C
Since I haven't heard of anyone saying that installing the VGs made the p
lane fly worse=2C
(assuming a proper=2C proven installation)=2C I'd say=2C yeah=2C I'd probab
ly begin flying my plane
with VGs. I don't think I know "why not?"
From what I have heard=2C read=2C researched=2C etc=2C etc=2C the additio
n of VGs lowers stall speed=2C
make slow flight more controllable=2C plus a few other positive tendencies.
Why would it be
a bad thing to NOT start off with VGs?
I am ALWAYS willing to learn=2C especially from those that know more them
me. What is the
List's opinion on flying a new plane with VGs??
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Hi Mike ,
I have the Air Wave VG's on my M3X...$50.00 for 100 and I have I believe ,96 ( ? ) on the wing and 68 I think on the tail.here is the link for them... http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/airwavevortexgen.php
They worked on mine...
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A-2200
N327 CS
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| Subject: | Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs |
List,
Have Landshorter VG,s on the MK3.Love the way it handles.Got some Stolspee
ds from John Gilpin in Australia for free to do some wag testing.Not much h
elp in the wag dept They differ from the Landshorters because of the rounde
d rear edge.No sharp edges to snag a towel or cut your fingers,plus the adh
easive he uses is 3M,the type you can pry off gently leaving a sticky pad t
hat you can rub until it rolls up in a ball.It holds them securely but are
very removable.They are pre-punched ovals on a sheet.You peel and stick on
the VG then peel the paper off the bottom and place them.I had a friend who
was looking for vgs so I offered to pay for the lot if he sent me enough f
or the wing on a mk3. $85.00 for 108 of them.They come in a mailable packag
e.I don't think the price was special but you could inquire.
G.Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200a
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 1:15 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Landshorter & Stolspeed VGs
Thom,
Thanks for the in-depth report. I agree, it appears there isn't as much
difference
in brands, whether they be home-made or store bought, as there is in placem
ent.
Fortunately, there are several happy Kolb VG users, the placement seems to
be
in the valley between the ribs and half-ribs.
Jack's website is the one that shows actual dimensions of his home-made V
Gs.
He made his out of gutter aluminum. Since I am (on purpose) unemployed, I
don't
have much spending moola. I do, however, have quite a bit of spare time.
I seem to cut myself enough as it is, so I don't think I will use thin al
uminum to make
my VGs. ( I cut the living B'jesus out of the end of my right thumb two we
eks ago
with my angle grinder...... darn near needed stitches!!)
So, instead of aluminum, I've been doing some experimenting with Lexan.
I've made a few
'test samples' of VGs, primarily to see if they are strong enough for the t
ask! The results
so far are very promising.
I think, if I had to make my own using sheet aluminum, I'd rather buy the
Lexan VGs.
Maybe that's just me, 'cause I can picture bright red drops all over the to
ps of my wings!!
I have tons of .90" & .125" Lexan sheet, and like I said, I have more tim
e than money.
I'll probably go with my home-made ones. If they don't turn out beautiful,
I'll chuck 'em,
and order the StolSpeeds.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Do these have an official name ? |
Roger Lee wrote:
> http://michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9620_11057_14506---,00.html
Thanks John,
http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9622_11033_11151-65571--,00.html
I ordered the free state MDOT map of Michigan.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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