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1. 03:11 AM - Re: Where's John? (John Bickham)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? ()
3. 06:24 AM - Re: Where's John? (zeprep251@aol.com)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: Where's John? (william sullivan)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/26/11 (Bob Green)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Where's John? ()
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (TheWanderingWench)
8. 08:17 AM - Re: Where's John? (Kirkds)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (Larry Cottrell)
10. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (Larry Cottrell)
11. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Re: Where's John? (NeilsenRM@gmail.com)
12. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (Larry Cottrell)
13. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? ()
14. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? ()
15. 11:39 AM - Kolb Related, Kind of..... Author Unknown (Dennis Thate)
16. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Where's John? (zeprep251@aol.com)
17. 08:57 PM - Re: Where's John? (Greg Taylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
> The second day of flying, these winds were making me very uncomfortable.
Knowing John H, this is probably a huge understatement! His skill and tolerance
for flying in adverse wind conditions puts a lot of us to shame. Still enjoy
looking at that video of your 50 foot roll on your arrival to the Rock House
a couple of years ago.
Keep up the "smart" flying. Give Ms Karen a hug for me.
Speaking of being smart, don't trust Larry's wind advisory for your arrival at
the Rock House. His "wind rock" is not calibrated!!!
Thanks for keeping us posted on your adventure. Hope to join in again when I can.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds are horrific
and from the West.
I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't look good
until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes.
I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting weathered
in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best place in the world,
but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels.
Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chance of getting
hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds.
john h
Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
John,
If it's any consolation,been back from FL for 4 weeks here in Oh.3 flyable
days so far and 2 spent mowing the hayfield that formerly was our airfield.
1 airworthy day.Hope your conditions improve quickly.Stay smart
G.Aman MK3c jabiru 2200a, grass farmer in Ohio
-----Original Message-----
From: jhauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 2:42 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Where's John?
Hi Folks:
Just had an Angus Burger at McDonald's in beautiful downtown Laramie, WY.
If
you have never visited Laramie, you have not missed a thing. They do have
a
good FBO with computer, but the monitor is out of focus. When I sat down t
o
read my email and check weather, I thought something was wrong with my eyes
.
Maybe I will get used to everything being fuzzy.
Got out of Goodland, KS, at 1100 this morning. Was grateful for flyable we
ather
as far as Laramie. Did about 260 miles in 3 hours. Last 40 miles went fro
m 110
to 60 mph ground speed. That is depressing. Starting to get accustomed to
flying in higher winds, like 15 to 25, gusting to 35 mph. The second day o
f
flying, these winds were making me very uncomfortable. I have only gotten
two
full days of flying out of 6. Normally, this trip takes a total of 4 days.
Worst case, up until this trip, was 5 dzys. Will be setting a record this
time.
Last Wednesday I got out of Neosho, MO, at 0700. Flew two hours and landed
in
very high winds at Rick Girard's airstrip. Spent a couple hours with Rick
and
the wind started slacking off enough to get back in the air. Refueled at G
reat
Bend, KS, then headed out for Goodland. I was within 15 minutes of Goodlan
d
Airport when I very large black thunderstorm hit Goodland. I was about 25
miles
SE and the winds were very strong and turbulent. I had bypassed Oakley Air
port
a while back, but couldn't get back there in the headwind. Kept a nice slo
w
left hand turn to the south until I found a good section of dirt road and a
north/south intersection. All the road, mostly dirt, are orientated NS/EW.
The
wind was honking out of the SE, making for an interesting landing on the mu
ddy
road. There was a farm house at the intersection, and I followed a truck i
nto
the yard and up next to a barn. Told the farmer my problem and he asked me
to
move over to a wind break of cedar trees. !
Got the mkIII double tied down before the thunderstorm hit. Spent a coup
le
hours with Kim and Shaun in their home until the rain slacked off, then hea
ded
for Goodland. Nice to know there are folks that will still take strangers
right
off the road and into their homes.
Weather my be doable in the morning if I get out of here really early, like
first light. I'll do some more homework on the weather before I decide on
my
route to the Rock House. There is an alternate route through Pocatello, ID
,
that I might be able to do, or my original planned route through Evanston,
WY,
Heber City, UT, Provo, UT, and Wendover, UT.
Will have to play this trip by ear, one leg at a time, as weather and winds
permit, but I will eventually get to Larry and Karen Cottrel's.
Physically, for a 72 year old, I am doing great despite the bad wind and
weather. All these weather days play games mentally. I have to be very ca
reful
not to made dumb decisions. Sometimes it is very difficult not to be dumb.
;-)
Having fun on my first long XC in two years,
john h
mkIII
Laramie, WY
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- John- Too bad you didn't come up this way.- We have had 3 or 4 days o
f nice flying weather.- You out to be working for "Storm Chasers".
-
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------------ Bill Sullivan
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------------ Windsor Locks, Ct.
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------------ 75 degrees, light overcast, and the la
wn is a hayfield.
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/26/11 |
Thanks Boyd. Your email puts it all in perspective. I would say you are right
up there with John.
I accept your challenge about the 50 short trips. Those will be just as fulfilling
and challenging. Just hope I can get to the Phase 1 fly-off stage before
I get too old and have to retire totally from flying. Thanks for the encouragement.
I do respect all of you men that have pioneered the way for us, including
Rick Neilsen, Richard Pike and many others. I fail to mention so many more
mainly because we have not had direct communication. Please forgive me.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
I was prepared for normal conditions that I have encountered on my frequent flights
West, but not for winter weather we are having now. It is 39F and blowing
hard.
Looks like it may be Wednesday before I can even think of getting out of Laramie
and on to the Rock House, which is only 8 hours flight time away, under normal
conditions.
Neighbor called me yesterday to let me know a large hickory tree came down in a
storm, but caused no damage. Seems the ill weather is everywhere.
john h
mkIII
Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
John -
Makes me shudder to read your posts - the weather couldn't be worse for our
type of flying. So glad you're in Laramie and able to sit it out in a mote
l, with a courtesy car. I remember flying back from the Rock House and gett
ing weathered in at Burns, OR for 3 days due to high winds. Boring, boring,
boring - but safe!
I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is doing down in
southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain, rain and more ra
in.
Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just do it".
Arty
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
=0A Helen Keller
=0A
=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Fri, 5/27/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Hard to believe it is almost June.- Temps just above freezing and winds
are horrific and from the West.
I've researched routes through the south, central, and north.- Doesn't lo
ok good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes
.
I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting weat
hered in at an airport with no facilities.- Laramie is not the best place
in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels.
Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days.- Not worth the chanc
e of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds.
john h
Laramie, WY
le, List Admin.
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That's what guitars are for. Pickin and waitin.
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which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: TheWanderingWench
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John?
John -
Makes me shudder to read your posts - the weather couldn't be
worse for our type of flying. So glad you're in Laramie and able to sit
it out in a motel, with a courtesy car. I remember flying back from the
Rock House and getting weathered in at Burns, OR for 3 days due to high
winds. Boring, boring, boring - but safe!
I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is
doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain,
rain and more rain.
Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just
do it".
Arty
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at
death."
--- On Fri, 5/27/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
wrote:
Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing
and winds are horrific and from the West.
I've researched routes through the south, central, and north.
Doesn't look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying
litle airplanes.
I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of
getting weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not
the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and
motels.
Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not
worth the chance of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps
and howling winds.
john = -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/cont
ribution
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----- Original Message -----
From: TheWanderingWench
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John?
John -
Makes me shudder to read your posts - the weather couldn't be
worse for our type of flying. So glad you're in Laramie and able to sit
it out in a motel, with a courtesy car. I remember flying back from the
Rock House and getting weathered in at Burns, OR for 3 days due to high
winds. Boring, boring, boring - but safe!
I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is
doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain,
rain and more rain.
Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just
do it".
Arty
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at
death."
--- On Fri, 5/27/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
wrote:
Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing
and winds are horrific and from the West.
I've researched routes through the south, central, and north.
Doesn't look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying
litle airplanes.
I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of
getting weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not
the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and
motels.
Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not
worth the chance of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps
and howling winds.
john = -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/cont
ribution
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
John/All
Good to hear about your flight. On my relatively short cross countries I
tended to pressed on beyond my comfort level too often. It takes away from
the good memories.
One of my best memories was flying as a flight of 5 (four Kolbs) from Iron
Mountain MI to Oshkosh WI for Airventure. John H, John W, Scott T, Me and a
Kit Fox Lt Pilot. I remember the 503, or was that a 447, powered Kit Fox
pilot commenting that he flew at full throttle all the way to keep up with
us (we don't hear that very often). John W didn't want to stop for any
wimpy bathroom breaks so it was nonstop the whole way.
I'm back from Florida with a side trip to Arizona to see my mother. The
plane is still in the trailer. Winds have been too strong or too wet too
even work on the plane. I will be moving the plane to a hanger this week.
Keep flying smart.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On , jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote:
> Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds
> are horrific and from the West.
> I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't
> look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle
> airplanes.
> I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting
> weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best
> place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels.
> Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chance
> of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds.
> john h
> Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
We are showing rain through about mid week. Our weatherman said earlier
that the current weather patterns would not change until June. I hope
that he is right. Forecast show a drop to 20 percent chance by next
Tuesday, and through the week.
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: TheWanderingWench
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John?
John -
I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is
doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain,
rain and more rain.
Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just
do it".
Arty
Sandy, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
A RANS S6 and S7 flew in this morning, early, from SLC. At 13,500 feet they had
a ground speed of 175 mph. Both of them were near frozen when they got on the
ground. They were headed to Chicago.
No way I would or could buck those kinds of headwinds. Never get to the next airport.
This is a winter storm the end of May. ;-(
Not even tempted to try to make it to Rawlins, WY, or any place else.
john h
mkIII
Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
Folks:
I think we will just have to wait it out until all the bad weather gets flushed
out of the NW. That should be about next Wed. ;-)
The nice thing about all this bad weather and waiting is the fun and good times
we will have when we finally meet up at the Rock House again. Times like these
are priceless.
All the folks I have met and return to visit are the result of flying my Kolb cross
country over the years. You meet the nicest people flying Kolbs.
john h
mkIII
Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Kolb Related, Kind of..... Author Unknown |
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires ans struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
Rick,
Weather has been putrid.Flew today for the first time in 3 weeks.There was
moss on the north end of the MK3.It NEVER has set for this long.
Welcome home!
G.Aman MK3C
-----Original Message-----
From: NeilsenRM <NeilsenRM@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:22 am
Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John?
John/All
Good to hear about your flight. On my relatively short cross countries I te
nded to pressed on beyond my comfort level too often. It takes away from th
e good memories.
One of my best memories was flying as a flight of 5 (four Kolbs) from Iron
Mountain MI to Oshkosh WI for Airventure. John H, John W, Scott T, Me and a
Kit Fox Lt Pilot. I remember the 503, or was that a 447, powered Kit Fox p
ilot commenting that he flew at full throttle all the way to keep up with u
s (we don't hear that very often). John W didn't want to stop for any wimpy
bathroom breaks so it was nonstop the whole way.
I'm back from Florida with a side trip to Arizona to see my mother. The pla
ne is still in the trailer. Winds have been too strong or too wet too even
work on the plane. I will be moving the plane to a hanger this week.
Keep flying smart.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On , jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds
are horrific and from the West.
>
>
>
> I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't lo
ok good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes
.
>
>
>
> I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting we
athered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best place
in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels.
>
>
>
> Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chanc
e of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> Laramie, WY
>
>
>
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin========
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where's John? |
Where are you located in Ohio?
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where's John?
John,
If it's any consolation,been back from FL for 4 weeks here in Oh.3
flyable days so far and 2 spent mowing the hayfield that formerly was
our airfield.1 airworthy day.Hope your conditions improve quickly.Stay
smart
G.Aman MK3c jabiru 2200a, grass farmer in Ohio
-----Original Message-----
From: jhauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 2:42 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Where's John?
Hi Folks:
Just had an Angus Burger at McDonald's in beautiful downtown Laramie,
WY. If
you have never visited Laramie, you have not missed a thing. They do
have a
good FBO with computer, but the monitor is out of focus. When I sat
down to
read my email and check weather, I thought something was wrong with my
eyes.
Maybe I will get used to everything being fuzzy.
Got out of Goodland, KS, at 1100 this morning. Was grateful for flyable
weather
as far as Laramie. Did about 260 miles in 3 hours. Last 40 miles went
from 110
to 60 mph ground speed. That is depressing. Starting to get accustomed
to
flying in higher winds, like 15 to 25, gusting to 35 mph. The second
day of
flying, these winds were making me very uncomfortable. I have only
gotten two
full days of flying out of 6. Normally, this trip takes a total of 4
days.
Worst case, up until this trip, was 5 dzys. Will be setting a record
this time.
Last Wednesday I got out of Neosho, MO, at 0700. Flew two hours and
landed in
very high winds at Rick Girard's airstrip. Spent a couple hours with
Rick and
the wind started slacking off enough to get back in the air. Refueled
at Great
Bend, KS, then headed out for Goodland. I was within 15 minutes of
Goodland
Airport when I very large black thunderstorm hit Goodland. I was about
25 miles
SE and the winds were very strong and turbulent. I had bypassed Oakley
Airport
a while back, but couldn't get back there in the headwind. Kept a nice
slow
left hand turn to the south until I found a good section of dirt road
and a
north/south intersection. All the road, mostly dirt, are orientated
NS/EW. The
wind was honking out of the SE, making for an interesting landing on the
muddy
road. There was a farm house at the intersection, and I followed a
truck into
the yard and up next to a barn. Told the farmer my problem and he asked
me to
move over to a wind break of cedar trees. !
Got the mkIII double tied down before the thunderstorm hit. Spent a
couple
hours with Kim and Shaun in their home until the rain slacked off, then
headed
for Goodland. Nice to know there are folks that will still take
strangers right
off the road and into their homes.
Weather my be doable in the morning if I get out of here really early,
like
first light. I'll do some more homework on the weather before I decide
on my
route to the Rock House. There is an alternate route through Pocatello,
ID,
that I might be able to do, or my original planned route through
Evanston, WY,
Heber City, UT, Provo, UT, and Wendover, UT.
Will have to play this trip by ear, one leg at a time, as weather and
winds
permit, but I will eventually get to Larry and Karen Cottrel's.
Physically, for a 72 year old, I am doing great despite the bad wind and
weather. All these weather days play games mentally. I have to be very
careful
not to made dumb decisions. Sometimes it is very difficult not to be
dumb. ;-)
Having fun on my first long XC in two years,
john h
mkIII
Laramie, WY
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