---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/27/11: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:11 AM - Re: Where's John? (John Bickham) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? () 3. 06:24 AM - Re: Where's John? (zeprep251@aol.com) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: Where's John? (william sullivan) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/26/11 (Bob Green) 6. 07:15 AM - Re: Where's John? () 7. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (TheWanderingWench) 8. 08:17 AM - Re: Where's John? (Kirkds) 9. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (Larry Cottrell) 10. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (Larry Cottrell) 11. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Re: Where's John? (NeilsenRM@gmail.com) 12. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? (Larry Cottrell) 13. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? () 14. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Where's John? () 15. 11:39 AM - Kolb Related, Kind of..... Author Unknown (Dennis Thate) 16. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Where's John? (zeprep251@aol.com) 17. 08:57 PM - Re: Where's John? (Greg Taylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? From: "John Bickham" > The second day of flying, these winds were making me very uncomfortable. Knowing John H, this is probably a huge understatement! His skill and tolerance for flying in adverse wind conditions puts a lot of us to shame. Still enjoy looking at that video of your 50 foot roll on your arrival to the Rock House a couple of years ago. Keep up the "smart" flying. Give Ms Karen a hug for me. Speaking of being smart, don't trust Larry's wind advisory for your arrival at the Rock House. His "wind rock" is not calibrated!!! Thanks for keeping us posted on your adventure. Hope to join in again when I can. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341180#341180 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:34 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds are horrific and from the West. I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes. I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels. Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chance of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds. john h Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where's John? From: zeprep251@aol.com John, If it's any consolation,been back from FL for 4 weeks here in Oh.3 flyable days so far and 2 spent mowing the hayfield that formerly was our airfield. 1 airworthy day.Hope your conditions improve quickly.Stay smart G.Aman MK3c jabiru 2200a, grass farmer in Ohio -----Original Message----- From: jhauck Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 2:42 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Where's John? Hi Folks: Just had an Angus Burger at McDonald's in beautiful downtown Laramie, WY. If you have never visited Laramie, you have not missed a thing. They do have a good FBO with computer, but the monitor is out of focus. When I sat down t o read my email and check weather, I thought something was wrong with my eyes . Maybe I will get used to everything being fuzzy. Got out of Goodland, KS, at 1100 this morning. Was grateful for flyable we ather as far as Laramie. Did about 260 miles in 3 hours. Last 40 miles went fro m 110 to 60 mph ground speed. That is depressing. Starting to get accustomed to flying in higher winds, like 15 to 25, gusting to 35 mph. The second day o f flying, these winds were making me very uncomfortable. I have only gotten two full days of flying out of 6. Normally, this trip takes a total of 4 days. Worst case, up until this trip, was 5 dzys. Will be setting a record this time. Last Wednesday I got out of Neosho, MO, at 0700. Flew two hours and landed in very high winds at Rick Girard's airstrip. Spent a couple hours with Rick and the wind started slacking off enough to get back in the air. Refueled at G reat Bend, KS, then headed out for Goodland. I was within 15 minutes of Goodlan d Airport when I very large black thunderstorm hit Goodland. I was about 25 miles SE and the winds were very strong and turbulent. I had bypassed Oakley Air port a while back, but couldn't get back there in the headwind. Kept a nice slo w left hand turn to the south until I found a good section of dirt road and a north/south intersection. All the road, mostly dirt, are orientated NS/EW. The wind was honking out of the SE, making for an interesting landing on the mu ddy road. There was a farm house at the intersection, and I followed a truck i nto the yard and up next to a barn. Told the farmer my problem and he asked me to move over to a wind break of cedar trees. ! Got the mkIII double tied down before the thunderstorm hit. Spent a coup le hours with Kim and Shaun in their home until the rain slacked off, then hea ded for Goodland. Nice to know there are folks that will still take strangers right off the road and into their homes. Weather my be doable in the morning if I get out of here really early, like first light. I'll do some more homework on the weather before I decide on my route to the Rock House. There is an alternate route through Pocatello, ID , that I might be able to do, or my original planned route through Evanston, WY, Heber City, UT, Provo, UT, and Wendover, UT. Will have to play this trip by ear, one leg at a time, as weather and winds permit, but I will eventually get to Larry and Karen Cottrel's. Physically, for a 72 year old, I am doing great despite the bad wind and weather. All these weather days play games mentally. I have to be very ca reful not to made dumb decisions. Sometimes it is very difficult not to be dumb. ;-) Having fun on my first long XC in two years, john h mkIII Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:55 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? - John- Too bad you didn't come up this way.- We have had 3 or 4 days o f nice flying weather.- You out to be working for "Storm Chasers". - ------------------------- ------------ Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------ Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------ 75 degrees, light overcast, and the la wn is a hayfield. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:52 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/26/11 Thanks Boyd. Your email puts it all in perspective. I would say you are right up there with John. I accept your challenge about the 50 short trips. Those will be just as fulfilling and challenging. Just hope I can get to the Phase 1 fly-off stage before I get too old and have to retire totally from flying. Thanks for the encouragement. I do respect all of you men that have pioneered the way for us, including Rick Neilsen, Richard Pike and many others. I fail to mention so many more mainly because we have not had direct communication. Please forgive me. Bob ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:27 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where's John? I was prepared for normal conditions that I have encountered on my frequent flights West, but not for winter weather we are having now. It is 39F and blowing hard. Looks like it may be Wednesday before I can even think of getting out of Laramie and on to the Rock House, which is only 8 hours flight time away, under normal conditions. Neighbor called me yesterday to let me know a large hickory tree came down in a storm, but caused no damage. Seems the ill weather is everywhere. john h mkIII Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:29 AM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? John - Makes me shudder to read your posts - the weather couldn't be worse for our type of flying. So glad you're in Laramie and able to sit it out in a mote l, with a courtesy car. I remember flying back from the Rock House and gett ing weathered in at Burns, OR for 3 days due to high winds. Boring, boring, boring - but safe! I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain, rain and more ra in. Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just do it". Arty Sandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm =0A =0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" =0A Helen Keller =0A =0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Fri, 5/27/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote: Hard to believe it is almost June.- Temps just above freezing and winds are horrific and from the West. I've researched routes through the south, central, and north.- Doesn't lo ok good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes .. I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting weat hered in at an airport with no facilities.- Laramie is not the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels. Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days.- Not worth the chanc e of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds. john h Laramie, WY le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? From: "Kirkds" That's what guitars are for. Pickin and waitin. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341202#341202 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:26 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheWanderingWench To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? John - Makes me shudder to read your posts - the weather couldn't be worse for our type of flying. So glad you're in Laramie and able to sit it out in a motel, with a courtesy car. I remember flying back from the Rock House and getting weathered in at Burns, OR for 3 days due to high winds. Boring, boring, boring - but safe! I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain, rain and more rain. Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just do it". Arty Sandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Fri, 5/27/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote: Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds are horrific and from the West. I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes. I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels. Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chance of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds. john = --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/cont ribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:51 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheWanderingWench To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? John - Makes me shudder to read your posts - the weather couldn't be worse for our type of flying. So glad you're in Laramie and able to sit it out in a motel, with a courtesy car. I remember flying back from the Rock House and getting weathered in at Burns, OR for 3 days due to high winds. Boring, boring, boring - but safe! I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain, rain and more rain. Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just do it". Arty Sandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Fri, 5/27/11, jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote: Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds are horrific and from the West. I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes. I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels. Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chance of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds. john = --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/cont ribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? From: NeilsenRM@gmail.com John/All Good to hear about your flight. On my relatively short cross countries I tended to pressed on beyond my comfort level too often. It takes away from the good memories. One of my best memories was flying as a flight of 5 (four Kolbs) from Iron Mountain MI to Oshkosh WI for Airventure. John H, John W, Scott T, Me and a Kit Fox Lt Pilot. I remember the 503, or was that a 447, powered Kit Fox pilot commenting that he flew at full throttle all the way to keep up with us (we don't hear that very often). John W didn't want to stop for any wimpy bathroom breaks so it was nonstop the whole way. I'm back from Florida with a side trip to Arizona to see my mother. The plane is still in the trailer. Winds have been too strong or too wet too even work on the plane. I will be moving the plane to a hanger this week. Keep flying smart. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On , jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote: > Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds > are horrific and from the West. > I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't > look good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle > airplanes. > I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting > weathered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best > place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels. > Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chance > of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds. > john h > Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:10 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? We are showing rain through about mid week. Our weatherman said earlier that the current weather patterns would not change until June. I hope that he is right. Forecast show a drop to 20 percent chance by next Tuesday, and through the week. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheWanderingWench To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? John - I haven't talked to Larry, so don't know what the weather is doing down in southeastern Oregon, but here in western Oregon it's rain, rain and more rain. Wishing you all the best, and glad you're not tempted to "just do it". Arty Sandy, Oregon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:24 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? A RANS S6 and S7 flew in this morning, early, from SLC. At 13,500 feet they had a ground speed of 175 mph. Both of them were near frozen when they got on the ground. They were headed to Chicago. No way I would or could buck those kinds of headwinds. Never get to the next airport. This is a winter storm the end of May. ;-( Not even tempted to try to make it to Rawlins, WY, or any place else. john h mkIII Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:42 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? Folks: I think we will just have to wait it out until all the bad weather gets flushed out of the NW. That should be about next Wed. ;-) The nice thing about all this bad weather and waiting is the fun and good times we will have when we finally meet up at the Rock House again. Times like these are priceless. All the folks I have met and return to visit are the result of flying my Kolb cross country over the years. You meet the nicest people flying Kolbs. john h mkIII Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Related, Kind of..... Author Unknown From: "Dennis Thate" Taildragger Taildragger Taildragger, I hate your guts, I have the license, ratings and such. But to make you go straight is driving me nuts. With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch. It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much. You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear with one up front and two in the rear. She was sleek and clean and easy to steer But this miserasble thing with tires ans struts Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much. It demands your attention on the take-off roll or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal. Gotta hang loose, don't over control. This wicked little plane is just too much. With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene I think I've mastered this slippery machine It's not that bad if you have the touch Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much. I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye, I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry That's my own tail that's going by. You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts, Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH. Author Unknown -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341219#341219 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? From: zeprep251@aol.com Rick, Weather has been putrid.Flew today for the first time in 3 weeks.There was moss on the north end of the MK3.It NEVER has set for this long. Welcome home! G.Aman MK3C -----Original Message----- From: NeilsenRM Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:22 am Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's John? John/All Good to hear about your flight. On my relatively short cross countries I te nded to pressed on beyond my comfort level too often. It takes away from th e good memories. One of my best memories was flying as a flight of 5 (four Kolbs) from Iron Mountain MI to Oshkosh WI for Airventure. John H, John W, Scott T, Me and a Kit Fox Lt Pilot. I remember the 503, or was that a 447, powered Kit Fox p ilot commenting that he flew at full throttle all the way to keep up with u s (we don't hear that very often). John W didn't want to stop for any wimpy bathroom breaks so it was nonstop the whole way. I'm back from Florida with a side trip to Arizona to see my mother. The pla ne is still in the trailer. Winds have been too strong or too wet too even work on the plane. I will be moving the plane to a hanger this week. Keep flying smart. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On , jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > Hard to believe it is almost June. Temps just above freezing and winds are horrific and from the West. > > > > I've researched routes through the south, central, and north. Doesn't lo ok good until the middle of next week, anywhere, for flying litle airplanes .. > > > > I don't want to leave a comfortable place and take a chance of getting we athered in at an airport with no facilities. Laramie is not the best place in the world, but I have use of a courtesy car, food, and motels. > > > > Probably end up here in Laramie for the next 5 days. Not worth the chanc e of getting hung up in the Rockies with freezing temps and howling winds. > > > > john h > > Laramie, WY > > > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin======== > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:19 PM PST US From: "Greg Taylor" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where's John? Where are you located in Ohio? Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where's John? John, If it's any consolation,been back from FL for 4 weeks here in Oh.3 flyable days so far and 2 spent mowing the hayfield that formerly was our airfield.1 airworthy day.Hope your conditions improve quickly.Stay smart G.Aman MK3c jabiru 2200a, grass farmer in Ohio -----Original Message----- From: jhauck To: kolb-list Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 2:42 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Where's John? Hi Folks: Just had an Angus Burger at McDonald's in beautiful downtown Laramie, WY. If you have never visited Laramie, you have not missed a thing. They do have a good FBO with computer, but the monitor is out of focus. When I sat down to read my email and check weather, I thought something was wrong with my eyes. Maybe I will get used to everything being fuzzy. Got out of Goodland, KS, at 1100 this morning. Was grateful for flyable weather as far as Laramie. Did about 260 miles in 3 hours. Last 40 miles went from 110 to 60 mph ground speed. That is depressing. Starting to get accustomed to flying in higher winds, like 15 to 25, gusting to 35 mph. The second day of flying, these winds were making me very uncomfortable. I have only gotten two full days of flying out of 6. Normally, this trip takes a total of 4 days. Worst case, up until this trip, was 5 dzys. Will be setting a record this time. Last Wednesday I got out of Neosho, MO, at 0700. Flew two hours and landed in very high winds at Rick Girard's airstrip. Spent a couple hours with Rick and the wind started slacking off enough to get back in the air. Refueled at Great Bend, KS, then headed out for Goodland. I was within 15 minutes of Goodland Airport when I very large black thunderstorm hit Goodland. I was about 25 miles SE and the winds were very strong and turbulent. I had bypassed Oakley Airport a while back, but couldn't get back there in the headwind. Kept a nice slow left hand turn to the south until I found a good section of dirt road and a north/south intersection. All the road, mostly dirt, are orientated NS/EW. The wind was honking out of the SE, making for an interesting landing on the muddy road. There was a farm house at the intersection, and I followed a truck into the yard and up next to a barn. Told the farmer my problem and he asked me to move over to a wind break of cedar trees. ! Got the mkIII double tied down before the thunderstorm hit. Spent a couple hours with Kim and Shaun in their home until the rain slacked off, then headed for Goodland. Nice to know there are folks that will still take strangers right off the road and into their homes. Weather my be doable in the morning if I get out of here really early, like first light. I'll do some more homework on the weather before I decide on my route to the Rock House. There is an alternate route through Pocatello, ID, that I might be able to do, or my original planned route through Evanston, WY, Heber City, UT, Provo, UT, and Wendover, UT. Will have to play this trip by ear, one leg at a time, as weather and winds permit, but I will eventually get to Larry and Karen Cottrel's. Physically, for a 72 year old, I am doing great despite the bad wind and weather. All these weather days play games mentally. I have to be very careful not to made dumb decisions. Sometimes it is very difficult not to be dumb. ;-) Having fun on my first long XC in two years, john h mkIII Laramie, WY get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.