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Thanks for the explanations.
Does it usually give any warning before happening? Such as sounds like it is laboring,
misfiring, loss of rpm?
David d.
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Usually just a few seconds of decreasing RPM and then the engine stops
running. The devilish thing is that it only takes a few minutes of cooling
for it to free up again the first time so without dropping the exhaust "Y"
off the engine and looking at the piston for physical damage it might be
passed off as something else.
Here's a classic example. Listen to the engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnizNsy8Kww
Rick Girard
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:54 AM, SS568 <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote:
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A cold seizure is what happens when the engine is comparatively cold, power is
added rapidly, and the aluminum piston expands faster than the steel cylinder
liner, reducing clearance.
Here is Mike Stratman's analysis:
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part27.pdf
The water cooled Rotax 532/582 is susceptible to a cold seizure if the water is
not hot throughout the system. A long glide at idle can get the water cool, so
now the thermostat closes, now the water in the radiator gets really cool because
the water is hardly circulating, and then you (DOH) go to climb power. The
engine starts suddenly generating serious heat so the thermostat opens and
dumps the cold water from the radiator into an engine running at full power. Squeeeeak......
That is why Rotax came up with the complicated plumbing situation
on the 582 Blue Head version, to try and keep the water that has gotten cool
out of the engine until it gets warmed up. Also known as trying to make the
engine fool proof, but we keep coming up with ways to be foolish and not give
the engine what it wants.
Scenario: several years ago Vince & I were doing efficiency tests on a Ivo prop
which involved climbing to altitude, pulling the power back to idle, gliding
down at best glide to a predetermined altitude, and then going back to full power
and climbing back to a predetermined altitude, all while carefully timing
the climbs and glides.
After gliding down a couple thousand feet, the water temperature gauge always showed
I had a cold engine, so I would ease the throttle back in and just arrest
the descent at partial power - 4800 rpm or so - until I got it hot enough to
go to full power and start another climb cycle.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Thanks for the thought about the steel liner. Although the suzuki is a different
animal it shares some similarities:
all aluminum, including head, with steel liners, water cooled.
I have to wait a good period of time before takeoff because, even with a thermostat,
an aluminum engine with no load
sheds a lot of heat. At takeoff and cruise rpms it generates plenty.
Another factor, if you are using the belt redrive, is that the engine grows and
at temp the slack comes out of the belt.
Not good to load it running loose.
Another reason for a thorough warmup is that, even with a water heated manifold
muff, the little beast is prone to
carb icing. I tend to stay on the ground in weather conducive to ice problems.
Even after landing at a function like a fly in, I have to wait longer than a standard
airplane to get to a good engine temp.
It appears that I now have my fuel contamination issue problems taken care of and
it is running perfectly.
Last year was a bad one but a learning experience. BTW, those new heavy wall tanks
look to be doing ok.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
2 blade, 70" warp drive
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| Subject: | Re: mounting Video Camera's |
Rick,
I have just been looking at those interesting `tuft` tests of the
airflow around the Xtra.
The tufts seem to twist towards the vertical as the speed and RPM
increases but is it the speed or the prop sucking more air through that
causes the change?
Have you tried a similar exercise with the engine OFF.?. That would at
least establish if it is the natural airflow or the prop. You just might
be able to smooth the flow out with some very careful detail work around
the pod (Fit VG`s ????) but if it is the prop there doesn`t seem much
that can be done.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
> Sadly in Minnesota liability issues prevents me from inviting you to stay & camp
at my 'private' strip.
Ok, I'll be the first.
Dennis,
Regarding your photo selection, are you aware Arty Trost is a female pilot? How
about a little respect?
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
Hi Dennis,
<<Sadly in Minnesota liability issues prevents me from inviting you to stay
& camp at my 'private' strip. >>
Good grief. Things are not quite as bad as that in the UK yet. In fact
there is a push developing even at governmental level to stop this sort of
stupidity. Curtailing no win ,no fee operations and ambulance chasers. Our
main government culprit the Health and Safety Department head came out this
week and said that she was tired of organisations imposing all sorts of
regulations on health and safety grounds when the Department has nothing to
do with it. It is just councils and other bodies imposing unpopular rules
entirely on their own bat . Schools making kids playing `conkers` wear eye
shields, officials turning people off a grass mound at Wimbledon last week
because` the grass was wet and someone might slip. My local Council stopped
a shopkeeper displaying his goods on the sidewalk, which he has done for
about 40 years , in case someone walked into it and hurt themselves. You
couldn`t make it up.
Perhaps some sanity is returning but don`t hold your breath.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
-- "The first thig we have to do is kill all the lawyers.- Then there
won't be anyone around to tell us that what we are doing is wrong."
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do not archive
--- On Fri, 7/8/11, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh
Hi Dennis,
<<Sadly in Minnesota liability issues prevents me from inviting you to stay
& camp at my 'private' strip.- >>
Good grief. Things are not quite as bad as that in the UK yet.- In fact t
here is a push developing even at governmental level to stop this sort of s
tupidity. Curtailing no win ,no fee operations and ambulance chasers. Our m
ain government culprit the Health and Safety Department head came out this
week and said that she was tired of organisations imposing all sorts of reg
ulations on health and safety grounds when the Department has nothing to do
with it. It is just councils and other bodies imposing unpopular rules ent
irely on their own bat . Schools making kids playing `conkers` wear eye shi
elds, officials turning people off a grass mound at Wimbledon last week bec
ause` the grass was wet and someone might slip. My local Council stopped a
shopkeeper displaying his goods on the sidewalk, which he has done for abou
t 40 years , in case someone walked into it and hurt themselves. You couldn
`t make it up.
Perhaps some sanity is returning but don`t hold your breath.
Cheers
Pat
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
"The first thig we have to do is kill all the lawyers>>
Didn`t one of Shakespeare's characters say that?
Even in his day they were a plague.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
You should look at Minnesota's recreational liability statute... most likely it,
like most other states' status, protects you from liability as long as you don't
charge for the use of your land.
-Dana
Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net> wrote:
> Sadly in Minnesota liability issues prevents me from inviting you to stay & camp
at my 'private' strip.
Ok, I'll be the first.
Dennis,
Regarding your photo selection, are you aware Arty Trost is a female pilot? How
about a little respect?
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
- I always liked his quotes.- A little more suitable for the List is, "
They are all insane but thee and me, and I have my doubts about thee."
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do not archive
--- On Fri, 7/8/11, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh
-"The first thig we have to do is kill all the lawyers>>
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Didn`t- one of Shakespeare's characters say that?
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Even in his day they were a plague.
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Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
- Vermont has a recreational liability release.- If your land is open t
o the public, no liability.- if it's posted, it's up to you to enforce it
.- I leave mine open, and if I chose to get liability insurance it's only
an additional $5 a year on my homeowner's policy.
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do not archive
--- On Fri, 7/8/11, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh
You should look at Minnesota's recreational liability statute... most likel
y it, like most other states' status, protects you from liability as long a
s you don't charge for the use of your land.
-Dana
Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net> wrote:
Search
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| Subject: | Re: anybody in Louisiana |
Hi Travis,
I have also been sorta searching . I have not really decided on a single or 2
place Kolb. But in all likely hood it will be a Kolb.
Two places to look are Craigs list and
Barnstormers dot com
And hang around here , often folk will hawk their Kolbs and provide a link.
Introduce your self and kick a few tires.
David d.
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| Subject: | Re: anybody in Louisiana |
I understand that and have been searching barnstormers pretty regularly to see
what all comes up (most of which are nowhere close to me). I am looking for someone
with one that is close that is not for sale so I can see it in person,
sit in it and talk to the unbiased owner (not selling it to me) opinion/experiences
with their aircraft. Then and only then will I think I will be able to
make a good decision that the Kolb is the right aircraft for me.
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: mounting Video Camera's |
Just got done buying a Koday ZI8 camera on ebay, looking forward to taking some
movies of my own. Thanks for the tips.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
There is no such thing as 'liability release' in Minnesota. If I give consent for
a guest pilot to land on my private strip....friend crashes and dies. The life
insurance company pays the benefactor and insurance company goes after me
to reclaim their losses. Even if friend has signed an 'liability release' agreement
not to sue. Which by the way is not legal in Minnesota.
Regarding photo; I have "an indelicate sense of humor". You'll have to toughen
up a bit. [Wink]
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
Never mind the photo, I was wondering why if you did not intend to offer
any help to Arty, did you even bother to reply to her request for
friendly places to stop?
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Thate
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh
<retroman@frontier.com>
There is no such thing as 'liability release' in Minnesota. If I give
consent for a guest pilot to land on my private strip....friend crashes
and dies. The life insurance company pays the benefactor and insurance
company goes after me to reclaim their losses. Even if friend has signed
an 'liability release' agreement not to sue. Which by the way is not
legal in Minnesota.
Regarding photo; I have "an indelicate sense of humor". You'll have
to toughen up a bit. [Wink]
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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Rick and Jack,
I went to the hanger today and started the Firefly. I dialed the Ivo
in at 6250 rpms. I ran it for about 30 minutes. I made 2 takeoffs and
put her right back down on the runway. All seemed normal. Checked
compression. Both cylinders read 87 lbs. I pulled the exhaust off and looked
in the
ports. There appeared to be a few shiny streaks up and down on the
pistons, but I could not feel them with my finger. The rings were all loose when
pushed with a stick. Looking back to the day it quit , I had it tied down,
and running in a nose down attitude with less than a gallon of gas so it
could be it was starved for fuel. I am sure what to do at this point.
Ed Diebel { In Houston FF 62 )
dated 7/4/2011 1:17:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
aslsa.rng@gmail.com writes:
Take off the exhaust manifold at the port and examine the side of the
piston. If it seized that's where you'll find the damage. You're looking for
vertical streaks or scratches. If you find evidence one or both pistons
seized you can use Muriatic (concrete etch) acid on a rag to clean off the
aluminum on the cylinder walls. Be careful to only get it on the iron cylinder
liner. You'll need to replace both pistons, too.
Rick Girard
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