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1. 02:06 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Mike Welch)
2. 03:21 AM - Re: Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh (Pat Ladd)
3. 03:26 AM - Re: Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh (Pat Ladd)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Jerry Deckard)
5. 05:37 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (robert bean)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Mike Welch)
7. 06:56 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Dana Hague)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: Gathering at Nauga Field - Nov 11, 12, 13 (John Hauck)
9. 07:05 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (John Hauck)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (william sullivan)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Jerry Deckard)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Richard Pike)
13. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: mounting Video Camera's (Larry Cottrell)
14. 01:15 PM - Re: Kolb Axle Jack (Thom Riddle)
15. 02:11 PM - Stits repair (william sullivan)
16. 03:15 PM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (russ kinne)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: mounting Video Camera's (russ kinne)
18. 04:08 PM - Re: Stits repair (Mike Welch)
19. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: mounting Video Camera's (Larry Cottrell)
20. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Creating a private airstrip (Dana Hague)
21. 04:25 PM - Re: Stits repair (william sullivan)
22. 04:30 PM - Re: Stits repair (Richard Girard)
23. 05:06 PM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Richard Pike)
24. 05:18 PM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Sky Biker)
25. 05:25 PM - Re: Stits repair (robert bean)
26. 05:26 PM - Re: Stits repair (william sullivan)
27. 07:51 PM - Re: Creating a private airstrip (Jack B. Hart)
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| Subject: | Creating a private airstrip |
> I have some general questions about private airstrips=2C for anyone who o
wns one=2C uses one=2C or knows someone that does. I'm moving >soon and I f
ound a home I'm considering buying. It's located on a narrow=2C long=2C fla
t tract of land located within city limits and it would >be perfect for ult
ralights.
>
> Phil H. - Lurker majeure :)
Phil=2C
I was in the process of putting it an airstrip on my property once. I di
dn't finish it=2C though.
I was also a real estate agent=2C and a general contractor....so I'm fairly
familar with "planning &
zoning=2C building codes=2C land use restrictions=2C a&&hole neighbors=2C e
tc.
If you want to find out if you "CAN" put in your airstrip=2C contact the
local Planning & Zoning
department. All land=2C whether it is commercial=2C industrial=2C resident
ial=2C or whatever has
ALLOWABLE uses....and the local P & Z rules determine exactly what those us
es can be.
Each type of land will have dozens of "typical" types of uses that are allo
wed. These lists
will sometimes include what is NOT allowed=2C too=2C and I would suspect an
airstrip is one of them.
Example=3B for a residential R-3 property=2C within city limits=2C less
than 1 acre=2C on a paved street=2C
using city services (water=2C elec=2C gas=2C etc) will allow '1' single fam
ily home=2C not less than 1200 sq ft=2C
etc=2C etc=2C etc=2C etc. You get the idea. What you can and can not do
is NOT by whim!!! It is determined
by the State=2C the County=2C and the City where you want to put it=2C gene
rally speaking=2C it is MOST
determined by the local P & Z department....and trust me=2C they'll be the
ones who show up to tell you
you can't do this if the codes so "NO".
P & Z makes the decision=2C NOT your neighbors. If P & Z says it's okay
=2C neighbors can't say too much.
If P & Z rules say it NOT ok=2C then one gripe by a neighbor shuts you down
.
From my real estate days....I say "do NOT buy that property expecting you
can do what you want"!! It is
up to you to confirm your intentions prior to making an offer! You haven't
made an offer yet=2C right?
If you have a real estate agent worth a damn=2C he/she would do all the leg
work to find out what you
want=2C and see if it is approved by the local CC&R's. But then=2C again
=2C that may be just me.
BTW=2C IMO=2C I doubt very seriously if you're going to fly from that gra
ss strip in city limits. Those
days are gone. You're going to need some country property....and don't for
get P & Z's permission!
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
Hi Russ
<<in the US a signed release (called a 'Hold-Harmless' Release) isn't
worth a lot>>
I have never heard of this sort of informal agreement except in the case
of taking a passenger for a flight. We had them in the gliding club when
I first started flying in 1964. We always called it the `Blood chit`
and it just says `flying is dangerous if anything happens it aint my
fault`
I still get anyone that I fly sign a chit. I don`t think that it has
ever been seriously challenged in Court but I suspect that it wouldn`t
hold water.. Thank heaven that we are not quite as litigious as you.
YET.
The other day I spoke to a guy who was the CFI when I started gliding
and he asked me had I ever realised, back then, that I could get killed
. I said `Of course, but I never took it seriously and certainly no one
ever made a song and dance about it. He says that now they have to sit
a prospective member down and explain to him that he could get hurt,
perhaps seriously, and get him to sign that he has had the dangers
pointed out to him before he joined. .
Glory be. What ever happened? Health and Safety would never allow
Wilbur to go messing about with that flying machine today.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for info about route to Oshkosh |
<<But due to our litigant nature of society I can't .... >>
The sad part is that it would only take one judge to stand up and say "There
is no case to answer, no one is at fault, shit happens. The costs are
against the complainant" and the whole edifice would collapse like a pack
of cards.
Some hope
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
I have a 1200' strip. I am not in any city limit and not near a muni
airport. I just did a little dirt work, start mowing it and I have a strip.
After reading some the replies, I am glad that I live in rural Missouri,
where if not in a city, you can do as you please. The bad part is that so
can my neighbors if they wish. No zoning, no codes nobody to say no.
There abour 6 ag strips within 3 mile radius of my house/strip. Got to watch
out for the crop dusters.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "phactor9" <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Creating a private airstrip
>
> I have some general questions about private airstrips, for anyone who owns
> one, uses one, or knows someone that does. I'm moving soon and I found a
> home I'm considering buying. It's located on a narrow, long, flat tract of
> land located within city limits and it would be perfect for ultralights.
>
> Assuming the usual precautions concerning clearance for trees and power
> lines, flying over neighboring dwellings, the noise factor, distance from
> the city's metro airport (2.2 miles away), etc., what civil, city or state
> authorities typically govern setting one up? Is there an approval process?
> If there is no formal application process, I assume a courtesy interview
> of sorts with the local authorities would be in order just to make them
> aware? For those who own a strip, what formal steps did you take to create
> it (and how long ago)?
>
> Phil H. - Lurker majeure :)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345657#345657
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
Mine is similar to Jerry's. 1200', well drained, can fly off it anytime there
is less than 4" snow. Not "recognized" by any authority
but the tower at ROC knew there are several strips out here many years ago. It
helped that my neighbor was n FAA inspector.
Been flying out of here since 1972 and only had two NYS thruway troopers stroll
over to see who "crashed"
Never fly over the nearby village. Also avoid one neighbor to the northwest I
don't trust to be kindly. The rest love to see
me cruising around the neighborhood on a pretty summer evening. Many waves.
There is one township on the NE of our county that passed an ordinance forbidding
any aircraft operations and strips
as a result of one cranky guy who hated his neighbor having a helicopter. Glad
I don't live there.
BB
On 10, Jul 2011, at 7:38 AM, Jerry Deckard wrote:
>
> I have a 1200' strip. I am not in any city limit and not near a muni airport.
I just did a little dirt work, start mowing it and I have a strip. After reading
some the replies, I am glad that I live in rural Missouri, where if not in
a city, you can do as you please. The bad part is that so can my neighbors if
they wish. No zoning, no codes nobody to say no.
>
> There abour 6 ag strips within 3 mile radius of my house/strip. Got to watch
out for the crop dusters.
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "phactor9" <phactor9@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:08 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Creating a private airstrip
>
>
>>
>> I have some general questions about private airstrips, for anyone who owns one,
uses one, or knows someone that does. I'm moving soon and I found a home I'm
considering buying. It's located on a narrow, long, flat tract of land located
within city limits and it would be perfect for ultralights.
>>
>> Assuming the usual precautions concerning clearance for trees and power lines,
flying over neighboring dwellings, the noise factor, distance from the city's
metro airport (2.2 miles away), etc., what civil, city or state authorities
typically govern setting one up? Is there an approval process? If there is no
formal application process, I assume a courtesy interview of sorts with the local
authorities would be in order just to make them aware? For those who own
a strip, what formal steps did you take to create it (and how long ago)?
>>
>> Phil H. - Lurker majeure :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345657#345657
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>>
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| Subject: | Creating a private airstrip |
> I have a 1200' strip.... in rural Missouri=2C
> Jerry
Jerry=2C
What part of Missouri are you? I don't recall if you mentioned it before
.
Mike Welch
near Lake of the Ozarks
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
The rules vary from state to state. Some states have no restrictions, and you can
land anywhere you want. Others, like NJ, you can't land anywhere except a state
approved airport. Here in CT, you can do 35 takeoffs or landings per year
before you have to license it with the state... though it's not clear if this
applies to ultralights.
We started a new strip here last year, mostly UL with occasional GA visits. No
formal permission. We flew for a few months before a neighbor complained and the
zoning board shut us down, saying the zoning regulations didn't allow an airport
there. We then made a formal application for a zoning change, and rather
than grant it, the board decided there was nothing in the regs actually prohibiting
it, either... so they told us to go have fun, just don't annoy anybody.
We too have to be hardass about staying away from houses.
2 miles from another airport requires care. If there's a control tower, then obviously
you need clearance to fly in their class D airspace. We fly a low (400'),
close pattern.
-Dana
phactor9 <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have some general questions about private airstrips, for anyone who owns one,
uses one, or knows someone that does. I'm moving soon and I found a home I'm
considering buying. It's located on a narrow, long, flat tract of land located
within city limits and it would be perfect for ultralights.
Assuming the usual precautions concerning clearance for trees and power lines,
flying over neighboring dwellings, the noise factor, distance from the city's
metro airport (2.2 miles away), etc., what civil, city or state authorities typically
govern setting one up? Is there an approval process? If there is no formal
application process, I assume a courtesy interview of sorts with the local
authorities would be in order just to make them aware? For those who own a strip,
what formal steps did you take to create it (and how long ago)?
Phil H. - Lurker majeure :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345657#345657
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering at Nauga Field - Nov 11, 12, 13 |
> We haven't been too successful the past couple of years with the weather.
Gonna try again for Nov 11, 12, 13. If the weather is favorable, may head
out Sunday for a group flight toward Texas coast. Just a suggestion - open
to others. If weather acts up again, Nov 18, 19, 20 can be a rain date.
> John Bickham
John, got it marked on my calendar. See ya 11 Nov.
john h
mkIII
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
> Mine is similar to Jerry's. 1200', well drained, can fly off it anytime
> there is less than 4" snow. Not "recognized" by any authority
> but the tower at ROC knew there are several strips out here many years
> ago. It helped that my neighbor was n FAA inspector.
> BB
I have been flying out of my neighbors front yard, a cow pasture, since
1984. Initially, it was 600 feet. Now it is 750 feet.
It is not registered, but Gantt International Airport has been operational
for 27 years. Many international flights have originated and terminated
here.
Everyone is welcome to land. We have never been sued by any of our friends.
john h
mkIII
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
- Dana- I was wondering how you made out.- Ct. zoning can be kind of st
icky.- Congratulations.
-
do not archive.
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------------------- Bill Sullivan
--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Creating a private airstrip
The rules vary from state to state. Some states have no restrictions, and y
ou can land anywhere you want. Others, like NJ, you can't land anywhere exc
ept a state approved airport. Here in CT, you can do 35 takeoffs or landing
s per year before you have to license it with the state... though it's not
clear if this applies to ultralights.
We started a new strip here last year, mostly UL with occasional GA visits.
No formal permission. We flew for a few months before a neighbor complaine
d and the zoning board shut us down, saying the zoning regulations didn't a
llow an airport there. We then made a formal application for a zoning chang
e, and rather than grant it, the board decided there was nothing in the reg
s actually prohibiting it, either... so they told us to go have fun, just d
on't annoy anybody. We too have to be hardass about staying away from house
s.
2 miles from another airport requires care. If there's a control tower, the
n obviously you need clearance to fly in their class D airspace. We fly a l
ow (400'), close pattern.
-Dana
phactor9 <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have some general questions about private airstrips, for anyone who owns
one, uses one, or knows someone that does. I'm moving soon and I found a ho
me I'm considering buying. It's located on a narrow, long, flat tract of la
nd located within city limits and it would be perfect for ultralights.
Assuming the usual precautions concerning clearance for trees and power lin
es, flying over neighboring dwellings, the noise factor, distance from the
city's metro airport (2.2 miles away), etc., what civil, city or state auth
orities typically govern setting one up? Is there an approval process? If t
here is no formal application process, I assume a courtesy interview of sor
ts with the local authorities would be in order just to make them aware? Fo
r those who own a strip, what formal steps did you take to create
it (and
ist
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
Southeast, Near Poplar Bluff.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Creating a private airstrip
> I have a 1200' strip.... in rural Missouri,
> Jerry
Jerry,
What part of Missouri are you? I don't recall if you mentioned it
before.
Mike Welch
near Lake of the Ozarks
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
Dana wrote:
>
>
> 2 miles from another airport requires care. If there's a control tower, then
obviously you need clearance to fly in their class D airspace. We fly a low (400'),
close pattern.
>
> -Dana
That's why you want a letter of agreement: so you don't have to ask every time.
Because you don't want to, and because if they are busy they don't want to hear
from you. Trust me: I know.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Retired FAA ATC, 30 years of shuckin' & jivin'
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| Subject: | Re: mounting Video Camera's |
OK, final test today. Yesterday I flew with the stiff foam under the
camera. If I screwed it down tight enough to not move around, then I had
shake from the motor. So today I used a soft piece of foam about 1 inch
to 1 1/2 thick under the top mount with a alum backing plate, and the
stiff stuff against my windscreen on the underneath side. I also
compressed it enough to firm it up, and half way through the flight, I
screwed it down even tighter.
Much better all the way around. See for yourself.
http://vimeo.com/26234130
There has always been mention of how stiff the ailerons are on Kolbs,
and they are. However we must not forget that the Kolb is a rudder
airplane. The turns were possible only when I was using the rudder, and
by leading the turn with the rudder, the ailerons were not noticeably
stiff. At least I wasn't aware of them being a problem. Ground speed
was mid 60's
In case anyone is interested, this camera is for sale with everything
except the screw in adjustable mount. I will need it for the HD camera.
$100.00
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Axle Jack |
BB,
The need or a "twofer" has not yet arisen in my hangar so I've not rigged one :-).
Just before flying out to your place this morning, BB, I made a short video of
the axle jack at work. Note the little triangular piece I cut off of the 2x8 corner
is used as a security chock, if leaving the jacked airplane for awhile with
the wheel off. The over center is enough to keep it locked in place, unless
someone gives the Kolb a big push. This little triangular piece prevents it
from coming back over center and falling, even if someone tried to knock it off
the jack.
To jack higher or a Kolb with larger diameter tires, just place a 2x6 under the
jack and it will raise the axle another 1.5" higher. I used the handle from my
dysfunctional hydraulic jack but one could use a hardwood dowel.
I know this is simple and nobody asked for this but I've found it to be quite useful.
Worth what you paid for it, as at least one Kolber often sez.
Video Link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee
You will notice in the video that the 3" dia. wheels on the jack do not roll much.
This is because the asphalt surface in my hangar is very rough and not much
better than course gravel stuck together with a little tar.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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- I am trying to repair a chafed spot on a wing, due to a storm blowing a
tarp around.--I cleaned off the Poly Tone with MEK, cemented and shrun
k a patch in place.--I applied the Poly Brush, and when the first coat
was dry I noticed a bare spot about 1" square.- Tried again, and the bare
spot was still there.- Cleaned with MEK, and tried again.- Cleaned wit
h thinner, and tried again.- Still have a bare spot that seems to repel P
oly Brush.- Anybody have a reason and a solution?- The rest of the patc
h is fine.- The whole thing is about 4" square.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
That's because you're in a civilized part of the world, with civilized & polite
people!
Russ
On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:03 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mine is similar to Jerry's. 1200', well drained, can fly off it anytime there
is less than 4" snow. Not "recognized" by any authority
>> but the tower at ROC knew there are several strips out here many years ago.
It helped that my neighbor was n FAA inspector.
> > BB
>
>
> I have been flying out of my neighbors front yard, a cow pasture, since 1984.
Initially, it was 600 feet. Now it is 750 feet.
>
> It is not registered, but Gantt International Airport has been operational for
27 years. Many international flights have originated and terminated here.
>
> Everyone is welcome to land. We have never been sued by any of our friends.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Tuscaloosa, Alabama
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mounting Video Camera's |
Larry
You've obviously licked the mount problems. But you have a strong magenta cast
in earth/road/some brush. I don't know these cameras. Is there any adjustment
on the camera?
Wonder how the new one will do?
Fair winds,
Russ
On Jul 10, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> OK, final test today. Yesterday I flew with the stiff foam under the camera.
If I screwed it down tight enough to not move around, then I had shake from the
motor. So today I used a soft piece of foam about 1 inch to 1 1/2 thick under
the top mount with a alum backing plate, and the stiff stuff against my windscreen
on the underneath side. I also compressed it enough to firm it up, and
half way through the flight, I screwed it down even tighter.
> <IMG_2603.JPG>
> Much better all the way around. See for yourself.
> http://vimeo.com/26234130
>
> There has always been mention of how stiff the ailerons are on Kolbs, and they
are. However we must not forget that the Kolb is a rudder airplane. The turns
were possible only when I was using the rudder, and by leading the turn with
the rudder, the ailerons were not noticeably stiff. At least I wasn't aware
of them being a problem. Ground speed was mid 60's
>
> In case anyone is interested, this camera is for sale with everything except
the screw in adjustable mount. I will need it for the HD camera. $100.00
>
> Larry
> Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which
includes my email address.
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Bill=2C try letting the Poly Brush "air out' some=2C letting some of the ME
K vapors
escape. Maybe a slightly richer solution of the P. Brush will keep the MEK
from
'washing' the repair. Or=2C as an alternative=2C if you have any Poly Tak
available=2C
try a quick coat of that and see if it works.
Mike Welch
From: williamtsullivan@att.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Stits repair
I am trying to repair a chafed spot on a wing=2C due to a storm blowing a
tarp around. I cleaned off the Poly Tone with MEK=2C cemented and shrunk
a patch in place. I applied the Poly Brush=2C and when the first coat was
dry I noticed a bare spot about 1" square. Tried again=2C and the bare spo
t was still there. Cleaned with MEK=2C and tried again. Cleaned with thin
ner=2C and tried again. Still have a bare spot that seems to repel Poly Br
ush. Anybody have a reason and a solution? The rest of the patch is fine.
The whole thing is about 4" square.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks=2C Ct.
FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: mounting Video Camera's |
No, there is no adjustment, it is possibly because it was early in the
morning. I wouldn't fly that way at any other time, except perhaps late
evening, and the wind generally blows pretty enthusiastically here. As
for the new one, I will have to let you know. I suppose to a large
extent, it will depend on how much you pay for the camera. These are not
very expensive and as Rick said, best described as "throwaways"
Larry
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From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: mounting Video Camera's
Larry
You've obviously licked the mount problems. But you have a strong
magenta cast in earth/road/some brush. I don't know these cameras. Is
there any adjustment on the camera?
Wonder how the new one will do?
Fair winds,
Russ
On Jul 10, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
OK, final test today. Yesterday I flew with the stiff foam under the
camera. If I screwed it down tight enough to not move around, then I had
shake from the motor. So today I used a soft piece of foam about 1 inch
to 1 1/2 thick under the top mount with a alum backing plate, and the
stiff stuff against my windscreen on the underneath side. I also
compressed it enough to firm it up, and half way through the flight, I
screwed it down even tighter.
<IMG_2603.JPG>
Much better all the way around. See for yourself.
http://vimeo.com/26234130
There has always been mention of how stiff the ailerons are on
Kolbs, and they are. However we must not forget that the Kolb is a
rudder airplane. The turns were possible only when I was using the
rudder, and by leading the turn with the rudder, the ailerons were not
noticeably stiff. At least I wasn't aware of them being a problem.
Ground speed was mid 60's
In case anyone is interested, this camera is for sale with
everything except the screw in adjustable mount. I will need it for the
HD camera. $100.00
Larry
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I wasn't clear... our strip is about 2 miles from an _uncontrolled_ airport. In
some ways that's even worse, since even though we monitor the unicom, you don't
know who's in the pattern.
We used to fly PPGs from a sod farm just barely inside a class D. Called the tower
each time... we talked about getting a letter of agreement, but then some
clown in a PPC (not one of our group) buzzed the town and now the tower won't
let us fly there anymore. :(
-Dana
Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
Dana wrote:
>
>
> 2 miles from another airport requires care. If there's a control tower, then
obviously you need clearance to fly in their class D airspace. We fly a low (400'),
close pattern.
>
> -Dana
That's why you want a letter of agreement: so you don't have to ask every time.
Because you don't want to, and because if they are busy they don't want to hear
from you. Trust me: I know.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Retired FAA ATC, 30 years of shuckin' & jivin'
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Mike- I let it air out (gas off) for 3 days, and still had the problem. I w
ill try a coat of Poly Tak.- Thanks.- I'll let you know.- I just chec
ked it- the spot is the size of a nickle.
-
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----------------------- Bill
--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Stits repair
Bill, try letting the Poly Brush "air out' some, letting some of the MEK va
pors
escape.- Maybe a slightly richer solution of the P. Brush will keep the M
EK from
'washing' the repair.- Or, as an alternative, if you have any Poly Tak av
ailable,
try a quick coat of that and see if it works.
Mike Welch
From: williamtsullivan@att.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Stits repair
- I am trying to repair a chafed spot on a wing, due to a storm blowing a
tarp around.--I cleaned off the Poly Tone with MEK, cemented and shrun
k a patch in place.--I applied the Poly Brush, and when the first coat
was dry I noticed a bare spot about 1" square.- Tried again, and the bare
spot was still there.- Cleaned with MEK, and tried again.- Cleaned wit
h thinner, and tried again.- Still have a bare spot that seems to repel P
oly Brush.- Anybody have a reason and a solution?- The rest of the patc
h is fine.- The whole thing is about 4" square.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Stits repair |
Bill, Why not just take the patch off and put on another? No sense beating
your brains out. You've gotten some kind of contamination on the cloth that
prevents it from wicking up the chemicals. Fiberglass will do the same thing
if you get a drop of sweat on it (or any water, for that matter) and the
resin will not penetrate.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:09 PM, william sullivan
<williamtsullivan@att.net>wrote:
> I am trying to repair a chafed spot on a wing, due to a storm blowing a
> tarp around. I cleaned off the Poly Tone with MEK, cemented and shrunk a
> patch in place. I applied the Poly Brush, and when the first coat was dry I
> noticed a bare spot about 1" square. Tried again, and the bare spot was
> still there. Cleaned with MEK, and tried again. Cleaned with thinner, and
> tried again. Still have a bare spot that seems to repel Poly Brush.
> Anybody have a reason and a solution? The rest of the patch is fine. The
> whole thing is about 4" square.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
Dana wrote:
> We used to fly PPGs from a sod farm just barely inside a class D. Called
the tower each time... we talked about getting a letter of agreement, but then
some clown in a PPC (not one of our group) buzzed the town and now the tower
won't let us fly there anymore. :(
>
>
If you are as competitive as I am and like to game the system...
Are you still talking ultralights wanting to use that strip, or N-numbered aircraft?
Because if everybody has an N number, you go back and tell them you want
to use that strip, and you want a Letter of Agreement. And if the tower chief
says no, then you bring the slowest N-numbered puddle futzers in the area out
to his airport and get in the touch and go pattern every chance you can for as
long as it takes...
And if anybody complains, (and everybody will) you just announce over the frequency
"Well, we would like to use the strip that is four and a half miles away,
but the FAA won't let us, because it is JUST inside the class D, so we have to
come here."
The mission of the FAA is the safe, orderly and expeditious use of airspace, not
the denial of it to anybody. So if they start denying you the use of YOUR airspace
(it's not theirs, it is yours) then you deny them the ability to do anything
orderly or expeditious. And make sure they know it.
Anyway, that's the sort of thing I would do -
Richaard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Creating a private airstrip |
I have heard a lot of comments as to what needs to be done to have a person
al airstrip. It may differer from state to state and the county or city.
I live in SW Florida and have my own airstrip for 8 years and had I listene
d to the local authorities I wouldn't have it. I do live in a rural area of
the county but when I starting fencing it in to keep week end 4 wheels fro
m tearing it up I was sited and told I couldn't have an airstrip. I then r
esearched the federal=2C state and local codes and definitions plus past c
ourt cases when a personal airstrip had been denied by the zoning departmen
ts. The end results are that I put packages together with my finding and g
ave them to the departments who was or would be involved . I had met with t
he county attorney after being told by code enforcement that it was illegal
and I could not get a permit for my airstrip. Two days after giving my pac
kets to the persons involved including the county attorney I was called to
her office. I was told I could have my airstrip and was not required to hav
e a permit (plus I have that in writing). As I told her I had hoped to go t
o court and challenge them and their self imposed regulation that they woul
d to see or be paid to apply for. I guess what I am saying just don't take
their word that it is the law or in the code regulation...research.
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Creating a private airstrip
> From: russkinne@mac.com
> Date: Sun=2C 10 Jul 2011 18:12:58 -0400
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> That's because you're in a civilized part of the world=2C with civilized
& polite people!
> Russ
>
> On Jul 10=2C 2011=2C at 10:03 AM=2C John Hauck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> Mine is similar to Jerry's. 1200'=2C well drained=2C can fly off it a
nytime there is less than 4" snow. Not "recognized" by any authority
> >> but the tower at ROC knew there are several strips out here many years
ago. It helped that my neighbor was n FAA inspector.
> > > BB
> >
> >
> > I have been flying out of my neighbors front yard=2C a cow pasture=2C s
ince 1984. Initially=2C it was 600 feet. Now it is 750 feet.
> >
> > It is not registered=2C but Gantt International Airport has been operat
ional for 27 years. Many international flights have originated and termina
ted here.
> >
> > Everyone is welcome to land. We have never been sued by any of our fri
ends.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Tuscaloosa=2C Alabama
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stits repair |
that is from oil contamination. Car painters call them fish eyes. It
has worked itself through the weave and would be hard to rinse away.
Auto paint shops sell (or did) a surfactant that you drip with a
measuring eyedropper into the paint you are applying that will overcome
most problems.
BB
On 10, Jul 2011, at 7:23 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> Mike- I let it air out (gas off) for 3 days, and still had the
problem. I will try a coat of Poly Tak. Thanks. I'll let you know. I
just checked it- the spot is the size of a nickle.
>
> Bill
>
> --- On Sun, 7/10/11, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Stits repair
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:05 PM
>
> Bill, try letting the Poly Brush "air out' some, letting some of the
MEK vapors
> escape. Maybe a slightly richer solution of the P. Brush will keep
the MEK from
> 'washing' the repair. Or, as an alternative, if you have any Poly Tak
available,
> try a quick coat of that and see if it works.
>
> Mike Welch
>
> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:09:16 -0700
> From: williamtsullivan@att.net
> Subject: Kolb-List: Stits repair
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> I am trying to repair a chafed spot on a wing, due to a storm
blowing a tarp around. I cleaned off the Poly Tone with MEK, cemented
and shrunk a patch in place. I applied the Poly Brush, and when the
first coat was dry I noticed a bare spot about 1" square. Tried again,
and the bare spot was still there. Cleaned with MEK, and tried again.
Cleaned with thinner, and tried again. Still have a bare spot that
seems to repel Poly Brush. Anybody have a reason and a solution? The
rest of the patch is fine. The whole thing is about 4" square.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks,
Ct.
> FS 447
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stits repair |
- Rick--I had thought of contamination, maybe some kind of clear oil?-
but the Poly Tak under that area seems to be holding normally.- Maybe, li
ke you said, sweat.- I am going to try the "fill it with Poly Tak" method
first.- It is a 4" x 4" patch over a chafed spot about 2" long by 1/2" h
igh.- No big deal to take it off if--I have to. Thanks.
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--------------- Bill Sullivan
--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Stits repair
Bill, Why not just take the patch off and put on another? No sense beating
your brains out. You've gotten some kind of contamination on the cloth that
prevents it from wicking up the chemicals. Fiberglass will do the same thi
ng if you get a drop of sweat on it (or any water, for that matter) and the
resin will not penetrate.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:09 PM, william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net
> wrote:
- I am trying to repair a chafed spot on a wing, due to a storm blowing a
tarp around.--I cleaned off the Poly Tone with MEK, cemented and shrun
k a patch in place.--I applied the Poly Brush, and when the first coat
was dry I noticed a bare spot about 1" square.- Tried again, and the bare
spot was still there.- Cleaned with MEK, and tried again.- Cleaned wit
h thinner, and tried again.- Still have a bare spot that seems to repel P
oly Brush.- Anybody have a reason and a solution?- The rest of the patc
h is fine.- The whole thing is about 4" square.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Creating a private airstrip |
From: "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker@windstream.net>
>----- Original Message -----
>Southeast, Near Poplar Bluff.
>Jerry
Jerry has a nice strip. Jerry had a flyin and I flew the FireFly down from
Perryville, MO. It was my longest cross country at the time, about 215
miles. I had to stash fuel at Painton, MO, my EAA Chapter meeting place, so
that I could top off the tank going and coming. From my flight log:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
May 15, 2004 - Flights 426,7,8 & 429 - 4 hours 20 minutes - 135:03 tt,
Victor 1+ - 56:03 burned 10.3 gallons of fuel for and average of 2.38 gph.
Set the squelch on the radio to a higher number and the noise from the gps
disappeared. Flew from Perryville to Painton, to Neelyville - Jerry
Deckard's grass strip, to Painton and back to Perryville. Not very good
visibility on the way down but a little better on the way back. Had a
little tail wind going down. Tore up a brake at Painton. I should have
taken it a part to prevent further damage, but I didn't and basically I
ruined the band and most of the rest of the brake. I will be able to use
just one, but I believe it is time to design a more robust braking system.
Average mpg was 20.8. Luggage compartment lid popped loose in the rear. I
must put a cleat under the boat tail fairing bracket to keep the luggage lid
in place. Wore neck sock, vest, old green hooded sweat shirt, leather
jacket, gloves, soft flight helmet and goggles. Air was 55 on the way down
and 60 to 65 on the way back at 1,000 agl. Did get a little chilled on the
way to Painton and Neelyville, but no problems on the way home. On final
and after I closed the throttle, the engine quit. I may have to adjust the
idle screw to lean it out a little.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Making progress on the FireFly. Sewing up split fabric flaps that uncovered
the broken wing braces. I work in the mornings and early afternoons before
the direct sun heat load strikes. Still have keep a towel in place to keep
from sweating things up. One slit left to sew in each wing. Going good
today until I dropped the needle and it slid down hill, through the open
slit and into the wing. Quit for the day. Tomorrow, I will take a magnetic
probe over and try to recover the needle.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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