---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/11/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:00 AM - Re: Gathering at Nauga Field - Nov 11, 12, 13 (Jimmy Young) 2. 05:39 AM - Viking Engine (Richard Girard) 3. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Creating a private airstrip (Dana Hague) 4. 09:03 AM - Re: Viking Engine (Bob) 5. 09:48 AM - Re: Viking Engine (daniel myers) 6. 10:11 AM - Re: Viking Engine (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net) 7. 11:06 AM - Re: Viking Engine (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net) 8. 08:09 PM - Airspeed and Flaps? (Nick Cassara) 9. 08:37 PM - Re: Airspeed and Flaps? (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gathering at Nauga Field - Nov 11, 12, 13 From: "Jimmy Young" John B, Count me in, looking forward to it. -------- Jimmy Young Missouri City, TX Kolb FS II/HKS 700 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345878#345878 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Viking Engine From: Richard Girard This showed up on the Aeroelectric Connection forum (also on Matronics) yesterday. I asked the author for permission to reprint it here. "Anyone considering a Viking engine please be advised, I have had $4,300 deposit since Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my engine yet. I called Jan today and he hung up on me and all I got after that was voice mail. I don't think that I would be ordering an engine from him." -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton N801S CH 801 N226BS CH701 I don't know any of the details of Mr Stanton's dealings with Viking other than what is here. Just thought I'd pass it along. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Creating a private airstrip From: Dana Hague No, it's just a great big sod farm, perfect for PPGs which the owner gave us permission for... I don't think he'd want a bunch of planes rolling on his grass, though I have flown in with my Ultrastar. -Dana Richard Pike wrote: >If you are as competitive as I am and like to game the system... > >Are you still talking ultralights wanting to use that strip, or >N-numbered aircraft? Because if everybody has an N number, you go back >and tell them you want to use that strip, and you want a Letter of >Agreement. And if the tower chief says no, then you bring the slowest >N-numbered puddle futzers in the area out to his airport and get in the >touch and go pattern every chance you can for as long as it takes... > >And if anybody complains, (and everybody will) you just announce over >the frequency "Well, we would like to use the strip that is four and a >half miles away, but the FAA won't let us, because it is JUST inside >the class D, so we have to come here." > >The mission of the FAA is the safe, orderly and expeditious use of >airspace, not the denial of it to anybody. So if they start denying you >the use of YOUR airspace (it's not theirs, it is yours) then you deny >them the ability to do anything orderly or expeditious. And make sure >they know it. > >Anyway, that's the sort of thing I would do - > >Richaard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345826#345826 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:12 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viking Engine I have followed the Viking progress for at least a year. This delivery complaint is just one of many that are likely to be out there. I think Jan is a victim of his own success and has some real challenges over the next six months to get the large quantity of engines he has deposits for out the door. I believe he has 3 =9Cfactory=9D airplanes flying with the engine and less than a dozen deliveries to first customers about 2 months ago. Not surprisingly those deliveries were late from original plans....His business model just doesn=99t seem to provide for quickly ramping up production to 10 or 20 engines per mouth or whatever his initial demand is. Even if he wanted to, he probably couldn=99t find a quality outside engine house to sub some of the manufacturing to for liability reasons. Maybe Rotax will buy him out as a threat to their market, conform it, certify it, and then double the price to that of the 912. Bob From: Richard Girard Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:37 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Viking Engine This showed up on the Aeroelectric Connection forum (also on Matronics) yesterday. I asked the author for permission to reprint it here. "Anyone considering a Viking engine please be advised, I have had $4,300 deposit since Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my engine yet. I called Jan today and he hung up on me and all I got after that was voice mail. I don't think that I would be ordering an engine from him." -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton N801S CH 801 N226BS CH701 I don't know any of the details of Mr Stanton's dealings with Viking other than what is here. Just thought I'd pass it along. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:23 AM PST US From: daniel myers Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Viking Engine Jan has a lot on his plate at the moment=2C including getting 2 SeaReys fly ing with the Viking. I think this engine will be a good one...Daniel Myers From: rmurrill@cox.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viking Engine I have followed the Viking progress for at least a year. This delivery complaint is just one of many that are likely to be out there. I think Jan is a victim of his own success and has some real challenges over the next six months to get the large quantity of engines he has deposits for ou t the door. I believe he has 3 =93factory=94 airplanes flying with the engine and less than a dozen deliveries to first customers about 2 months ago. Not surprisingly those deliveries were late from original plans....His business model just doesn=92t seem to provide for quickly ramping up production to 1 0 or 20 engines per mouth or whatever his initial demand is. Even if he wanted to =2C he probably couldn=92t find a quality outside engine house to sub some of t he manufacturing to for liability reasons. Maybe Rotax will buy him out as a threat to their market=2C conform it=2C certify it=2C and then double the price to that of the 912. Bob From: Richard Girard Sent: Monday=2C July 11=2C 2011 5:37 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Viking Engine This showed up on the Aeroelectric Connection forum (also on Matronics) yesterda y. I asked the author for permission to reprint it here. "Anyone considering a Viking engine please be advised=2C I have had $4=2C300 deposit since Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my engine yet. I called Jan today and he hung up on me and all I got after that was voice mail. I don't think that I would be ordering an engine from him." -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton N801S CH 801 N226BS CH701 I don't know any of the details of Mr Stanton's dealings with Viking other than what is here. Just thought I'd pass it along. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks=2C Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:50 AM PST US From: "purplemoon99@bellsouth.net" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viking Engine RAM could build his=C2- engines as good=C2- as he does ,he 's close in S> CArolina =0A,weather or not he would is another question.=C2- Joe 601X L-B/RAM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: daniel myers =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, July 11, 2011 12:45:29 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Viking Engine=0A=0A=0AJan has a lot on his plate at the moment, including getting 2 SeaReys flying =0Awith the Viking. I think this engine will be a good one... =0A=0ADaniel Myers =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: rmurrill@cox.net=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Viking Engine=0ADate: Mo n, 11 Jul 2011 09:00:24 -0700=0A=0A=0AI have followed the Viking progress f or at least a year.=C2- This delivery =0Acomplaint is just one of many th at are likely to be out there.=C2- I think Jan is a =0Avictim of his own success and has some real challenges over the next six months =0Ato get the large quantity of engines he has deposits for out the door. I believe =0Ah e has 3 =9Cfactory=9D airplanes flying with the engine and less than a dozen =0Adeliveries to first customers about 2 months ago.=C2- No t surprisingly those =0Adeliveries were late from original plans....His bus iness model just doesn=99t seem =0Ato provide for quickly ramping up production to 10 or 20 engines per mouth or =0Awhatever his initial demand is.=C2- Even if he wanted to, he probably couldn=99t find =0Aa qual ity outside engine house to sub some of the manufacturing to for liability =0Areasons.=0A=0AMaybe Rotax will buy him out as a threat to their market, conform it, certify =0Ait, and then double the price to that of the 912.=0A =0ABob=0A=0A=0AFrom: Richard Girard =0ASent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:37 AM =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Kolb-List: Viking Engine=0AThis showed up on the Aeroelectric Connection forum (also on Matronics) =0Ayeste rday. I asked the author for permission to reprint it here. =0A=0A=0A"Anyon e considering a Viking engine please be advised, I have had $4,300 deposit =0Asince Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my =0Aengine yet.=0AI called Jan today and he hung up on me and all I got a fter that was voice mail.=0AI don't think that I would be ordering an engin e from him."=0A=0A--------=0ADo not archive=0A=0ADan Stanton=0AN801S CH 801 =0AN226BS CH701=0A=0AI don't know any of the details of Mr Stanton's dealin gs with Viking other than =0Awhat is here. Just thought I'd pass it along. =0A=0A=0ARick Girard=0A-- =0A=0AZulu Delta=0AMk IIIC=0AThanks, Homer GBYM =0A=0AIt isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be un happy.=0A=C2- - Groucho Marx=0A=0A=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0A href ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0Ahref="htt p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A arge t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =0Ahttp://forums. ========== =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:30 AM PST US From: "purplemoon99@bellsouth.net" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viking Engine Here's a tip to be sucessful always,ALWAYS take care of what business that you =0Ahave!! The rest will follow. It's my thought that if some one wanted there money =0Aback,they or whom ever should have sent them there money ba ck in a flash .If the =0Atruth was known most of the un happy people wouldn 't have=C2- taken it, I've been =0Athere and done that. It would have sho wn good faith on the part of the eng. =0Abuilder,and the clint would had no thing but praise for the co. Now all they have =0Ais a un happy person that 's worried=C2- about there money, and has nothing good =0Ato=C2- say, =C2-that's not a good thing ,and far from being good business=C2- no ma tter =0Awhat the reason is, again been there done that . The old saying "th at the =0Acustomer is always right" is a bunch of CRAP,but the customer is always the =0Acustomer,and he should be treated better than it appears in h is post. As far as =0Ait being a costom =C2-eng, that also sound's like a big load of crap,that money has =0Abeen spent on something other than one eng., and that is what seperates the =0Asheep from=C2-the goats...=C2-J oe=C2- 601XL-B/RAM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bob =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, July 11, 2011 12:00:24 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Viking Engine=0A=0A=0AI have fo llowed the Viking progress for at least a year.=C2- This delivery =0Acomp laint is just one of many that are likely to be out there.=C2- I think Ja n is a =0Avictim of his own success and has some real challenges over the n ext six months =0Ato get the large quantity of engines he has deposits for out the door. I believe =0Ahe has 3 =9Cfactory=9D airplanes fly ing with the engine and less than a dozen =0Adeliveries to first customers about 2 months ago.=C2- Not surprisingly those =0Adeliveries were late fr om original plans....His business model just doesn=99t seem =0Ato pro vide for quickly ramping up production to 10 or 20 engines per mouth or =0A whatever his initial demand is.=C2- Even if he wanted to, he probably cou ldn=99t find =0Aa quality outside engine house to sub some of the man ufacturing to for liability =0Areasons.=0A=0AMaybe Rotax will buy him out a s a threat to their market, conform it, certify =0Ait, and then double the price to that of the 912.=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0AFrom: Richard Girard =0ASent: Mo nday, July 11, 2011 5:37 AM=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Kolb- List: Viking Engine=0AThis showed up on the Aeroelectric Connection forum ( also on Matronics) =0Ayesterday. I asked the author for permission to repri nt it here. =0A=0A=0A"Anyone considering a Viking engine please be advised, I have had $4,300 deposit =0Asince Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my =0Aengine yet.=0AI called Jan today and he hu ng up on me and all I got after that was voice mail.=0AI don't think that I would be ordering an engine from him."=0A=0A--------=0ADo not archive=0A =0ADan Stanton=0AN801S CH 801=0AN226BS CH701=0A=0AI don't know any of the d etails of Mr Stanton's dealings with Viking other than =0Awhat is here. Jus t thought I'd pass it along.=0A=0A=0ARick Girard=0A-- =0A=0AZulu Delta=0AMk IIIC=0AThanks, Homer GBYM=0A=0AIt isn't necessary to have relatives in Kan sas City in order to be unhappy.=0A=C2- - Groucho Marx=0A=0A=0A =0Ahref ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Kolb-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.com =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m =================== =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:18 PM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Airspeed and Flaps? Hello Kolber's, I enjoy a few hours of Pitch hitter training in a C-180 last week. The Instructor said not to engage the first notch of flaps above 80kts. That got me wondering, what air speed do Mark III flyers slow down to before you deploy your flaps? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska N607AK Kolbra with flaps under construction. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airspeed and Flaps? From: Richard Girard The white arc on my airplane ends at 65 mph. Rick Girard On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Hello Kolber=92s,**** > > ** ** > > I enjoy a few hours of Pitch hitter training in a C-180 last week. The > Instructor said not to engage the first notch of flaps above 80kts. That got > me wondering, what air speed do Mark III flyers slow down to before you > deploy your flaps?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > ** ** > > Nick Cassara**** > > Palmer, Alaska**** > > ** ** > > N607AK **** > > Kolbra with flaps under construction.**** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.