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Sun 07/17/11


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 05:35 AM - Re: Firefly: new build? (kolbaircraft)
     2. 05:59 AM - morning videos (Thom Riddle)
     3. 06:28 AM - an interesting evening at the Rockhouse (Larry Cottrell)
     4. 06:34 AM - Re: morning videos (william sullivan)
     5. 06:49 AM - Re: morning videos (Thom Riddle)
     6. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: morning videos (william sullivan)
     7. 07:15 AM - Re: morning videos (Dennis Thate)
     8. 07:23 AM - Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse (Dennis Thate)
     9. 07:47 AM - Re: Firefly: new build? (Jack B. Hart)
    10. 08:08 AM - Kolb get-togethers (Ozarkflyer)
    11. 03:15 PM - Florida Video (Watkinsdw)
    12. 03:25 PM - Re: Florida Video (Watkinsdw)
    13. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: morning videos (russ kinne)
    14. 04:17 PM - Re: Florida Video (gotime242)
    15. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: morning videos (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
    16. 05:19 PM - Re: Florida Video (Watkinsdw)
    17. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse (Larry Cottrell)
    18. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse (Herb)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:35:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firefly: new build?
    From: "kolbaircraft" <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
    Phil The empty weight of the Fire Fly will be 254lbs if built according to the plans. Kolb always ran the 447 Rotax on the Fire Fly. I would stay with close to 40 HP. I would recommend the 3 blade IVO ground adjustable prop on the Fire Fly. The weight of the nose cone could vary a bit as they are hand laid glass. Travis Kolb CO. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346753#346753


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    Time: 05:59:15 AM PST US
    Subject: morning videos
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    I got an early start this morning and took a few videos. Take-off at 9G0 at 6:20AM - length 0:59 http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee#p/a/u/2/8SgkzFTFSUE Wind Farm SE of Buffalo, NY - length 4:25 http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee#p/a/u/1/Hsiw9-lDQww Attica State Prison, NY - length 2:26 http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee#p/a/u/0/jJak7r8Xahg Unfortunately, there is a good bit of reflection in the canopy/windscreen. How bad depends on where the sun is coming from. In every case the sun is pretty low as all were taken before 7:30 AM. At least I got the iphone mount in a much better location than on previous videos I posted. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346755#346755


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    Time: 06:28:44 AM PST US
    Subject: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse
    From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    http://vimeo.com/26517093 One of the interesting features of the Desert is the seasonal lightening storms. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.*


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    Time: 06:34:08 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: morning videos
    - Nice videos.- Did you notice any unusual turbulance over the wind far m? - ------------------------- ---------------------- Bill Sul livan --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote: From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> Subject: Kolb-List: morning videos I got an early start this morning and took a few videos. Take-off at 9G0- at 6:20AM - length 0:59 http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee#p/a/u/2/8SgkzFTFSUE Wind Farm SE of Buffalo, NY - length 4:25 http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee#p/a/u/1/Hsiw9-lDQww Attica State Prison, NY - length 2:26 http://www.youtube.com/user/thomriddle?feature=mhee#p/a/u/0/jJak7r8Xahg Unfortunately, there is a good bit of reflection in the canopy/windscreen. How bad depends on where the sun is coming from. In every case the sun is p retty low as all were taken before 7:30 AM. At least I got the iphone mount in a much better location than on previous videos I posted. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346755#346755 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 06:49:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: morning videos
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    "Did you notice any unusual turbulance over the wind farm?" William, None at all. Of course I did not get within 500' of the wind turbines and for the most part I was above them, not down wind from them at their level. Re: Wind tubines I've read a lot of anti-wind-turbine hype and some say that they are noisy. A few weeks ago, I drove to this area and parked my car between two of them close by. I got out of the car and the only sound I heard were birds chirping. So much for them being noisy and being dangerous to birds. This particular wind farm is the closest one to Buffalo (not counting the 7-8 turbines on the lake-front) but there are many more further SE of Buffalo. I would guess there are a few hundred of them in this part of western NY and more coming. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346759#346759


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    Time: 06:57:04 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: morning videos
    - Thom- Thanks.- The noise issue was raised in Vt., near where I have a cabin.- The NIMBY syndrome, noisy, chopping up birds, unsightly, etc.- They are putting some up on a high ridge there.- As I intend to put in a field there, I was wondering about it.- I wouldn't be anywhere near 500' in any direction.- Probably more turbulence with the hills, ponds, and l akes. - ------------------------- ------------------------- Bill do not archive --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote: From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: morning videos "Did you notice any unusual turbulance over the wind farm?" William, None at all. Of course I did not get within 500' of the wind turbines and f or the most part I was above them, not down wind from them at their level. Re: Wind tubines I've read a lot of anti-wind-turbine hype and some say that they are noisy. A few weeks ago, I drove to this area and parked my car between two of the m close by. I got out of the car and the only sound I heard were birds chir ping. So much for them being noisy and being dangerous to birds. This particular wind farm is the closest one to Buffalo (not counting the 7 -8 turbines on the lake-front) but there are many more further SE of Buffal o. I would guess there are a few hundred of them in this part of western NY and more coming. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346759#346759 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 07:15:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: morning videos
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    Thom, Nice videos, "not in my back yard" we have hundreds of wind generators just over the next hill and far away from my runway. Fly Safe -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346762#346762


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    Time: 07:23:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    lcottrell Beautiful remote Countryside. How far away is the nearest grocery store? [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346764#346764


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    Time: 07:47:20 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Firefly: new build?
    From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> >1. What is the weight of a Firefly newly assembled from the two kits, sans >instruments, lighting, covering and >engine? Rotax 447 (79 hrs) -> 248 pounds Simonini Victor 1+ (187 hrs) -> 252 pounds MZ 34 (48 min) -> 213 pounds >2. What is the minimum HP required for a "safe-feeling" climb rate and 150' >liftoff with a 200lb pilot? Will 30HP do it (CRE MZ-34 or Simonini Mini 2S)? >What about 33HP / 36HP (Simonini Mini 2 Evo or Mini 3)? >From my flight log: "November 8, 2010 - Flight 749, 18 minutes - 268:13 tt, MZ 00:48. Just flew around the airport, 52 inch high pitch IVO mounted, top rpm was 5,700 or 24 hp. Engine running rich at 1,150 degrees F EGT. Ran the engine wide open for most of the flight. Burned 0.8 gallons with an average burn rate of 3.0 gph. Conditions were perfect for a test flight. New runway is very smooth, long and wide. Very comfortable quiet flight. Climb out varied between 300 to 500 fpm. Wide open level flight at 5,700 rpm gave 60 mph, Throttled back to 5,000 rpm and the FireFly could maintain level flight with no problem." This flight convinced me to boost the belt reduction ratio from 2.34 up to 2.60. One thing I would like to mention here. With this engine running flat out, I experienced the smoothest and quietest powered flight in the FireFly. The double engine isolation mounting may be part of the reason. There was no straining or twitching of the airframe while in flight. I have just completed the wing brace repairs and will be mounting the new belt reduction pulley. This may take a few days. The reducer tightening pivots on a large 20, or so threaded boss. I expect I will have to make shims to ensure good belt to pulley alignment when the belt is under working tension. >3. What advantages does a 2-blade ground-adjustable prop have over 3-blades? >My previous Twinstar of 22 years ago had the 66" wooden 2-blade. So far I've >been told "less vibration". I have always used IVO propellers and have run two and three blade propellers. Three blade IVO was a little quieter than the two blade. I do not recommend the ultralight IVO propeller, as it appears to be a much less efficient propeller than the medium IVO for the 55 - 60 mph range. With the MZ 34 I flew both the ultralight and medium propellers cut close to the same size and the medium IVO won hands down. The ultralight IVO could be pitch adjusted to get the MZ 34 up to 6,300 rpm (27hp), but the FireFly cruise speed was about 40 mph. As shown above, the over pitched medium IVO adsorbing 24hp pushed the FireFly right along. Off to the airport. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:08:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Kolb get-togethers
    From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan@hotmail.com>
    I've read several threads regarding a get-together in Monument Valley, but are there any other Kolb gatherings anywhere? Airventure and Sun n Fun don't count. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346770#346770


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    Time: 03:15:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Florida Video
    From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
    Hi, Kolbers, Thought you might enjoy this video shot by a friend yesterday as a flight of five flew from Airglades (2IS) in Clewiston, Florida to Labelle (X14). There were two Kolbs, a Flyboy, (Czech plane) and two Drifters. The yellow MKIII is "Fat Albert," one of the original Kolb factory demo's, flown by Peter Volum, who has owned her for 12 years. Mine, the red and yellow MKIII was built by Stephen Green, and I've owned her for 2.5 happy years. The two drifters are based at Airglades, and are flown by two long-time ultralighters, Andy and Paul. The Flyboy, and Fat Albert are based at "Richards", a private grass strip NE of Homestead General (X51.) A great day was had by all, as we checked out some open land that Andy is thinking of developing as a fly-in camping retreat near Labelle. You can see that this part of South Florida has just received some much needed rain, after a severe drought this spring. They got 5 inches in about 24 hours. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYfAUt8MlqE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346803#346803


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    Time: 03:25:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Florida Video
    From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
    Oops, sorry, the Czech plane is a "Skyboy," not a "Flyboy," but at 100kts cruise, that's what it does! Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346804#346804


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    Time: 04:13:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: morning videos
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    FWIW --wind generators CAN be noisy. One was put in at Cuttyhunk, another on Block Island; both were removed because they made too much noise. This is sometimes because they'll start up whenever a wind rises, maybe at 3AM. Also, they DO kill birds, whether you see bodies or not. Remember many birds migrate at night. There just ain't no free lunch. Russ K On Jul 17, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > Thom, > > > Nice videos, "not in my back yard" we have hundreds of wind generators just over the next hill and far away from my runway. > > > Fly Safe > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346762#346762 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:17:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Florida Video
    From: "gotime242" <dylanshine@gmail.com>
    Wow, awesome. I fly my Firestar II out of lantana and usually just go as far as F45, but id love to venture off into florida a little bit more... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346814#346814


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    Time: 04:17:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: morning videos
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    it was real noisy I thought, oh my mistake that was kolb noise Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 9:47 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: morning videos "Did you notice any unusual turbulance over the wind farm?" William, None at all. Of course I did not get within 500' of the wind turbines and for he most part I was above them, not down wind from them at their level. Re: Wind tubines 've read a lot of anti-wind-turbine hype and some say that they are noisy. A ew weeks ago, I drove to this area and parked my car between two of them close y. I got out of the car and the only sound I heard were birds chirping. So much or them being noisy and being dangerous to birds. This particular wind farm is the closest one to Buffalo (not counting the 7-8 urbines on the lake-front) but there are many more further SE of Buffalo. I ould guess there are a few hundred of them in this part of western NY and more oming. -------- hom Riddle uffalo, NY (9G0) olb Slingshot SS-021 abiru 2200A #1574 ennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. Albert Einstein ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346759#346759 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 05:19:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Florida Video
    From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
    Let's plan to meet at Lantana and go some place- Okeechobee or Airglades. Fun to watch the skydivers there and get a hamburger... 954-608-5423. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346817#346817


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    Time: 06:15:38 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse
    The nearest " Wally world" is 118 miles, :-) Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Thate To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 8:21 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse <retroman@frontier.com> lcottrell Beautiful remote Countryside. How far away is the nearest grocery store? [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346764#346764


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    Time: 07:17:08 PM PST US
    From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: an interesting evening at the Rockhouse
    >There ain't no civilization at Wally World!! Herb > >The nearest " Wally world" is 118 miles, :-) >Larry > >Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding >history, which includes my email address. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:retroman@frontier.com>Dennis Thate




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