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1. 06:07 AM - Sat & Sun fly-ins (zeprep251@aol.com)
2. 10:35 AM - Aileron gap seal (william sullivan)
3. 12:11 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Dennis Thate)
4. 12:57 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Richard Pike)
5. 02:55 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
6. 03:16 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
7. 03:23 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Richard Pike)
8. 03:29 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Mike Welch)
9. 04:15 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Ozarkflyer)
10. 04:17 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Rex Rodebush)
11. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Aileron gap seal (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
12. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: spring to hold doors open (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
13. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Aileron gap seal (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Sat & Sun fly-ins |
Finally got 2or3 nice days in a row on a weekend to boot.Private strip acr
oss the road from the Island Creek Grill.Akron muni, KAKR had a club spons
ored fly-in the same day.Not much happening there.Four of us flew in and d
oubled the number of aircraft parked by the breakfast hanger.
Sunday Eaa chapter at Marlboro pancake breakfast,only 10minutes from 1D4.Ni
ce old "Pete".
G.Aman MK3C
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| Subject: | Aileron gap seal |
--I am about to do the aileron/wing gap seal on my original Firestar.
- I intend to use 4" wide Stits tape in the "S" pattern.- Should I go f
rom the top of the wing to the bottom of the aileron, or vice versa?- Is
this part really necessary?- I have seen Kolbs without it.- I have also
seen them done with bookbinding tape.- Also, what about the gap from the
horizontal stabilizer to the elevator, and the vertical stabilizer to the
rudder?- Comments?
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-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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-------------------- FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron gap seal |
I too am looking into this ; Here is what I've found so far...hope other Kolbers
will chime in !
"The purpose of a Gap Seal is to create a pressure barrier between the high pressure
air on the bottom of the wing and the low pressure air on the top of the
wing. The diagram shows how the air moves upward through the gaps, thus causing
significant drag and reduced control authority.
Another benefit to a Knots 2U Gap Seal is that it smoothes the air traveling along
the bottom of the wing, thus further improving airflow. The effects of a good
Gap Seal kit will be: "
4 mph increased cruise speed
50-100 fpm improved rate of climb
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron gap seal |
I would go from the bottom of the wing to the top of the aileron in hopes that
it might suck out some of the junk that will inevitably get caught in the crack.
Aside from that, I can't think of a good reason why one way or the other would
be better, but maybe somebody else can.
I noticed an improvement in control authority when I gap sealed the elevator to
the stab on the MKIII, didn't do the rudder. I used Office Depot premium packing
tape for that, but first laid a strip of Scotch tape along the middle on the
sticky side of the wide tape so that it wouldn't collect dirt. That was several
years ago, still holding but due to be replaced.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron gap seal |
from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and
no need to do the tail area
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:31 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron gap seal
I am about to do the aileron/wing gap seal on my original Firestar. I
intend to use 4" wide Stits tape in the "S" pattern. Should I go from th
e top of the wing to the bottom of the aileron, or vice versa? Is this pa
rt really necessary? I have seen Kolbs without it. I have also seen them
done with bookbinding tape. Also, what about the gap from the horizontal
stabilizer to the elevator, and the vertical stabilizer to the rudder?
Comments?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: spring to hold doors open |
I have been looking for a link for the little springy things that hold a
light door open like a kolb door can anyone help me out here ?
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
Building MK3Xtra
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron gap seal |
elleryweld(at)aol.com wrote:
> from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and no
need to do the tail area
> Ellery Batchelder Jr.
> --
Ok, I'll assume that the Firestar doesn't have the problems with elevator authority
that the MKIII does with 2 big'uns on board, and doesn't need an elevator/stabilizer
gap seal, but why does the aileron gap seal work better from the top
of the wing to the bottom of the ailerons? Not being contentious, just curious.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: spring to hold doors open |
Ellery,
Rick G shared with the Kolb list an outfit that sold those things at REALL
Y good prices. I'll see if I can find his email, otherwise, he's the guy to
get ahold of.
Mike Welch
>
> I have been looking for a link for the little springy things that hold a l
ight door open like a kolb door can anyone help me out here ?
>
>
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> Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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> Building MK3Xtra
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| Subject: | Re: spring to hold doors open |
A good marine/boating supply company will have them. I think I bought mine from
West Marine and they are used to hold hatches, live-well doors, etc. open.
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| Subject: | Re: spring to hold doors open |
Ellery,
Check out www.moonlitemarine.com. Look under hatch holders. I have one on each door and they work great. I think I bought mine through an industrial supply catalog but I don't remember which one.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron gap seal |
its just easier to install that way so it wont cause the gap seal to get
stretched tight during full deflection because the hinge point is closer
to the bottom then it is to the top I never had them on my firestar tail
area and I never had them on my MK3C tail area but it is not written in
stone you have to do it this way its just what worked best for me
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:21 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal
lleryweld(at)aol.com wrote:
from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and
no
eed to do the tail area
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
--
k, I'll assume that the Firestar doesn't have the problems with elevator
uthority that the MKIII does with 2 big'uns on board, and doesn't need an
levator/stabilizer gap seal, but why does the aileron gap seal work better
from
he top of the wing to the bottom of the ailerons? Not being contentious,
just
urious.
Richard Pike
KIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: spring to hold doors open |
REX thank you that is just what I have been looking for
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:15 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: spring to hold doors open
Ellery,
Check out www.moonlitemarine.com. Look under hatch holders. I have one
on each
oor and they work great. I think I bought mine through an industrial supp
ly
atalog but I don't remember which one.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron gap seal |
correction you don't have to do it this way
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal
its just easier to install that way so it wont cause the gap seal to get
stretched tight during full deflection because the hinge point is closer
to the bottom then it is to the top I never had them on my firestar tail
area and I never had them on my MK3C tail area but it is not written in
stone you have to do it this way its just what worked best for me
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:21 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal
lleryweld(at)aol.com wrote:
from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and
no
eed to do the tail area
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
--
k, I'll assume that the Firestar doesn't have the problems with elevator
uthority that the MKIII does with 2 big'uns on board, and doesn't need an
levator/stabilizer gap seal, but why does the aileron gap seal work better
from
he top of the wing to the bottom of the ailerons? Not being contentious,
just
urious.
Richard Pike
KIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: spring to hold doors open |
Ellery, Surplus Center:
https://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?catname=misc&keyword=XG11
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>wrote:
>
> I have been looking for a link for the little springy things that hold a
> light door open like a kolb door can anyone help me out here ?
>
>
> *Ellery Batchelder Jr.*
>
> Building MK3Xtra
>
>
> *
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