---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/18/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:07 AM - Sat & Sun fly-ins (zeprep251@aol.com) 2. 10:35 AM - Aileron gap seal (william sullivan) 3. 12:11 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Dennis Thate) 4. 12:57 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Richard Pike) 5. 02:55 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 6. 03:16 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 7. 03:23 PM - Re: Aileron gap seal (Richard Pike) 8. 03:29 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Mike Welch) 9. 04:15 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Ozarkflyer) 10. 04:17 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Rex Rodebush) 11. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Aileron gap seal (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 12. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: spring to hold doors open (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 13. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Aileron gap seal (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 14. 07:16 PM - Re: spring to hold doors open (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sat & Sun fly-ins From: zeprep251@aol.com Finally got 2or3 nice days in a row on a weekend to boot.Private strip acr oss the road from the Island Creek Grill.Akron muni, KAKR had a club spons ored fly-in the same day.Not much happening there.Four of us flew in and d oubled the number of aircraft parked by the breakfast hanger. Sunday Eaa chapter at Marlboro pancake breakfast,only 10minutes from 1D4.Ni ce old "Pete". G.Aman MK3C ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:10 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron gap seal --I am about to do the aileron/wing gap seal on my original Firestar. - I intend to use 4" wide Stits tape in the "S" pattern.- Should I go f rom the top of the wing to the bottom of the aileron, or vice versa?- Is this part really necessary?- I have seen Kolbs without it.- I have also seen them done with bookbinding tape.- Also, what about the gap from the horizontal stabilizer to the elevator, and the vertical stabilizer to the rudder?- Comments? - ------------------------- -------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- -------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- -------------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal From: "Dennis Thate" I too am looking into this ; Here is what I've found so far...hope other Kolbers will chime in ! "The purpose of a Gap Seal is to create a pressure barrier between the high pressure air on the bottom of the wing and the low pressure air on the top of the wing. The diagram shows how the air moves upward through the gaps, thus causing significant drag and reduced control authority. Another benefit to a Knots 2U Gap Seal is that it smoothes the air traveling along the bottom of the wing, thus further improving airflow. The effects of a good Gap Seal kit will be: " 4 mph increased cruise speed 50-100 fpm improved rate of climb -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346906#346906 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gap_seal_2_204.gif ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal From: "Richard Pike" I would go from the bottom of the wing to the top of the aileron in hopes that it might suck out some of the junk that will inevitably get caught in the crack. Aside from that, I can't think of a good reason why one way or the other would be better, but maybe somebody else can. I noticed an improvement in control authority when I gap sealed the elevator to the stab on the MKIII, didn't do the rudder. I used Office Depot premium packing tape for that, but first laid a strip of Scotch tape along the middle on the sticky side of the wide tape so that it wouldn't collect dirt. That was several years ago, still holding but due to be replaced. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346912#346912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron gap seal From: Ellery Batchelder Jr from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and no need to do the tail area Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: william sullivan Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:31 am Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron gap seal I am about to do the aileron/wing gap seal on my original Firestar. I intend to use 4" wide Stits tape in the "S" pattern. Should I go from th e top of the wing to the bottom of the aileron, or vice versa? Is this pa rt really necessary? I have seen Kolbs without it. I have also seen them done with bookbinding tape. Also, what about the gap from the horizontal stabilizer to the elevator, and the vertical stabilizer to the rudder? Comments? Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spring to hold doors open From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I have been looking for a link for the little springy things that hold a light door open like a kolb door can anyone help me out here ? Ellery Batchelder Jr. Building MK3Xtra ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal From: "Richard Pike" elleryweld(at)aol.com wrote: > from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and no need to do the tail area > Ellery Batchelder Jr. > -- Ok, I'll assume that the Firestar doesn't have the problems with elevator authority that the MKIII does with 2 big'uns on board, and doesn't need an elevator/stabilizer gap seal, but why does the aileron gap seal work better from the top of the wing to the bottom of the ailerons? Not being contentious, just curious. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346940#346940 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spring to hold doors open From: Mike Welch Ellery, Rick G shared with the Kolb list an outfit that sold those things at REALL Y good prices. I'll see if I can find his email, otherwise, he's the guy to get ahold of. Mike Welch > > I have been looking for a link for the little springy things that hold a l ight door open like a kolb door can anyone help me out here ? > > > > Ellery Batchelder Jr. > > Building MK3Xtra > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: spring to hold doors open From: "Ozarkflyer" A good marine/boating supply company will have them. I think I bought mine from West Marine and they are used to hold hatches, live-well doors, etc. open. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346948#346948 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: spring to hold doors open From: "Rex Rodebush" Ellery, Check out www.moonlitemarine.com. Look under hatch holders. I have one on each door and they work great. I think I bought mine through an industrial supply catalog but I don't remember which one. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346951#346951 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal From: Ellery Batchelder Jr its just easier to install that way so it wont cause the gap seal to get stretched tight during full deflection because the hinge point is closer to the bottom then it is to the top I never had them on my firestar tail area and I never had them on my MK3C tail area but it is not written in stone you have to do it this way its just what worked best for me Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:21 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal lleryweld(at)aol.com wrote: from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and no eed to do the tail area Ellery Batchelder Jr. -- k, I'll assume that the Firestar doesn't have the problems with elevator uthority that the MKIII does with 2 big'uns on board, and doesn't need an levator/stabilizer gap seal, but why does the aileron gap seal work better from he top of the wing to the bottom of the ailerons? Not being contentious, just urious. Richard Pike KIII N420P (420ldPoops) ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346940#346940 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: spring to hold doors open From: Ellery Batchelder Jr REX thank you that is just what I have been looking for Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Rex Rodebush Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:15 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: spring to hold doors open Ellery, Check out www.moonlitemarine.com. Look under hatch holders. I have one on each oor and they work great. I think I bought mine through an industrial supp ly atalog but I don't remember which one. Rex ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346951#346951 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal From: Ellery Batchelder Jr correction you don't have to do it this way Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:03 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal its just easier to install that way so it wont cause the gap seal to get stretched tight during full deflection because the hinge point is closer to the bottom then it is to the top I never had them on my firestar tail area and I never had them on my MK3C tail area but it is not written in stone you have to do it this way its just what worked best for me Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:21 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron gap seal lleryweld(at)aol.com wrote: from the top of the wing to the bottom side of the aileron works best and no eed to do the tail area Ellery Batchelder Jr. -- k, I'll assume that the Firestar doesn't have the problems with elevator uthority that the MKIII does with 2 big'uns on board, and doesn't need an levator/stabilizer gap seal, but why does the aileron gap seal work better from he top of the wing to the bottom of the ailerons? Not being contentious, just urious. Richard Pike KIII N420P (420ldPoops) ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346940#346940 ======================== =========== get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ======================== p://forums.matronics.com ======================== blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spring to hold doors open From: Richard Girard Ellery, Surplus Center: https://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?catname=misc&keyword=XG11 Rick Girard On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote: > > I have been looking for a link for the little springy things that hold a > light door open like a kolb door can anyone help me out here ? > > > *Ellery Batchelder Jr.* > > Building MK3Xtra > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.