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1. 05:50 AM - New Owner, Enlighten me please (Dennis Thate)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please (robert bean)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please (gotime242)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: History of Kolb aircraft (David Kulp)
5. 09:53 AM - Re: History of Kolb aircraft (Richard Girard)
6. 10:44 AM - Re: History of Kolb aircraft (Dennis Thate)
7. 10:46 AM - Re: History of Kolb aircraft (robert bean)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: History of Kolb aircraft (Richard Girard)
9. 04:59 PM - Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please (Dennis Thate)
10. 05:28 PM - Re: History of Kolb aircraft (Dana Hague)
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Subject: | New Owner, Enlighten me please |
My Kolb Firestar II / Rotax 503 Experimental with only 80 hours on the airframe
& engine, now needs it's first annual inspection in August . I'm now the second
owner, I didn't build it so I need an A&P to do the inspection.
What does this inspection consist of ? What forms do I need to provide the A&P
with ? What forms does he need to sign. What is a typical cost of this condition
inspection. What does the A&P inspect?
Any accurate info would for a legal inspection would be appreciated.
[Question] Thanks
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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Subject: | Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please |
The same procedure as an annual but called a "condition inspection"
Log book entry
BB
On 2, Aug 2011, at 8:48 AM, Dennis Thate wrote:
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> My Kolb Firestar II / Rotax 503 Experimental with only 80 hours on the airframe
& engine, now needs it's first annual inspection in August . I'm now the second
owner, I didn't build it so I need an A&P to do the inspection.
>
> What does this inspection consist of ? What forms do I need to provide the A&P
with ? What forms does he need to sign. What is a typical cost of this condition
inspection. What does the A&P inspect?
>
> Any accurate info would for a legal inspection would be appreciated.
>
> [Question] Thanks
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> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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> Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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Subject: | Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please |
The cost really depends on who you get to do it. Most AP's will never touch and
aircraft such as a kolb to do a condition inspections...or anything else for
that matter. So you will have to find one that is comfortable with these experimental
airplanes. What most people end up doing is having a freind who is an
AP do it for a couple hundred bucks or less. If you took it to a shop that you
dont know at all, and they agree to do it...i cant say what it might cost, could
be quite a bit.
As far as forms go, once complete he will need to add an Annual Condition Inspection
log entry to your airframe and engine logbooks, and he will check your a/c
registration and airworthiness. Thats really about it aside from whatever
he has you fill out.
The AP will inspect the condition of the entire aircraft.
I attached a non-official inspection checklist that someone else on this forum
had for a Kolbra and changed it a little bit, to give you an idea of what to look
for.
Hope this helps.
-Dylan
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Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
Time: 12:35:17 PM PST US
Subject: Re: History of Kolb aircraft
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
Thanks, Great Post and new to me. Homer's early design seemed a
fish out of water
in the early years of the ultra lite movement. But his three axis
control set
him apart from some of the weight shift death traps of the early
days.
Hello Kolbers,
I don't get some attachments so I don't know if this has been included
in the thread.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the ultralight movement began in
the '80s when
they began hanging engines on hang gliders, hence the wight shift
models. However,
as you can see in the attached photo, Homer was building real three axis
"ultralights"
about 30 years before they existed.
This photo is from '56 which puts Homer in his early 20s. The aircraft
was powered
by 4 chainsaw engines. This is early history of the fine aircraft we
are fortunate
enough to fly.
Best,
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
Actually it was the mid 70's. I had a Mac 101 powered Easy Riser in '76 and
a Soarmaster power pack on a Phoenix 8 Sr. in '78.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:05 AM, David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> Time: 12:35:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: History of Kolb aircraft
> From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
>
>
> Thanks, Great Post and new to me. Homer's early design seemed a fish
> out of water
> in the early years of the ultra lite movement. But his three axis
> control set
> him apart from some of the weight shift death traps of the early days.
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> I don't get some attachments so I don't know if this has been included in
> the thread.
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the ultralight movement began in the
> '80s when
> they began hanging engines on hang gliders, hence the wight shift models.
> However,
> as you can see in the attached photo, Homer was building real three axis
> "ultralights"
> about 30 years before they existed.
>
> This photo is from '56 which puts Homer in his early 20s. The aircraft was
> powered
> by 4 chainsaw engines. This is early history of the fine aircraft we are
> fortunate
> enough to fly.
>
> Best,
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
> FireFly 11DMK
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
Airframe Info
Manufacturer: Kolb
Model: KOLB FEATHER Search all Kolb KOLB FEATHER
Year built: 0000
Construction Number (C/N): K2
Number of Seats: 1
Number of Engines: 1
Aircraft
Registration Number: N2HK
Mode S Code: 50307012
Current Status: Deregistered
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N2HK.html
Well Homer was definitely a pioneer !
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
Several years ago I had stopped in at a neighbor's place who has a back
yard strip and watched a pterodactal fly.
Being a guy with a license and a real airplane, I was content with my
lot in life but, just the same, quite curious about
these rigs of cable and slipcover wings. -the better ones were actually
sort of inviting.
The driver was a hippie looking guy, ponytail and berkenstocks. Seemed
a little standoffish or aloof. About what, I don't know.
He spent a long time on his preflight which, considering the plane, was
certainly in order. Then he climbed aboard,
started and took off. -alarming angle of climb, leveling off a couple
hundred feet above and did a turn tight enough that the inboard wingtip
could have been on a pivot post.
Well maybe it WAS capable of the climb angle, but I knew for certain
that if that thing quit he was in a pickle.
Sure enough, I talked to the neighbor a few years after that event and
was informed that he had been seriously broken up in an accident.
Maybe one of you guyz who did fly these early kits can tell me why you
would have spent as much money on one as a real
airplane. ???? I might have bought one but the economics looked like a
bad deal.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
-close enough to a real airplane for me
On 2, Aug 2011, at 12:50 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Actually it was the mid 70's. I had a Mac 101 powered Easy Riser in
'76 and a Soarmaster power pack on a Phoenix 8 Sr. in '78.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:05 AM, David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> Time: 12:35:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: History of Kolb aircraft
> From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
>
>
> Thanks, Great Post and new to me. Homer's early design seemed a
fish out of water
> in the early years of the ultra lite movement. But his three axis
control set
> him apart from some of the weight shift death traps of the early
days.
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> I don't get some attachments so I don't know if this has been included
in the thread.
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the ultralight movement began
in the '80s when
> they began hanging engines on hang gliders, hence the wight shift
models. However,
> as you can see in the attached photo, Homer was building real three
axis "ultralights"
> about 30 years before they existed.
>
> This photo is from '56 which puts Homer in his early 20s. The
aircraft was powered
> by 4 chainsaw engines. This is early history of the fine aircraft we
are fortunate
> enough to fly.
>
> Best,
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
> FireFly 11DMK
>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
Oh, man, way back when. The Easy Riser kit was $900 plus about $50 shipping.
I found a couple of new MAC 101 engines for $135 each and John Moody's plans
were $15. A prop was $50 and I built everything else. No landing gear, foot
launched, so I made a couple of skids to keep my butt out of the prop if I
should happen to fall on take off or landing. Climb rate was 150 fpm. Scared
the peewadden out of me every time I flew it.
Sold the Easy Riser, bought the latest hang glider after seeing the Phoenix
line at the Nationals in Oklahoma in '77. $950 from a friend who was a
dealer. Three of us went in to get the dealer discount on Soarmaster
powerpacks. $650 as I recall. The West Bend engine had 8 hp. Climb rate was
75 fpm on a good day, maybe. The first time I flew it I barely cleared the
power lines and tree line a half mile from my starting point and then I was
over a subdivision. Boy did those people look shocked to see me. As I got
higher it was like watching ants coming out of a hive. By the time I came
back to land there were a couple of hundred people to watch. By the third
flight the local news arrived. Nobody had ever seen some idiot run across
the ground and then take off before. They were all sure I was nuts. Probably
was. Probably still am.
Rick
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:43 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Several years ago I had stopped in at a neighbor's place who has a back
> yard strip and watched a pterodactal fly.
> Being a guy with a license and a real airplane, I was content with my lot
> in life but, just the same, quite curious about
> these rigs of cable and slipcover wings. -the better ones were actually
> sort of inviting.
>
> The driver was a hippie looking guy, ponytail and berkenstocks. Seemed a
> little standoffish or aloof. About what, I don't know.
> He spent a long time on his preflight which, considering the plane, was
> certainly in order. Then he climbed aboard,
> started and took off. -alarming angle of climb, leveling off a couple
> hundred feet above and did a turn tight enough that the inboard wingtip
> could have been on a pivot post.
>
> Well maybe it WAS capable of the climb angle, but I knew for certain that
> if that thing quit he was in a pickle.
> Sure enough, I talked to the neighbor a few years after that event and was
> informed that he had been seriously broken up in an accident.
>
> Maybe one of you guyz who did fly these early kits can tell me why you
> would have spent as much money on one as a real
> airplane. ???? I might have bought one but the economics looked like a bad
> deal.
> BB
> MkIII, suzuki
> -close enough to a real airplane for me
>
> On 2, Aug 2011, at 12:50 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> Actually it was the mid 70's. I had a Mac 101 powered Easy Riser in '76 and
> a Soarmaster power pack on a Phoenix 8 Sr. in '78.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:05 AM, David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Time: 12:35:17 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: History of Kolb aircraft
>> From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Great Post and new to me. Homer's early design seemed a fish
>> out of water
>> in the early years of the ultra lite movement. But his three axis
>> control set
>> him apart from some of the weight shift death traps of the early
>> days.
>>
>> Hello Kolbers,
>>
>> I don't get some attachments so I don't know if this has been included in
>> the thread.
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the ultralight movement began in
>> the '80s when
>> they began hanging engines on hang gliders, hence the wight shift models.
>> However,
>> as you can see in the attached photo, Homer was building real three axis
>> "ultralights"
>> about 30 years before they existed.
>>
>> This photo is from '56 which puts Homer in his early 20s. The aircraft
>> was powered
>> by 4 chainsaw engines. This is early history of the fine aircraft we are
>> fortunate
>> enough to fly.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dave Kulp
>> Bethlehem, PA
>> FireFly 11DMK
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please |
Thanks so much !
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
At 01:43 PM 8/2/2011, robert bean wrote:
>Maybe one of you guyz who did fly these early kits can tell me why you
>would have spent as much money on one as a real
>airplane. ???? I might have bought one but the economics looked like a
>bad deal.
The 'dacs weren't bad planes if flown within their limitations. They were
way overpowered with a Cuyuna engine (they could exceed Vne in level
flight!), but that must've made them a blast to fly (I never flew one, but
a friend of mine remembers his fondly). Yes, I bought my old T-Craft back
then for about what a new Quicksilver cost, but the picture might have been
different if I didn't already have my pilot certificate.
It's all about what kind of flying you want to do. Even today, a new PPG
costs as much or more than a used fixed wing ultralight, but PPGs are
probably outselling fixed wing ultralights by 10 to 1 or more. As a PPG
pilot also, I understand why.
-Dana
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Stupidity got us into this mess... why can't it get us out?
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