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Sun 08/07/11


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: HD video (Pat Ladd)
     2. 04:23 AM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (David Lucas)
     3. 04:35 AM - Re: HD video (Thom Riddle)
     4. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: HD video (russ kinne)
     5. 10:40 AM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Mic)
     6. 01:08 PM - Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please (Dennis Thate)
     7. 01:22 PM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Kirkds)
     8. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (pete)
     9. 02:40 PM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Richard Pike)
    10. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Dennis Souder)
    11. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Richard Girard)
    12. 03:54 PM - HOPE & PRAY (Dennis Thate)
    13. 03:56 PM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Beauford)
    14. 04:28 PM - Fw: olympic torch virus/facebook (russ kinne)
    15. 04:39 PM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Richard Pike)
    16. 05:17 PM - Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (henry.voris)
    17. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Herb)
    18. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (Ron @ KFHU)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:54:09 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: HD video
    if you are used to flying above 500' agl.>> That's interesting. What height agl do you guys usually fly? You always seem to give your heights above sea level but the fact that you are at 10,000feet doesn`t really mean much. I flew for an hour last night. Almost no wind and the air was smooth. Climbed out to about 1000ft.. Backed off the throttle as CHT`s were climbing. Cruise is usually 2600rpm which gives about 70mph. Climbed to 1500ft to sniff around a couple of hot air balloons. They took pictures. Dropped a bit lower to take a look at a farm strip with a couple of planes on it. Watched one take off and followed him for a while.Climbed with him to around 2000ft. Wandered off to look at a large quarry hole. Got a slight bump from a last lingering thermal coming off the hot stone face. This reminded me of landing out in my glider many many years ago when I failed to find a thermal coming from the same source. Flew hands off. Slight tendency to bank left. Nose dropped gently until the vario showed 2knots down and then it rose slowly and then repeated. Not self correcting so had to fly her again. About 15 miles from my strip at that point at 1700 ft agl so turned for home. Throttled back and began to slide downhill until close to the strip. Dropped to around 1000ft, No one else about. Straight in approach. Throttle back, 50 mph, First stage of flap. A bit high, Second stage flap. She drops comfortably into the slot. 500ft Back to first stage flap. 350ft Throttle back a bit, Speed a little high, nose up a touch. Close throttle and nudge the nose down a shade as we drift over the hedge. Taxy in, push her into the hangar. Put the covers on and close up the hangar. Wife turns up and we go to a local pub for a couple of pints and a steak..End of a perfect flight. Pat


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    Time: 04:23:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com>
    Come on folks, let's not get too hung up about these small suffix comments added to the end of some posts. As long as they don't take over the post (like this one is perilously close to doing). I find them a interesting enough, not offensive, and often quite amusing adding a bit of spice to life and I usually get a smile on my face after noting them. Enjoy life, and safe flying. David. Do not achieve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348801#348801


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    Time: 04:35:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HD video
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Pat, Depends upon where you live/fly. In western NY, we have to be careful of altitude for both legal and safety reasons. There is a lot of agricultural area here outside the cities but also lots of small towns and residences with precious little undeveloped area except for forests. The FAA says no closer than 500' from any person, structure or vehicle and 1,000' above "congested" areas is the normal minimum, except on departure and approach. Where Larry lives and flies, I suspect there are few if any mobile/cell towers or other tall structures that could snag him and few people, vehicles or structures which would require 500' clearance to stay legal. Certainly no areas that the most liberal interpretation would be called "congested". BTW, the FAA does not define "congested area" but in court, sometimes the interpretation has been as few as 3 houses in close proximity to each other, or so I've heard. I have no intention of finding out the hard way. When flying on the Lake Erie or Lake Ontario shoreline (off shore a bit) I am comfortable getting down to 100' agl or sometimes a bit less. A sudden unexpected sneeze at 20' agl could ruin the flight. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348802#348802


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    Time: 07:27:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HD video
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Sounds like the end of a perfect day, not just a perfect flight -- your wife is a gem; to pick you up & feed you steak & a pint! Tell her I said so Your CHT's normally climb that much in a climb? FWIW I usually fly at 500-1000 AGL because I Iike to look around, and take pictures. We must maintain 1000' over 'populated areas' fair winds, Russ On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > > if you are used to flying above 500' agl.>> > > That's interesting. What height agl do you guys usually fly? You always seem to give your heights above sea level but the fact that you are at 10,000feet doesn`t really mean much. > I flew for an hour last night. Almost no wind and the air was smooth. Climbed out to about 1000ft.. Backed off the throttle as CHT`s were climbing. Cruise is usually 2600rpm which gives about 70mph. Climbed to 1500ft to sniff around a couple of hot air balloons. They took pictures. > Dropped a bit lower to take a look at a farm strip with a couple of planes on it. Watched one take off and followed him for a while.Climbed with him to around 2000ft. > Wandered off to look at a large quarry hole. Got a slight bump from a last lingering thermal coming off the hot stone face. This reminded me of landing out in my glider many many years ago when I failed to find a thermal coming from the same source. Flew hands off. Slight tendency to bank left. Nose dropped gently until the vario showed 2knots down and then it rose slowly and then repeated. Not self correcting so had to fly her again. About 15 miles from my strip at that point at 1700 ft agl so turned for home. Throttled back and began to slide downhill until close to the strip. Dropped to around 1000ft, No one else about. Straight in approach. Throttle back, 50 mph, First stage of flap. A bit high, Second stage flap. She drops comfortably into the slot. 500ft Back to first stage flap. 350ft Throttle back a bit, Speed a little high, nose up a touch. Close throttle and nudge the nose down a shade as we drift over the hedge. Taxy in, push her into the hangar. Put the covers on and close up the hangar. Wife turns up and we go to a local pub for a couple of pints and a steak..End of a perfect flight. > > Pat > > > >


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    Time: 10:40:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: "Mic" <miceire@gmail.com>
    This is my one and only, first and last comment on this matter. I am a member of this forum because of my enthusiasm for airplanes and flying them. And, hopefully, to learn and one day share my experiences of building and flying a Kolb MKIII. My few comments to date have been relevant and pertinent to the aviation topic presented, and shall remain so. I suggest others would do well to do the same. My signature, however, like yours, is a personal matter and is not open for discussion in this forum. This short thread directed at me and my personal signature is, I dare say, inappropriate. Especially due to the fact that it hijacked the serious discussion about Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing. Come on now, you gotta be kidding. Oh, and BTW, I had the food fortune of seeing Phil the Gorilla numerous times as a small boy and thought he was a magnificent creature then and I remain impressed today. Stay focused and fly safely ya'll -------- &quot;Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense.&quot; - Chapman Cohen &quot;God is my favorite fictional character&quot; - Homer Simpson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348821#348821


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    Time: 01:08:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    I did receive this e-mail and am wondering if this is the consensus here ? " "I would like to recommend that you find a Rotax Expert to do a tear down, inspection, decarb and reseal. The recommended useful life of the engine seals are 6 yrs.. you can lose an engine easily to a blown seal besides,, useful life of the engine seals are 6 yrs.. ??? -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348836#348836


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    Time: 01:22:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: "Kirkds" <kirkds@dishmail.net>
    Oh the pro christian comments are ok here I've noticed over the years. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348837#348837


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    Time: 01:48:51 PM PST US
    From: "pete" <lhaggerty@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    Sure, why not? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirkds" <kirkds@dishmail.net> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing > > Oh the pro christian comments are ok here I've noticed over the years. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348837#348837 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >


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    Time: 02:40:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Since it is obvious that we have several fairly new listers who are planning to be blatent in using their signatures to put down people of faith, I am sure that in the interest of keeping things fair and balanced that no one will mind me adding Scripture verses to my signature, and changing them on a fairly regular basis. After all, I was a pastor long before I was on the Kolb list (starting years ago) and while I have never done anything like that before, if that is the way the folks on the list want to play, I'm in! On the other hand, if no one wants the list to go that way, maybe the anti-faith guys could back down and knock if off. And that works just fine for me. Mic - Dennis - The ball is in your court. Do we level the playing field or do we knock off the gratuitous insults toward believers? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) PS: Do you like my sample? -------- &quot;Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.&quot; - Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348847#348847


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    Time: 03:14:43 PM PST US
    From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    Kolb enthusiasts, I think everyone would agree that if it were not for Homer Kolb, this list would not exist because Kolb airplanes would not exist. If Homer were alive to read the anti-God sentiments associated with the Kolb list, he would at least be very saddened. I can understand that religious comments can pop up now and then, but I have a little more difficult understanding why someone would feel the need to make such comments a 24-7 integral part of their signature. Homer was building airplanes before I came along, but we started the business together and worked together for 20 years, so I know how he would have felt about this. This is a forum for Kolb aircraft - if anyone feels a pressing need to talk about God, Eugene has already offered to discuss off-line and I know there are many others too who don't feel they need to link their comments about stall speed, for instance, to their views concerning the existence of a deity. However if the list deems such personal conviction-signatures relevant to the Kolb discussions, then perhaps we all should express the things most pressing on our hearts. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mic Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing This is my one and only, first and last comment on this matter. I am a member of this forum because of my enthusiasm for airplanes and flying them. And, hopefully, to learn and one day share my experiences of building and flying a Kolb MKIII. My few comments to date have been relevant and pertinent to the aviation topic presented, and shall remain so. I suggest others would do well to do the same. My signature, however, like yours, is a personal matter and is not open for discussion in this forum. This short thread directed at me and my personal signature is, I dare say, inappropriate. Especially due to the fact that it hijacked the serious discussion about Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing. Come on now, you gotta be kidding. Oh, and BTW, I had the food fortune of seeing Phil the Gorilla numerous times as a small boy and thought he was a magnificent creature then and I remain impressed today. Stay focused and fly safely ya'll -------- &quot;Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense.&quot; - Chapman Cohen &quot;God is my favorite fictional character&quot; - Homer Simpson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348821#348821


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    Time: 03:17:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Since we're going to have a discussion in which there can be no winner, could we at least not drag Arty's name into it and have it under a different subject line? Or better yet, is there a more suitable forum somewhere else? Rick Girard On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: > > Since it is obvious that we have several fairly new listers who are > planning to be blatent in using their signatures to put down people of > faith, I am sure that in the interest of keeping things fair and balanced > that no one will mind me adding Scripture verses to my signature, and > changing them on a fairly regular basis. After all, I was a pastor long > before I was on the Kolb list (starting years ago) and while I have never > done anything like that before, if that is the way the folks on the list > want to play, I'm in! > > On the other hand, if no one wants the list to go that way, maybe the > anti-faith guys could back down and knock if off. And that works just fine > for me. > > Mic - Dennis - The ball is in your court. Do we level the playing field or > do we knock off the gratuitous insults toward believers? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > PS: Do you like my sample? > > -------- > &quot;Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of > things not seen.&quot; - Hebrews 11:1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348847#348847 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 03:54:09 PM PST US
    Subject: HOPE & PRAY
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    That is my windsock, it's covered in insecticide. There is an amazing amount of aerial corn spraying going on in the Midwest this season. I HOPE & PRAY that junk doesn't kill us all with insidious rare diseases. The human race is challenged more than ever before to demonstrate our mastery - not over nature but of ourselves ~ Rachel Carson -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348859#348859 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/insecticide_210.jpg


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    Time: 03:56:59 PM PST US
    From: "Beauford " <beauford173@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    Kolbers: Here is a fresh approach... What do you say we just follow the Matronics guidelines for this List and limit what we post or "sign" on here to precisely what 'ol Matt Dralle says WILL appear on here....? i.e., Civil words about Kolb airplanes and Kolb-related aviation topics. Nothing more. It has worked pretty well (with just a few ego-fueled exceptions- who are all List past history now...) since I got on here in 1999. Just a thought. Worth what ye paid fer it. Beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing


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    Time: 04:28:34 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook
    FWIW -- > >> >> Subject: olympic torch virus/facebook >> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS! In the coming days, you should be aware: Do not open any message with an attachment called: Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who send it. It is a virus that opens an Olympic torch that burns the whole hard disc C of your computer. This virus will be received from someone you had in your address book .. That's why you should send this message to all your contacts. It is better to receive this email 25 times than to receive the virus and open it .. If you receive a mail called: Invitation FACEBOOK, though sent by a friend, do not open it and delete it immediately. It is the worst virus announced by CNN. A new virus has been discovered recently that has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. And there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital information of their function is saved. I had this sent to me from another domain so thought i would pass it on thanks >> >> >


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    Time: 04:39:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    beauford wrote: > Kolbers: > Here is a fresh approach... > What do you say we just follow the Matronics guidelines for this List and > limit what we post or "sign" on here to precisely what 'ol Matt Dralle says WILL appear on here....? i.e., Civil words about Kolb airplanes and Kolb-related aviation topics. > Nothing more. > It has worked pretty well (with just a few ego-fueled exceptions- who are all List past history now...) since I got on here in 1999. > Just a thought. > Worth what ye paid fer it. > Beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > -- Works for me. But we'll see... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348865#348865


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    Time: 05:17:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    From: "henry.voris" <henry_voris@yahoo.com>
    But Beauford... I miss jet pilot. -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348868#348868


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    Time: 06:57:59 PM PST US
    From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    He is on another list on Planet Yahoo...:-) Herb At 07:14 PM 8/7/2011, you wrote: > >But Beauford... I miss jet pilot. > >-------- >Henry >Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348868#348868 > >


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    Time: 08:43:08 PM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
    what in h4 is going on people... this is a first time that we are having a fight over such stuff. I am beginning to suspect we have some trolls here (I am not recognizing some of these new names). Here the KOlB forum is an escape from the general social commotion outside. Lets not bring the crap here. I get enough of it from the TV,,, the last thing I / we need is it invading this list. I need some stress free time, I thought i was getting it here and now this. Ron @ KFHU do not archive ========================= ---- Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: ============ Since it is obvious that we have several fairly new listers who are planning to be blatent in using their signatures to put down people of faith, I am sure that in the interest of keeping things fair and balanced that no one will mind me adding Scripture verses to my signature, and changing them on a fairly regular basis. After all, I was a pastor long before I was on the Kolb list (starting years ago) and while I have never done anything like that before, if that is the way the folks on the list want to play, I'm in! On the other hand, if no one wants the list to go that way, maybe the anti-faith guys could back down and knock if off. And that works just fine for me. Mic - Dennis - The ball is in your court. Do we level the playing field or do we knock off the gratuitous insults toward believers? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) PS: Do you like my sample? -------- &quot;Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.&quot; - Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348847#348847 -- kugelair.com




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