---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/08/11: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:20 AM - Re: Re: HD video (Pat Ladd) 2. 02:38 AM - Re: Re: HD video (Pat Ladd) 3. 04:41 AM - Re: Fw: olympic torch virus/facebook (Stephen Spence) 4. 06:57 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (Bob Green) 5. 07:09 AM - Re: Fw: olympic torch virus/facebook (russ kinne) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing (russ kinne) 7. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (Michael Welch) 8. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (b young) 9. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (robert bean) 10. 08:39 AM - Engine out (Ozarkflyer) 11. 09:01 AM - Re: Engine out (Dennis Thate) 12. 09:09 AM - Re: Engine out (Phil) 13. 09:14 AM - Re: Engine out (Ron @ KFHU) 14. 09:57 AM - Re: Engine out (Michael Welch) 15. 10:04 AM - Re: Engine out (Dana Hague) 16. 10:06 AM - Re: Engine out (gliderx5@comcast.net) 17. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (Rick Neilsen) 18. 10:51 AM - Engine out (Lanny Fetterman) 19. 10:54 AM - Know before You Go/ Costly Embarrassment (Dennis Thate) 20. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (Richard Girard) 21. 12:12 PM - Re: Engine out (Pat Ladd) 22. 12:14 PM - Re: Engine out (Duane Ransdell) 23. 12:29 PM - flap speed (Pat Ladd) 24. 02:27 PM - Re: Engine out (russ kinne) 25. 02:32 PM - Re: Engine out (russ kinne) 26. 02:47 PM - Re: Engine out (Ozarkflyer) 27. 02:49 PM - Re: Engine out (Mike Welch) 28. 02:56 PM - Re: Engine out (robert bean) 29. 02:56 PM - FireFly & MZ 34 Progress (Jack B. Hart) 30. 03:10 PM - Re: Engine out (henry.voris) 31. 03:25 PM - Re: Engine out (russ kinne) 32. 03:27 PM - Re: Engine out (russ kinne) 33. 03:49 PM - Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress (Thom Riddle) 34. 03:52 PM - Re: Engine out (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 35. 03:57 PM - Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress (Richard Pike) 36. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 (Phil) 37. 05:25 PM - Ordering parts from Kolb (thumbs) 38. 05:36 PM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (william sullivan) 39. 05:53 PM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (thumbs) 40. 06:05 PM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Dana Hague) 41. 06:51 PM - Re: Engine out (Jack B. Hart) 42. 07:01 PM - Re: Engine out (dalewhelan) 43. 07:52 PM - Re: Engine out (Malcolm Brubaker) 44. 08:16 PM - Re: Engine out (Richard Girard) 45. 08:22 PM - Re: Engine out (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:36 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: HD video your wife is a gem; to pick you up & feed you steak & a pint!> Aint it de trooth! Aint it de trooth? Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:55 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: HD video <> Hi Thom, that would describe my area and the Flight Rules are the same. Fields are probably smaller than yours but there is usually something big enough to get into when it all goes quiet. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:40 AM PST US From: Stephen Spence Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook see:- =0A=0Ahttp://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/invitation.htm=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: russ kinne =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 7, 2011 7:25:41 PM=0ASub ject: Kolb-List: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook=0A=0AFWIW --=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A>=0A>=0A>>Subject: olympic torch virus/facebook=0A>>=0A>>PLEASE CIRCULAT E THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS! In the coming =0A>>days, y ou should be aware: -Do not open any message with an attachment called: =0A>>Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who send it. It is a virus that ope ns an =0A>>Olympic torch that burns the whole hard disc C of your computer. This virus will =0A>>be received from someone you had in your address book .. That's why you should =0A>>send this message to all your contacts. It i s better to receive this email 25 =0A>>times than to receive the virus and open it .. If you receive a mail called: =0A>>Invitation FACEBOOK, though s ent by a friend, do not open it and delete it =0A>>immediately. It is the w orst virus announced by CNN. A new virus has been =0A>>discovered recently that has been classified by Microsoft as the most =0A>>destructive virus ev er. And there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This =0A>>virus simp ly destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital =0A>>informat ion of their function is saved. -I-had this sent to me from another =0A >>domain so thought i would pass it on thanks =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:23 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver? The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone. Any thoughts anyone? So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA. Looking forward to Naugua Fly-in. Bob G. Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:57 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook List, I apologize for (apparently) sounding a false alarm in re computer viri. I was led to believe it was real. But what meathead(s) would spend their time constructing things like that? There are some sick puppies out here. Anyway, sorry bout that Russ K On Aug 8, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Stephen Spence wrote: > see: > http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/invitation.htm > From: russ kinne > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 7:25:41 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook > > FWIW -- > >> >>> >>> Subject: olympic torch virus/facebook >>> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS! In the coming days, you should be aware: Do not open any message with an attachment called: Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who send it. It is a virus that opens an Olympic torch that burns the whole hard disc C of your computer. This virus will be received from someone you had in your address book .. That's why you should send this message to all your contacts. It is better to receive this email 25 times than to receive the virus and open it .. If you receive a mail called: Invitation FACEBOOK, though sent by a friend, do not open it and delete it immediately. It is the worst virus announced by CNN. A new virus has been discovered recently that has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. And there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital information of their function is saved. I had this sent to me from another domain so thought i would pass it on thanks >>> >>> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing From: russ kinne Henry, how many times did you shoot?? On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:14 PM, henry.voris wrote: > > But Beauford... I miss jet pilot. > > -------- > Henry > Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo > > Do Not Archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348868#348868 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:05 AM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 Bob, One thing I noticed on my Cessna, which sat on the ramp most of it's life, was how much the TOP of the wings and upper surfaces showed fading, oxidation, and weathering in general. Direct sunlight is BRUTAL!!! However, the undersides of everything else, even though the paint job was 8+ years old, looked pristine, had no oxidation at all, and otherwise 'good as new'. So!!! Considering the underside of your plane (and mine) will virtually never see direct sunlight, I only used one layer of Poly Spray on the underside of the wings. On my spraying job, I found I could STILL see a little bit of daylight with the two top coats of Poly Spray, so I opted to go ahead and spray three of the Poly Spray on the topside surfaces only, and IIRC, I used two coats of Glacier White on the entire plane. Therefore, I would say I ended up with three 'top coats' of Poly Spray, and one underside coat. Everywhere then got two color coats of white. Since it's a hellava lot of work and money to recover the wings, I don't think I'd be inclined to skimp on the sunblocking Poly Spray. Maybe that's just me. FWIW, Mike ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:44 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver? The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone. Any thoughts anyone? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reason for the silver is to stop the uv from destroying the fabric,,,, the book says 3 cross coats will stop the uv. if you use 2 cross coats of silver,, you may not stop all the uv. boyd young mkiii utah ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 From: robert bean I think you will be ok with your plan. The silver color coat will reflect well. BB MkIII, suzuki On 8, Aug 2011, at 10:27 AM, b young wrote: > > > I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver? > The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone. > Any thoughts anyone? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the reason for the silver is to stop the uv from destroying the fabric,,,, the book says 3 cross coats will stop the uv. if you use 2 cross coats of silver,, you may not stop all the uv. > > boyd young > mkiii utah > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out From: "Ozarkflyer" Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "Dennis Thate" in 30 + years of GA flying I have never experienced an engine failure in a Continental or Lycoming Engine . The 6 Key Reasons for Rotax 503 Sudden Engine Stoppage: 1. Fuel Filter Clogged 2. Alcohol in Gasoline 3. Old Fuel 4. Inadvertent Mixture Leaning at Idle 5. Engine Warm Up and Shock Cooling 6. Air Filter Clogged -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348924#348924 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:40 AM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out I've never had an engine-out, but I've spent many flights practicing dead-s ticks. Find a familiar field, cut the engine, and practice. I've also pract iced restarts; my pull-cord was accessible from the cockpit. During a dead-stick it is critical that you fly the plane onto the ground. No three-point attempts, no flaring, until the last foot or two or three, w hen you're in ground effect and the bump, if any, will be minimal. And as others have said... don't think; just do. :) Phil H. Twinstar + Rotax 503, 1989 --- On Mon, 8/8/11, Ozarkflyer wrote: From: Ozarkflyer Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure?- Wha t kind of aircraft and engine?- Expand on your reply if you wish, but I w as just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:12 AM PST US From: "Ron @ KFHU" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out I had so far about 8 of them. Only one in a real "engine" a licensed Rolls Royce no less, Continental O-200 over at Caanes France back in the 80's the motor was about 900 hrs past TBO so should not have been a surprise for me. I was a low time pilot and the Riems Cessna -150 I was flying was my first airplane, I it bought off of an Aero Club in Shwabich Hall Germany. Didn't know anything about TBO's or cared just wanted to go fly. Got educated real quick about the mechanicals. The other ones were in Ultralights, most were in a Brigs and Stratton direct drive motors, in fact it became routine to have one or both of those little things conk out, so I never ventured away from the airport. I had an engine out a couple of years ago in a Cuyana 430 due to primer pump break admitting air into the system. All in all no injuries or damage. I think statistically speaking I should not have another engine failure in the next 300 years or so, or conversely a claim can be made that due to my luck or lack of it,,,, . Ron @ KFHU =============================== ---- Ozarkflyer wrote: ============ Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:58 AM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out Larry, Yes, a friend and I were departing in his friend's Cherokee, on our way to Golden West Airshow. The Cherokee was just out of annual the day before, and we didn't notice that one of the quick-drain fuel checkers was cocked open (but the fuel selector was shut off, so we didn't know). When he turned on the fuel supply, sitting in the plane, we didn't see the fuel pouring out the cocked open quick-drain. We taxi'ed out to the run-up area, throttled up to 1700, did the mag checks, etc, and thought we were 'good to go'. (partial engine run-up was only enough suction to HALT the fuel drainage, not suck up air from the open drain valve) Upon lining up for departure and going full throttle, we didn't realize at that point we had plenty of engine suction to now start sucking in air into that open quick-drain. We managed to get airborne, maybe about 150' up, and climbing. At this point, about 60% of the runway is behind us. All of a sudden, that great big air bubble trailing the fuel from the strainer, which was now empty, caused the engine to go into "pure idle". The throttle had zero effect. The engine did not die, it just went to idle, providing no power. Immediately, after looking at each with that "WTH??" look on our faces, he lowered the nose to land it with what little runway was left. We came to stop pretty close to the end of the runway. The engine never did die, it was still idling, and had enough power to taxi back to the hangar....leaving a trail of still dripping fuel all the way. Once he pulled up to the hangar, and shut the engine off, we jumped out to see what was wrong. There it was, a line of fuel pouring out of the quick-drain valve, under the engine cowling. I bent down to see why we had fuel pouring out from under the engine, and there it was!! The drain valve plunger was cock-eyed. A simple plunge in, and it dropped back in place correctly, stopping the fuel flow. FIVE seconds. FIVE MEASLY LITTLE SECONDS, and Dennis and I would have been landing in a shopping center....guaranteed!! (with a drain valve stuck open, pouring out fuel) Moral; Make sure you have checked and secured ALL fuel drainage points. Mike Welch lucky to have lived to tell the story! On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > > Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:23 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out At 11:36 AM 8/8/2011, Ozarkflyer wrote: > >Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What >kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was >just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. Two in a certified engine (Contentinental A-65 in a Taylorcraft): One due to contaminated fuel, and one due to the engine swallowing a valve seat on takeoff. Got it down without damage in both cases. Three with the Cuyuna engine in my UltraStar: One I believe to have been carburetor ice, two were apparently a bad carburetor float needle causing the engine to flood. In the first two the engine quit but I was able to restart; in the third it never actually quit but was delivering very little power; just as I was getting committed to an off airport landing the power came back. Several more in PPGs, but that hardly counts... -Dana -- Newton's Seventeenth Law of American Life: For every action, there is an unequal and moronic overreaction. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:06 AM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out I just had a loss of power, but not a total failure of my Rotax 503 Titan T ornado.=C2- The issue was a loose fuel line.=C2- Clamps solved the prob lem ( my bad).=C2- I had a fouled plug on an earlier 503 Kolb MKII a few years ago also.=C2- And a local flyer had a failure on a MKIII because th e impluse line to the fuel pump deteriorated. Malcolm Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ozarkflyer" Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 11:36:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? =C2- What kind of aircraft and engine? =C2-Expand on your reply if you wish, b ut I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 From: Rick Neilsen Bob Great to meet you. I sprayed the silver UV coating two on the top (sunny side) and one coat underside on my plane then tried to spray Red. Did not work well. Learned later that I should have sprayed a white coat then red. Your results may vary depending on your color. Rick Neilsen On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Bob Green wrote: > > I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray > and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver? > The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two > cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone. > Any thoughts anyone? > > So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA. Looking > forward to Naugua Fly-in. > > Bob G. > Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive. > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:55 AM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out I had a partial engine out on a Rotax 377, powered, Quicksilver MX in the late 80`s. I could not maintain level flight, but had enough power to choose a mowed hay field. The flapper valve in the fuel pump folded under itself, which cut my fuel flow in half. No damage upon landing. Also had a 210 Solo seize on a Paraplane in 1983. With one engine still running I was able to make it to a grass field in front of my house. (about five miles from Numidia airport, from whenst I had come) And pushed it home. That was caused by the carburetor needle settings changing while in flight, due to vibration. When I called the people at Paraplane, they said that wasn`t possible. However, about a month later they sent a letter, telling everyone, to zip tie the needles together so they didn`t move in flight. Go figure! Lanny N598LF ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Know before You Go/ Costly Embarrassment From: "Dennis Thate" Know before You Go/ Costly Embarrassment http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44037919/ns/us_news/?gt1=43001 Notams http://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/notams_tfr/media/tfrweb.pdf -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political organization. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348938#348938 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 From: Richard Girard Bob, Read Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual. Nevada Silver, Rancho Silver, and Piper Trainer Blue have all the aluminum powder in them that Poly Spray has and you don't need to use Poly Spray at all. Rick Girard On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > Bob > > Great to meet you. I sprayed the silver UV coating two on the top (sunny > side) and one coat underside on my plane then tried to spray Red. Did not > work well. Learned later that I should have sprayed a white coat then red. > Your results may vary depending on your color. > > Rick Neilsen > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Bob Green wrote: > >> >> I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray >> and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver? >> The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two >> cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone. >> Any thoughts anyone? >> >> So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA. >> Looking forward to Naugua Fly-in. >> >> Bob G. >> Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive. >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:28 PM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out suffered an engine-out failure?>> Not an engine failure but the same effect. I had the toothed drive band which connected the engine to the prop in my Challenger shed its teeth on two occasions. The unloaded engine screaming its head off until I killed it and the prop windmilling uselessly. Put her down, borrowed some tools from the farmer whose land I was on, replaced the belt and flew home. Pat ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: Duane Ransdell I have had five unplanned landings, but none in a Kolb. All were with the same Rotax 277 and three were heat related due to improper jetting. Fourth was pilot error because I was showing off and didn't do a thorough preflight. (Air in the fuel line.) The fifth time was not a full engine out, but it would not develope more than 4000 rpms in the air. I'm still don't know the cause of that one. It is in dry storage and I've lost interest in the project. Why do you ask? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:02 PM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: flap speed there was an exchange on the list a short while ago about the limiting speed for applying flap. Just checking for something else among my paperwork and I came across the Operating Limitations for my Xtra issued by the authority which clears each plane for flight in this country. This gives Maximum indicated Airspeed: 95mpg Maximum indicated Airspeed with Flaps extended: 60mph For what its worth. Pat ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: russ kinne I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one Lycoming. Both in Cessna 170. Russ K On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > > Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: russ kinne Mike When/if we ever meet, please shake my hand. Mebbe some of your luck will rub off! Fair winds, Russ K On Aug 8, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Michael Welch wrote: > > Larry, > > Yes, a friend and I were departing in his friend's Cherokee, on our way to Golden West Airshow. The Cherokee was just out of annual the day before, and we didn't notice that one of the quick-drain fuel checkers was cocked open (but the fuel selector was shut off, so we didn't know). When he turned on the fuel supply, sitting in the plane, we didn't see the fuel pouring out the cocked open quick-drain. > > We taxi'ed out to the run-up area, throttled up to 1700, did the mag checks, etc, and thought we were 'good to go'. (partial engine run-up was only enough suction to HALT the fuel drainage, not suck up air from the open drain valve) > > Upon lining up for departure and going full throttle, we didn't realize at that point we had plenty of engine suction to now start sucking in air into that open quick-drain. We managed to get airborne, maybe about 150' up, and climbing. At this point, about 60% of the runway is behind us. All of a sudden, that great big air bubble trailing the fuel from the strainer, which was now empty, caused the engine to go into "pure idle". The throttle had zero effect. The engine did not die, it just went to idle, providing no power. > > Immediately, after looking at each with that "WTH??" look on our faces, he lowered the nose to land it with what little runway was left. We came to stop pretty close to the end of the runway. The engine never did die, it was still idling, and had enough power to taxi back to the hangar....leaving a trail of still dripping fuel all the way. > > Once he pulled up to the hangar, and shut the engine off, we jumped out to see what was wrong. There it was, a line of fuel pouring out of the quick-drain valve, under the engine cowling. I bent down to see why we had fuel pouring out from under the engine, and there it was!! The drain valve plunger was cock-eyed. A simple plunge in, and it dropped back in place correctly, stopping the fuel flow. > > FIVE seconds. FIVE MEASLY LITTLE SECONDS, and Dennis and I would have been landing in a shopping center....guaranteed!! (with a drain valve stuck open, pouring out fuel) > > Moral; Make sure you have checked and secured ALL fuel drainage points. > > Mike Welch > lucky to have lived to tell the story! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > >> >> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "Ozarkflyer" Any type of a.c. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348967#348967 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:49 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine out Russ=2C =2C I'd be proud to=2C but I don't know about the luck rubbing off stuff. If I was so lucky=2C how come I flew that ultralight into the dirt once? Man=2C tha t hurt like....!! Mike W > Mike > When/if we ever meet=2C please shake my hand. Mebbe some of your luck wil l rub off! > Fair winds=2C > Russ K ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: robert bean forgot to gas up? heh heh heh BB On 8, Aug 2011, at 5:24 PM, russ kinne wrote: > > I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one Lycoming. Both in Cessna 170. > Russ K > > On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > >> >> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:07 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress Kolbers, The new belt sheave and modified propeller hub have been mounted. Several attempts to run the engine at speed with the tail tied to the pickup were terminated when the belt became slack. When I torqued up the clamping bolt to spec. the problem went away. With the 2.6 ratio, there is no problem of getting the engine up to speed. Flew for 27 minutes with the engine running flat out, with the EGT at 1,250 and CHT at 400 degrees F. Calculated fuel burn was 2.2 gph. Very hot and humid day. Engine quit on taxi in due to carburetor ice. Did not get good air speeds as my old GPS did not find enough satellites during the flight to register. Took the carburetor off and brought it home to modify. Added a static air pressure port to the carburetor bore just behind the air filter attachment ring. Since I am running low hp, I want to test to see which air filter provides the lowest air pressure drop when the engine is at speed. Loss of air pressure at the point of the carburetor is due to the air accelerating through the propeller. This may not be much of a problem with a larger engine, but with a smaller engine it is important to recover as much of the pressure as possible. With the FireFly tied to the pickup, I will test the round cylindrical foam air filter that came with the engine, and the K&N under three conditions. Since I have encased the filter in a scoop, I will run it with the scoop opening plane parallel to the air flow followed by rotating the scoop 90 degrees into the air flow while on the ground. Then I will again take data with the scoop forward while in flight. I expect to pick up several inches of water increased pressure. In an attempt to counter the ice build up at low engine speeds during high humidity conditions, I have drilled and tapped a hole to 8-1.25 mm thd in the boss on the bottom of the carburetor next to the mounting flange. I will be inserting a 20 watt heater that I obtained from KTMtwins.com. Should get the carburetor back on tomorrow or the next day. To be sure the engine is pointing in the right direction at cruise, I designed a little adjustable level that is attached to the left longeron, just back of the throttle. It will let me discover when I am in level flight by being able to center the bubble. Then once on the ground the tail of the FireFly can be elevated so that bubble can be returned to level flight position. Then with a digital level, the aoa and the propeller vertical plane of rotation can be measured. If the latter is off, one can washer the mounts until the propeller in dead on. If you would like to see the device, it can be found at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly163.html Still lots to do. When I get time, I will put up the new carburetor and belt reducer mods. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "henry.voris" FireFly Thundering 447 Fuel Starvation Take-Off 50ft. AGL 4,000 ft. of runway to go Non-event... -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348971#348971 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:36 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out Mike The fact you're still talking indicates luck for me! Russ K On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > Russ, > > , I'd be proud to, but I don't know about the luck rubbing off stuff. If I was > so lucky, how come I flew that ultralight into the dirt once? Man, that hurt like....!! > > Mike W > > > > Mike > > When/if we ever meet, please shake my hand. Mebbe some of your luck will rub off! > > Fair winds, > > Russ K > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: russ kinne BB No, I've got plenty of gas. Roommates sometimes have said too much. Russ K haw haw haw On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, robert bean wrote: > > forgot to gas up? > > heh heh heh > BB > > On 8, Aug 2011, at 5:24 PM, russ kinne wrote: > >> >> I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one Lycoming. Both in Cessna 170. >> Russ K >> >> On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: >> >>> >>> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:41 PM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress Jack, Following your continuing efforts to get better efficiency from your Firfly is always a treat. I like the guitar string gearbox.... great idea! Thom On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:57 PM, "Jack B. Hart" wrote: > > Kolbers, > > The new belt sheave and modified propeller hub have been mounted. Several > attempts to run the engine at speed with the tail tied to the pickup were > terminated when the belt became slack. When I torqued up the clamping bolt > to spec. the problem went away. With the 2.6 ratio, there is no problem of > getting the engine up to speed. Flew for 27 minutes with the engine running > flat out, with the EGT at 1,250 and CHT at 400 degrees F. Calculated fuel > burn was 2.2 gph. Very hot and humid day. Engine quit on taxi in due to > carburetor ice. Did not get good air speeds as my old GPS did not find > enough satellites during the flight to register. > > Took the carburetor off and brought it home to modify. Added a static air > pressure port to the carburetor bore just behind the air filter attachment > ring. Since I am running low hp, I want to test to see which air filter > provides the lowest air pressure drop when the engine is at speed. Loss of > air pressure at the point of the carburetor is due to the air accelerating > through the propeller. This may not be much of a problem with a larger > engine, but with a smaller engine it is important to recover as much of the > pressure as possible. > > With the FireFly tied to the pickup, I will test the round cylindrical foam > air filter that came with the engine, and the K&N under three conditions. > Since I have encased the filter in a scoop, I will run it with the scoop > opening plane parallel to the air flow followed by rotating the scoop 90 > degrees into the air flow while on the ground. Then I will again take data > with the scoop forward while in flight. I expect to pick up several inches > of water increased pressure. > > In an attempt to counter the ice build up at low engine speeds during high > humidity conditions, I have drilled and tapped a hole to 8-1.25 mm thd in > the boss on the bottom of the carburetor next to the mounting flange. I > will be inserting a 20 watt heater that I obtained from KTMtwins.com. > > Should get the carburetor back on tomorrow or the next day. > > To be sure the engine is pointing in the right direction at cruise, I > designed a little adjustable level that is attached to the left longeron, > just back of the throttle. It will let me discover when I am in level > flight by being able to center the bubble. Then once on the ground the tail > of the FireFly can be elevated so that bubble can be returned to level > flight position. Then with a digital level, the aoa and the propeller > vertical plane of rotation can be measured. If the latter is off, one can > washer the mounts until the propeller in dead on. If you would like to see > the device, it can be found at: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly163.html > > Still lots to do. When I get time, I will put up the new carburetor and > belt reducer mods. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I had one in a Vector with a 377 Rotax running fine the clutch assembly failed internal Totaled plane in the woods 2nd one Throttle cable snaped on 447 Rotax running fine in a firestar on take off in a short strip Got it down but damaged one gear leg 3nd one 582 rotax running fine also in a Mk3 Classic the propeller failed in flight again in the woods and total ed airplane Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: russ kinne Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:24 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out BB o, I've got plenty of gas. Roommates sometimes have said too much. uss K aw haw haw On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, robert bean wrote: forgot to gas up? heh heh heh BB On 8, Aug 2011, at 5:24 PM, russ kinne wrote: > > I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one ycoming. Both in Cessna 170. > Russ K > > On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > >> >> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What ind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just rying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress From: "Richard Pike" Jack, since I do not know the exact arrangement of your ram induction air into the filter, maybe I am off the mark, but it occurs to me that when you ram air into a carb with a float bowl, it changes the air pressure of the float level and fuel level within the float bowl, have you taken into account that the ram effect can alter the float bowl pressure affecting the fuel level/induction into the manifold? Just asking - probably you have. Thanks for your studious and precise experiments. Richard Pike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348978#348978 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:50 PM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 Page 94 of the Poly Fiber manual Rev 21 says: "If you can live with a silver or blue plane, skip the three cross-coats of PolySpray and use three coats of 220M Nevada Silver, 222M Rancho Silver or 318M Piper Trainer Blue top coat paint. These three colors have the same a luminum pigment as PolySpray and will give your ultralight fabric full UV p rotection." - What is not clear to me is whether they need to be cross-coats (six total), or finish coats (three total)? I would give the distributor a call; they s hould be happy to help. Let us know what they say. - I imagine a max of three cross-coats of anything-UV is quite enough. And si nce you would apply only three, make it three of your finish color, and don 't apply any PolySpray at all. Are you weighing your plane before and after painting? It would be interest ing to know the weight of the paint. In fact, I plan to weigh all throughou t the construction of my plane (when I finally get it) so I'll know weights of just about everything. Phil H. --- On Mon, 8/8/11, Bob Green wrote: From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray an d the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week.- Anyone else use this silver? The number of UV cross coats can be less, right?- I think I will use two cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone. Any thoughts anyone? So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA.- Looki ng forward to Naugua Fly-in. Bob G. Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive. le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb From: "thumbs" I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb? I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my FirestarII. Thanks for the help Gary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348985#348985 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:44 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb - Gary- Travis Brown's personal e-mail is tb40ford@roadrunner.com I think you used the old contact info, which I don't have handy.- Travis can give you the info. --- On Mon, 8/8/11, thumbs wrote: From: thumbs Subject: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight.- I have tried both customer support and travis's email.- All the emails I have tried come back not deliverable.- How do you get emails to Kolb? I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my FirestarII. Thanks for the help Gary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348985#348985 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ordering parts from Kolb From: "thumbs" Ok thanks. I probably am using old info. Anyway the email you gave me is different. I'll give it a try. thanks Gary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348991#348991 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:36 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like Aircraft Spruce. -Dana At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote: > >I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their >sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the >emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb? > >I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for >my FirestarII. -- Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:46 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out At 08:36 AM 8/8/11 -0700, you wrote: > >Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. > ?, One Rotax 447 engine seizure on wide open climb out, due to carbon build up below the rings even though I was using a super oil. Turned 180 and made it back to with in 100 yards of the airport in a bean field. Had at least two carburetor ice induced power losses. One while flying at altitude at very low power in humid conditions. Limped five miles back to the airport in a low power glide. Ice thawed out at lower altitude and I was able to make a normal landing. The second time was on take off from a wet grass strip after a prolonged warm up in a long take off queue. Lost full power at about 200 feet. Dropped the nose and kicked it around hard and landed down wind on the strip. (1) Vibration damper ring on the Victor 1+ mount failed and dropped the ring off the flywheel and it wedged between the flywheel and flywheel cover. I was flying the FireFly from southeast Missouri to Winchester, Indiana. Fortunately it happened on engine start up at Executive Airport north of Indianapolis. Removed damper ring, replaced flywheel cover, and continued running the engine without it. (2) Lost power after take off from Winchester, Indiana when the throttle cable became disconnected. Engine dropped to idle. Landed in a corn field behind a house next to a main road. Bent my first landing gear leg. Removed the wings, placed them on my pickup and took them back to the hangar. Tied the tail wheel up in the back of the pickup and towed the FireFly back. (3) While trying to land at Marion, Indiana fly in, I could not merge with traffic. Crossed back over the runway and made a right hand pattern to land on the taxiway. First attempt failed when a Varieze failed to pass by the first ramp and taxied slowly. I could not get down behind him. Initiated a go around at partial throttle. On the second attempt engine quit due to ice. Bent right landing gear leg. Restarted engine taxied on up parked and enjoyed the fly in. Later flew it back to Winchester with no problems. (4) While a mile inside Ohio at 3,000 feet, the Victor 1+ ate a piston ring. A pin in the piston ring that prevents the ring from rotating came out first and then the ring rotated until a free end started to fall into the port. Finally it snagged and it pulled and chopped the ring in to bits and hammered the bits into little round balls that I found in the exhaust port. Glide to two miles back into Indiana and then turned back to the east to land in a bean field close to a farm building site. Repeated the same site to hangar process as before. With both engines used Bing float carburetors and, I had multiple other landings with dead engine after reducing the throttle on final approach. All of them, I believe, were caused by ice. About a week ago, I had the MZ 34 with a pumper Tillotson carburetor quit on taxi in due to ice. If you are going to fly with a two cycle engine, you must always assume that the engine is going to quit upon landing. None of these engines are supplied with carburetor heat or cockpit mixture controls. The ATV and motorcycle engine manufacturers have recognized the problem and some have made provisions for the addition of electrical heaters to prevent ice build up around the low speed fuel flow orifices. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "dalewhelan" 2 on final Loose intake manifold Lean needle setting 1 on take off Main jet loose (Result of talking while working) 1 on cross country Old fuel line broke -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348995#348995 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:48 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out i have had eight total forced landings =0A1st cyuna 430 quick 1993 poorly a justed throttle cable- 2ed hirth 2706 cgs hawk factory plane spit a spark plug 3rd a year later burned up a piston in same plane at sun fun 4th a ye ar later- the fly whell broke-off-a new-hirth 270 something-on th e army hawk at sun fun. while training a pilot to fly the rear seat of a ho rnet his hirth chewed up a belt we landed after noting hi temps on take off but did not hurt the motor .-a couple years later i ran out of gass beco use i lost track of time chassing hot air baloons at a- remax festival. -then some-12 -years later just last month i burned up a rod in a 19 year 582 and landed nicely in a been field, -thats only one rotax engine failure in over 700 hrs-the other forced landing was due to weather in a quick-total damage to aircraft do to forced landings--- less than$1 00 cost to repair motor,s in the thousands,- -=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Br ubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sa ilmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A=0AFrom: Ozarkfly er =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, Augus t 8, 2011 11:36 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Engine out=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mess age posted by: "Ozarkflyer" =0A=0AJust curious....how m any of you have suffered an engine-out failure?- What kind of aircraft an d engine?- Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 ==================== ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out From: Richard Girard Four total, first one was a Zenoah G25 in a Kasperwing 180B. Engine spit out the plug in the second spark plug hole. Even though I was right over the runway at about 30 feet, I couldn't find it. Screwed a spark plug into the hole and continued flying. Second, fuel valve vibrated closed, same aircraft. Landed in a muddy field just west of Arlington. Dragged the airplane over to a muddy road, used a shoe lace to tie the valve open. Had to do a foot launch take off until the plane picked me up (call it a waddling launch) to keep the wheels from sticking in the mud. Third, Kolb Mk IIIC with 582. Primer pump valve failed just after take off. Landed, non event. Fourth, Bad day at Black Rock. Rick Girard On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: > i have had eight total forced landings > 1st cyuna 430 quick 1993 poorly ajusted throttle cable 2ed hirth 2706 cgs > hawk factory plane spit a spark plug 3rd a year later burned up a piston in > same plane at sun fun 4th a year later the fly whell broke off a new hirth > 270 something on the army hawk at sun fun. while training a pilot to fly the > rear seat of a hornet his hirth chewed up a belt we landed after noting hi > temps on take off but did not hurt the motor . a couple years later i ran > out of gass becouse i lost track of time chassing hot air baloons at a > remax festival. then some 12 years later just last month i burned up a rod > in a 19 year 582 and landed nicely in a been field, thats only one rotax > engine failure in over 700 hrs the other forced landing was due to weather > in a quick total damage to aircraft do to forced landings less than$100 > cost to repair motor,s in the thousands, > > Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker > Michigan Sport Pilot Repair > LSRM-A, PPC, WS > Great Sails - Sailmaker > for Ultralight & Light Sport > (989)513-3022 > *From:* Ozarkflyer > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2011 11:36 AM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Engine out > > > Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What > kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was > just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 > > > **http://w====================== > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "Richard Pike" May 30, 1980, Easy Riser, Mac 101, motor mounts bolts failed, made it to the home strip before the engine fell off. (!) August 30, 1980, Easy Riser, Mac 101, exhaust bolts failed, landed in a peanut field, no damage, trailered home. (That sucker had some SERIOUS vibration problems) Nov 6, 1984, Maxair Hummer, Rotax 277, lead balls formed on spark plug, landed in a cow pasture w/o incident, replaced the plug & flew it home 1985, Maxair Hummer, Rotax 277, installed dual ignition, coil failed, ignition problems, landed at a driving range, repaired it, flew it home March 20, 1994, Maxair Hummer, Rotax 277, recoil starter spring failed, pull cable came loose and destroyed the fan blade, engine continued running, flew to nearest airport. Next day removed the fan and shroud and flew it home with free air, ran fine October 25, 1996, Kolb MKIII, Rotax 532, fuel pickup in the tank failed, landed w/o incident in a pasture field, fixed it flew it home Jan 2002, Kolb MKIII, 532, spun the rotary valve gear on the crank, rotary valve went out of time, partial power, landed w/o incident at the strip I took off from. Borrowed another 532 and flew it home a week later July 15, 2003, Kolb MKIII, Rotax 582, oil line to injection pump got blocked, seized, landed w/o incident at R/C plane strip, trailered home July 5, 2007, Kolb MKIII, 582, main jet backed out, landed in a pasture w/o incident, replaced jet, flew it out. Fly it like you'll need to land it within the next 90 seconds and you'll never have any problems you can't handle. Duane Cole made a video extolling that exact same philosophy. If it worked for Duane, it's good enough for me. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. 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