---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/09/11: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:36 AM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Kolb Aircraft) 2. 06:47 AM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Kolb Aircraft) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (thumbs) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: Engine out (David Kulp) 5. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Kolb Aircraft) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Pat Ladd) 7. 09:31 AM - Re: Engine out (Dennis Thate) 8. 09:40 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/08/11 (Bob Green) 9. 09:58 AM - Re: Engine out (SS568) 10. 10:09 AM - Re: Engine out (Richard Pike) 11. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (russ kinne) 12. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Phil) 13. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Rick Neilsen) 14. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Rick Neilsen) 15. 03:04 PM - Building scale (Phil) 16. 03:19 PM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (frank goodnight) 17. 03:26 PM - Re: Building scale (russ kinne) 18. 04:18 PM - Re: Building scale (Phil) 19. 04:18 PM - condensation on carb (tkben002) 20. 04:53 PM - video (Larry Cottrell) 21. 04:58 PM - Re: condensation on carb (Thom Riddle) 22. 04:58 PM - Re: condensation on carb (tkben002) 23. 05:00 PM - Re: condensation on carb (Thom Riddle) 24. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: condensation on carb (Thom Riddle) 25. 05:51 PM - Re: condensation on carb (tkben002) 26. 06:10 PM - Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. (joepilot503) 27. 07:24 PM - The other one (Larry Cottrell) 28. 07:59 PM - Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Dennis Thate) 29. 08:01 PM - Re: The other one (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 30. 08:36 PM - Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Richard Pike) 31. 08:39 PM - Re: condensation on carb (Richard Pike) 32. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Bob) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:59 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb Right on Bottom lift Strut AN 395-17 Top lift Strut AN 395-29 wing AN 395-41 Aileron AN 394-29 Lower Tail AN3-13 Wing Nut AN350-1032 Travis Kolb CO. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Hague To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like Aircraft Spruce. -Dana At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote: I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb? I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my FirestarII. -- Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:11 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb I forgot the safty pins. AN 416-1 but you can order from Spruce or any catalog which offers AN Hardware. The only other thing is the AN 416-1 safety pin they sell is stainless steel and I still have some regular steel plated ones. Kind Regards Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Hague To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like Aircraft Spruce. -Dana At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote: I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb? I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my FirestarII. -- Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ordering parts from Kolb From: "thumbs" That was fast, after I got the right email. Thanks Travis. And thanks for the list replys. Ok I'll ask the dumb question. What is the difference between the steel and stainless safety pins. Is one better than the other? Obviously the stainless will not rust. Is one more preferred than the other? thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349018#349018 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:25 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out I've had two. First was in my tricycle Chicken Hawk w/277 Rotax when the wings folded at about 1200' AGL (sans 'chute) and one of the struts that went from the trailing edge of the wings to the tail section tore free went thru the prop. The engine out was the least of my problems that afternoon. Second was when the 430 Cuyuna in my UltraStar shut off. Got to the athletic fields of a middle school OK, but didn't realize the track was built out level with a very steep grade prior. Got too low attempting to roll it out before hitting the side of the bleachers, and crunched the top of the grade bending up the cage and buckling the boom tube. Very little air time and no dead stick landing practice back then. Dave Kulp Bethlehem PA FireFly 11DMK ** # *INDEX* *Back to Main INDEX* # *PREVIOUS* *Skip to PREVIOUS Message* # *NEXT* *Skip to NEXT Message* # *LIST* *Reply to LIST Regarding this Message* # *SENDER* *Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message* *Time: * */08:39:02 AM PST US/* *Subject: * /*_Engine out_*/ *From: * */"Ozarkflyer" >/* Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922 ** ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:57 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ordering parts from Kolb Not sure about the difference. I was told once the plated steel ones were stronger but I don't know myself. I do know the steel plated safety pins holds their shape better than the Stainless Steel ones. This would be a decision of the owner. Travis Kolb CO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "thumbs" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ordering parts from Kolb > > That was fast, after I got the right email. Thanks Travis. And thanks > for the list replys. > > Ok I'll ask the dumb question. What is the difference between the steel > and stainless safety pins. Is one better than the other? Obviously the > stainless will not rust. Is one more preferred than the other? > > thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349018#349018 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:58 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out <> Richard, thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the wrong list Pat. Pat ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "Dennis Thate" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > > Richard, > > thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the > wrong list > > Pat. > > Pat I second that ! Please grow -up ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political organization. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349038#349038 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:43 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/08/11 Thank you gang (Rick & Phil) for replying to my inquiry concerning the poli -spray and Nevada Silver. Jim and Dondi of Aircraft technical Support, Inc had already answered my qu estion about the UV poli-spray coats. You are right, the Nevada Silver has the aluminum flakes (UV) in it too so less cross coats are in order. I as sembled my MKIIIX before starting the fabric but did not weigh it. I will not be able to weigh it again until after painting and assembly. I am very impressed with the product and service (Poly-fiber process) provided by th e Miller's. I appreciate the quick response from you all. Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced a n engine failure. Good to have a list of guys to help with building and flying Kolb aircraft. What a great shot of John's plane... so far from LA. I'll be happy to ge t to phase 1 AW certificate Bob G MKIIIX, GPAS VW redrive N830PB ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "SS568" This has been a very interesting thread. However it was previously posted and I quote The 6 Key Reasons for Rotax 503 Sudden Engine Stoppage: 1. Fuel Filter Clogged 2. Alcohol in Gasoline 3. Old Fuel 4. Inadvertent Mixture Leaning at Idle 5. Engine Warm Up and Shock Cooling 6. Air Filter Clogged I believe all poster made no mention of the above causes. Although several made mention of mixture screws moving?? Puzzled? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349040#349040 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: "Richard Pike" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > Richard, > > thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the > wrong list > Pat. > Pat Pat, you had nothing to say when Mic put his atheism in his signature. Looks to me like your bias is evident. Meanwhile, thanks you Dennis Thate for changing your signature to something non-offensive. And Pat - since the Word of God offends you, I will delete it from my signature. Unless - there are more postings by people with something in their signature that ridicules believers, in which case I will once again start adding Scripture to my signature. If you think that people of faith are supposed to sit meekly by while being gratuitously insulted, you are living in a dream world. Police the scoffers first rather than the believers, get the ones who started it to knock it off, and then you won't have any thing to complain about. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349042#349042 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: russ kinne AMEN! On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > > pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: >> >> >> Richard, >> >> thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the >> wrong list >> >> Pat. >> >> Pat > > > I second that ! Please grow -up ! > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political organization. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349038#349038 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:40 AM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out I saw this the first time and added the list to my future checklist/inspect ion instructions. A big thanks! - Phil H. --- On Tue, 8/9/11, SS568 wrote: From: SS568 Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out This has been a very interesting thread.---However it was previously posted and I quote The 6 Key Reasons for Rotax 503 Sudden Engine Stoppage: 1. Fuel Filter Clogged 2. Alcohol in Gasoline 3. Old Fuel 4. Inadvertent Mixture Leaning at Idle 5. Engine Warm Up and Shock Cooling 6. Air Filter Clogged I believe all poster made no mention of the above causes. Although several made mention of mixture screws moving?? Puzzled? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349040#349040 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: Rick Neilsen > > I have had four forced landings. Three in a Weedhopper. One was prop bolts > that got loose from temp/humidity changes. That Chotia 460 ran real smooth > with no prop. One was in my Kolb with a old version of Valley redrive. The redrive mount cracked causing the belts to fall off. 800 miles to Oshkosh and back and I got to about 8 miles from my home strip when it let go. They told me it wasn't designed for anything but a wood prop. The new version is three times stronger were I cracked it. The landing was uneventful in a bean field. The landing roll was only about two feet after the tail snagged a row of beans. I had over revved the engine before landing but nothing else was damaged. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out From: Rick Neilsen That should have read they told me "up front" that it wasn't designed for anything but a wood prop. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > I have had four forced landings. Three in a Weedhopper. One was prop bolts >> that got loose from temp/humidity changes. That Chotia 460 ran real smooth >> with no prop. > > > One was in my Kolb with a old version of Valley redrive. The redrive mount > cracked causing the belts to fall off. 800 miles to Oshkosh and back and I > got to about 8 miles from my home strip when it let go. They told me it > wasn't designed for anything but a wood prop. The new version is three > times stronger were I cracked it. The landing was uneventful in a bean > field. The landing roll was only about two feet after the tail snagged a row > of beans. I had over revved the engine before landing but nothing else was > damaged. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:56 PM PST US From: Phil Subject: Kolb-List: Building scale I bought three of these - goes to 40Kg - dirt cheap and accurate: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180679350359 It takes 2-3 weeks (Hong Kong). I hooked all three together in series with my bench vise and compared the readings. I decided to stop at 50lbs; they all read within a couple of ounces of each other. If they really go to 88lbs, well, that's awesome for a $4 investment. I figure these will help me weigh the various pieces of my plane during construction, even the engine (hang the engine in two places with a scale on each hook, then combine the readings). Phil H. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:20 PM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb You can always reach TravIs @ 606-862-9692 or Bryan-@ 606-682-3388.=0A- Frank Goodnight=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dana Ha gue =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, Augu st 8, 2011 8:00:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb=0A =0AIt's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like =0AAircraft Spruce.=0A=0A-Dana=0A=0AAt 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote:=0A >I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight. - I have =0A>tried both customer support and travis's email.- All the e mails I have tried =0A>come back not deliverable.- How do you get emails to Kolb?=0A>=0A>I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins an d keepers for my =0A>FirestarII.=0A=0A--=0ACause of crash: Inadvertent cont =================== =0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:18 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building scale Phil Impressive! - but I hope you put on a safety strap, lest this $4 scale comes apart when the engine is on it -- Russ K On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Phil wrote: > I bought three of these - goes to 40Kg - dirt cheap and accurate: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180679350359 > > It takes 2-3 weeks (Hong Kong). I hooked all three together in series with my bench vise and compared the readings. I decided to stop at 50lbs; they all read within a couple of ounces of each other. If they really go to 88lbs, well, that's awesome for a $4 investment. > > I figure these will help me weigh the various pieces of my plane during construction, even the engine (hang the engine in two places with a scale on each hook, then combine the readings). > > Phil H. > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:04 PM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building scale That black strap on top of the scale, amazingly, supported 50lbs in my simple test; I have no doubt it could support 88lbs. And yes, weighing an engine would involve hanging the scales on some kind of yoke above the engine (that's resting comfortably on the floor) and lowering it down to the engine to hook it up, and then slowly pulling up on the scales, not lifting the engine and hanging it on the scales. --- On Tue, 8/9/11, russ kinne wrote: From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building scale Phil Impressive! - but I hope you put on a safety strap, lest this $4 scale comes apart when the engine is on it -- Russ K On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Phil wrote: I bought three of these - goes to 40Kg - dirt cheap and accurate: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180679350359 It takes 2-3 weeks (Hong Kong). I hooked all three together in series with my bench vise and compared the readings. I decided to stop at 50lbs; they all read within a couple of ounces of each other. If they really go to 88lbs, well, that's awesome for a $4 investment. I figure these will help me weigh the various pieces of my plane during construction, even the engine (hang the engine in two places with a scale on each hook, then combine the readings). Phil H. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: condensation on carb From: "tkben002" I have almost 5 hours on my new to me Kolbra and enjoying every minute of it, however I am starting to come into some questions I am hoping someone here will be able to help me out with. First, I will try to attach a picture but not sure if it will come thru or not, but after flying over the weekend I noticed condensation on the carb. At first I thought it was a gas leak but it did not taste or smell like gas. It was almost 100 degrees outside with a relative humidity around 60%. Is this normal? Have you ever noticed this before on yours with these conditions? If so, makes me wary of flying in the winter due to carb ice. Second, I have and EIS and jabiru 2200. The last time I flew there was a 70 degree difference the in the CHT's ( 245 to 250 on one to 300 to 320 on the other) Any ideas on where to check (all cables and connections are tight). Third, Initially the RPMS have been pretty consitant but the last time I flew they fluctuated quite a bit and never really settled down, fluctuations were usually from 200 to 500 rpms. Lastly, performance, I have a 2200 and a warp drive ground adjustable 58" prop ( i do not know what it is set at but will check shortly) I am only getting about 650 fpm climb solo. I am getting 2860 to 2940 climb/WOT. I think I should take out some pitch but not sure how much to take out, any recommendations? Thanks in advance Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349062#349062 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20110807_090822_139.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:07 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: video http://vimeo.com/27508065 I received my class 10 video card yesterday, so a flight was in order to check it out. I find that I didn't have enough foam padding, to be able to screw it down tight enough that it didn't move, and keep the harmonic wave out of it. After landing and checking it out, I redid the foam and took another short flight. It appeared to be better. I will make a longer test tomorrow. In the meantime here is a video of the results of the lightning that we have been having. Larry No signature line needed, mine is long enough! Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: condensation on carb From: "Thom Riddle" Travis, The condensation on the carb is probably due the cold carb body (fuel evaporation inside throat) and the relatively high moisture content in the hotter outside air condensing on the colder surface. Just like on the outside of your iced tea glass on a hot day. Does not mean you are having carb ice. Assuming your engine is running properly and making power as it should, it appears that you do need to reduce the pitch in your prop. At Vy and WOT you should be seeing 3,000 rpm. The climb rate should improve somewhat with higher rpm during climb. With over pitched prop on a 100 degree day you can't expect a very high rate of climb with a direct drive engine. How much does your Kolbra weigh empty and how much during your typical solo flight? Where are you located? My rpms are steady (EIS). You should call Jabiru about this. They have been helpful every time I've called. All my CHTs are usually within 25-30 degrees of each other but it sometimes takes some careful modifications of baffles in the air scoops to get this. Ask Jabiru about this too. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349065#349065 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: condensation on carb From: "tkben002" I just went and checked the prop pitch. It appears to be between 13 and 13.5 degrees at the tip. (if I did it right). Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349066#349066 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: condensation on carb From: "Thom Riddle" Trvis, forgot to mention that it would be helpful if you would reduce the size of your photo attachments a bit before posting. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349067#349067 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:06 PM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: condensation on carb Travis, It is important to get both blades pitched as close to the same as possible. 1/2 degree difference is not as close as they should be to minimize vibrations. Thom On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:01 PM, "tkben002" wrote: > > I just went and checked the prop pitch. It appears to be between 13 and 13.5 degrees at the tip. (if I did it right). > > Travis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349066#349066 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: condensation on carb From: "tkben002" the kolbra empty is 580, and with me in it I am anywhere from 830 to 870 depending on how much gas I have at the time. The Cht probes are on cylinders 1 and 2 and I assumed those are the hottest cylinders (which are yours on), the cht's on the previous flight were pretty close to the same and the rpms were normal, just the last time everything fluctuated quite a bit. I figured there was something loose (wire, etc) but I have been unable to find it. I have been taking my time trying to go over everything with the plane since it is new to me, and trying to fine tune it the best I can. Thanks, Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349072#349072 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. From: "joepilot503" I'm from Story Wyoming and flying a original firestar, I seen the topic on the hanger space and I know the address you posted. I've known Wilson Kessler since 1977. My dad Larry Stenger sold his 1939 J-3 cub to him in 1980. Does anyone know how Mr Kessler is doing these days ? Does he still have the cub ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349074#349074 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:57 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: The other one http://vimeo.com/27511382 Here is the other part of my flight this morning. It will still have the harmonics in it. I will make another tomorrow morning when I go to check for cows for the neighbor. She lost about 30 of them, well misplaced might be a better word. I am hoping that a thicker pad will cure the problem, if not I may have to go back to the nose for a mount. I really like it where it is as I can turn it on and off while flying. The blue thingy is the sun reflecting on the lens. I can try a shade, but sun is like the wind, one way it is a pain, the other it is nice. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! From: "Dennis Thate" http://youtu.be/8QjZY3WiO9s Think Engine Out on Climb Out -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political organization. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349081#349081 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:47 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The other one Larry, I'm glad that you explained what the blue thingy was. Looked like a jelly fish we have at the Jersey shore, Atlantic Ocean. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive In a message dated 8/9/2011 10:25:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lcottrell1020@gmail.com writes: The blue thingy is the sun reflecting on the lens. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! From: "Richard Pike" I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who carry are not good at forced landings? ?? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349083#349083 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: condensation on carb From: "Richard Pike" It is impossible to figure out what you are trying to show. Use picture resizer to get the picture to a manageable size. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349085#349085 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:05 PM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! I believe his point was currency to completion....My biannual check rides just verify that I lower the nose and point to a field...checks in sailplane are for straight ahead for tow break until 200 feet. I think the the thread has been essentially that many of us succeed in step one of the emergency response but aren't really ready for the rest of the sequence. Here in Arizona the brainiacks in the legislature eliminated any requirement for training for concealed carry...meaning we have lots of guns..like 2 per capita...every where you go but most carriers being clueless in a difficult situation....like Gifford in Tucson. Thats why cops have that pesky constant recurrent training/practice.... and aviators particularly of the 2 cycle variety probably should also....not for the gun... but the engine out... Bob -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who carry are not good at forced landings? ?? 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