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Wed 08/10/11


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:37 AM - Re: Engine out (David Lucas)
     2. 03:52 AM - Re: condensation on carb (Thom Riddle)
     3. 04:39 AM - Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Pat Ladd)
     4. 05:32 AM - Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Dennis Thate)
     5. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (robert bean)
     6. 06:16 AM - Re: Engine out (Pat Ladd)
     7. 07:50 AM - Re: Engine out (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
     8. 07:56 AM - Re: Engine out (Ozarkflyer)
     9. 08:01 AM - Streamlined Fairings (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
    10. 08:06 AM - Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. (David Kulp)
    11. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Robert Laird)
    12. 08:32 AM - Re: Streamlined Fairings (Richard Pike)
    13. 09:52 AM - Re: Streamlined Fairings (Kolb Aircraft)
    14. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress (Jack B. Hart)
    15. 01:44 PM - Washing the Kolb is fun (Richard Pike)
    16. 02:06 PM - Re: Washing the Kolb is fun (Beauford)
    17. 02:59 PM - Re: Washing the Kolb is fun (Richard Pike)
    18. 05:56 PM - Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. (joepilot503)
    19. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Engine out (Ron @ KFHU)
    20. 08:52 PM - Re: Streamlined Fairings (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:37:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine out
    From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com>
    > Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced an engine failure. "Good Grief Charlie Brown" you added something 'religious' into your post ! ! ! Guy's n Gal's What's the big deal ? Can you really expect people to eliminate part of there life's experiences when posting ? It would have to be a ban on all post script notes and not just related to one particular subject (which you might call 'religion' but I call 'relationship'). And I for one, enjoy these little post scripts, reflective of all aspects of life. Regardless of who they come from. I agree with some, I disagree with others, but I enjoy them all. Some time back I even wrote a small note off list to a Kolb List member with thanks for adding them. It adds to my day. Puts a smile on my face. You don't have to read them if you don't want to. Come on now. Lets have a bit of tolerance on this. David. Do not achieve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349095#349095


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    Time: 03:52:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: condensation on carb
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Travis, I have CHT sensors on cylinders 1,2 & 3. A single EGT on cylinder #4. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349096#349096


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    Time: 04:39:31 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it !
    << Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political organization.>> Dennis, come on now. You just made that up. Pat


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    Time: 05:32:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it !
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    My Point ! The psychological component of extreme stress and the control/lack of control continuum seems to be of little training importance in Sport Aviation ... yet it is the area where it should be emphasized the most, due to our high engine failure rate. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political organization. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349103#349103


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    Time: 05:42:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it !
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Some people are just naturally better at emergency response than others. -and they can be excellent pilots, that is when everything is going along nicely. I know one who froze up in a first flight, new experimental and got broken up pretty bad. FAA yanked his ticket (to his friends' relief) Aging is another problem. Mental processes can deteriorate and it will be up to you to decide whether you should still be sitting in a driver's seat. BB don't carry anything, no watch, cell phone, jewelry, shootin' arn...... well maybe a credit card On 10, Aug 2011, at 12:12 AM, Bob wrote: > > I believe his point was currency to completion....My biannual check rides just verify that I lower the nose and point to a field...checks in sailplane are for straight ahead for tow break until 200 feet. I think the the thread has been essentially that many of us succeed in step one of the emergency response but aren't really ready for the rest of the sequence. Here in Arizona the brainiacks in the legislature eliminated any requirement for training for concealed carry...meaning we have lots of guns..like 2 per capita...every where you go but most carriers being clueless in a difficult situation....like Gifford in Tucson. Thats why cops have that pesky constant recurrent training/practice.... and aviators particularly of the 2 cycle variety probably should also....not for the gun... but the engine out... > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:33 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! > > > I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who carry are not good at forced landings? > ?? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349083#349083 > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:16:34 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine out
    when the wings folded at about 1200' AGL >> Dave, I am sure that there are many on the list who would like to hear that story. Congratulations on still being here. Pat


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    Time: 07:50:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine out
    From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    "Ozarkflyer" asked: << how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? >> Kolb Friends - I've had a Lycoming O-290 fail on my twice, resulting in off-airport landings in a TriPacer I used to own in the 1990's. One was due to vapor lock while climbing over a mountain range in Arizona, heavily loaded on a hot (104 degrees F) June day. (Many GA purists argue that vapor lock was not possible, but the temps in the engine compartment were extreme that day, and the TriPacer has no fuel pump - only gravity feed. But I'm sticking to my vapor lock theory.) Had to land in a mountain pasture. Second occasion was a failed magneto on the same airplane, about a year later. Partial power, not enough to maintain level flight for return to the airport. Landed in a plowed field. It was after those two occasions that I realized that this 1953 airplane, even with its compulsory annual inspections, was still a 40-year-old machine (in the 1990s) and things could break or go wrong anytime. That's when I decided to sell the old girl and build my own airplane (my Mark-3) that would have ALL NEW hardware, especially the engine. Glad I made the switch. My 912-powered Kolb has never (knock on wood) left me stranded due to an engine mechanical failure. A couple of years ago, I had a throttle cable break on my Kolb. The soldered cable ferrule pulled out. (Story is in the archives - afterward, I employed Richard Pike's solution of fraying the cable strands and soldering in a blob of solder, which will never let loose again!) But this was not really an "engine failure." Fortunately, the 912 goes to full throttle with a broken throttle cable, so it was a non-event to fly back to the airport, shut down the engine on downwind, and complete a dead-stick landing. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul Sandia Park, NM do not archive


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    Time: 07:56:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine out
    From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan@hotmail.com>
    Thanks for all of the great input and personal experiences. I'm just trying to find out things others have experienced and hoping to have enough sense to check for those obvious things that could cause a problem. Even the not-so-obvious things. My experience has been limited to C-150/52, C-172 and C-182 so you can see my curiosity regarding other types of ac and engines. I have no experience with tail-draggers or stick controls but hopefully that issue will be resolved within the next couple of months. The value of practicing engine out procedures seems to be in-valuable but my experience is that it is never practiced during a BFR. Even through 3 CFI's who have given me the BFR, so I just do it on my own. I too would like to hear about the "wings folding at 1200'. Larry Ragan Mountain View, AR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349112#349112


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    Time: 08:01:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Streamlined Fairings
    From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    Kolbers - As I was cleaning out my hangar recently, I came across two pieces of the white plastic streamlined fairings that Travis provides in our Kolb kits to cover the wing struts. These are left over from when I ordered extra to cover my landing gear struts. I don't need them, and I was going to discard them. They're not long enough to cover a Kolb wing strut, but then I realized that someone on this List might be able to use them to cover a pair of landing gear legs. One is about five feet long, the other is about 3 feet long. If I recall, stock Kolb gear legs are about 18 inches long. If anyone is interested, please let me know. Free. You pay shipping. Dennis Kirby Sandia Park, NM do not archive


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    Time: 08:06:59 AM PST US
    From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net>
    Subject: Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa.
    ** Joepilot, Wilson "Butch" Kessler is doing well. He sold 50 some acres of his property, which is the airstrip, and kept the section down the hill which is his home. He and his wife are raising their pre-teen granddaughter. A neighbor bought the strip, so it's still in operation. He's contemplating a complete restoration on the Cub. He has an early '40s Stearman Bipe which he spent hundreds of thousands to have restored to like new condition. He wanted to go flying it around wherever in retirement, but that hasn't happened, possibly due to raising the child, so the Stearman is on the block and gorgeous!!! If I had a few hundred thou to spare I'd sell my FF (Kolb related) and buy it... He recently bought a brand new black Harley and seems to be enjoying retirement and less obligation maintaining the airstrip. I do more tall grass t/os and landings now, since Butch kept it like a putting green and the current owner has a full time excavating business. Not a problem, just an observation. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK PS: Another AMEN! *Time: * */06:10:48 PM PST US/* *Subject: * /*_Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa._*/ *From: * */"joepilot503" <joepilot503@hotmail.com <mailto:joepilot503@hotmail.com>>/* I'm from Story Wyoming and flying a original firestar, I seen the topic on the hanger space and I know the address you posted. I've known Wilson Kessler since 1977. My dad Larry Stenger sold his 1939 J-3 cub to him in 1980. Does anyone know how Mr Kessler is doing these days ? Does he still have the cub ? **


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    Time: 08:08:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine out
    From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
    David: "Amen!" or "Right on!" (depending on your point of view) Most religions implore tolerance... most philosophies, too. And the one Great Rule (the Golden Rule) is all about tolerance. In my humble opinion, anyone that isn't tolerant of others beliefs is a fanatic, and we all know what fanatics are capable of doing. Just put a nice long dashed line at the top of your signature (which implies the end of the message, what follows isn't part of the message) and say whatever you like. Everyone else can see the dashed line and decide whether they will read your signature or not. If I had a signature, I'm sure I'd use the Marx Brothers which, I'm sure, would match most of the absurdities of the world. So, let's move on and get back to Kolb topics, please. Thank you! -- Robert Do achieve, but do not archive. ;-) On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:34 AM, David Lucas <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced > an engine failure. > > > "Good Grief Charlie Brown" you added something 'religious' into your post ! > ! ! > > Guy's n Gal's What's the big deal ? Can you really expect people to > eliminate part of there life's experiences when posting ? It would have to > be a ban on all post script notes and not just related to one particular > subject (which you might call 'religion' but I call 'relationship'). And I > for one, enjoy these little post scripts, reflective of all aspects of life. > Regardless of who they come from. I agree with some, I disagree with others, > but I enjoy them all. Some time back I even wrote a small note off list to a > Kolb List member with thanks for adding them. It adds to my day. Puts a > smile on my face. You don't have to read them if you don't want to. > > Come on now. Lets have a bit of tolerance on this. > > David. > > Do not achieve. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349095#349095 > >


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    Time: 08:32:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Streamlined Fairings
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    I'll take them. Let me know how much, email me at richard@bcchapel.org Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349120#349120


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    Time: 09:52:44 AM PST US
    From: "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
    Subject: Re: Streamlined Fairings
    Oh man you mean you want pay the shipping ? Travis Kolb CO. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Streamlined Fairings Kolbers - As I was cleaning out my hangar recently, I came across two pieces of the white plastic streamlined fairings that Travis provides in our Kolb kits to cover the wing struts. These are left over from when I ordered extra to cover my landing gear struts. I don't need them, and I was going to discard them. They're not long enough to cover a Kolb wing strut, but then I realized that someone on this List might be able to use them to cover a pair of landing gear legs. One is about five feet long, the other is about 3 feet long. If I recall, stock Kolb gear legs are about 18 inches long. If anyone is interested, please let me know. Free. You pay shipping. Dennis Kirby Sandia Park, NM do not archive


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    Time: 11:24:48 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress
    At 03:55 PM 8/8/11 -0700, you wrote: > >Jack, since I do not know the exact arrangement of your ram induction air into the filter, maybe I am off the mark, but it occurs to me that when you ram air into a carb with a float bowl, it changes the air pressure of the float level and fuel level within the float bowl, have you taken into account that the ram effect can alter the float bowl pressure affecting the fuel level/induction into the manifold? > Richard, You are correct. All one has to do is put a static tap into the ram filter housing and then connect the float vent to it and both the carburetor throat and the volume above the float chamber run at the same pressure at all engine speeds. This is why I used a dynamic pressure tap to control air/fuel mixture in the Bing on the Victor 1+. What you do is set the Bing for the richest normal setting. Then you bleed off air using a negative dynamic pressure air that is supplied from the carburetor throat to reduce the pressure over the float bowl to lean the mixture out. How this is done can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly146.html Then later on, I added a positive pressure dynamic tap to the carburetor throat and instead of venting to the static air, I vented to this new tap. This ensures that one can drive the pressure above the float bowl positive. One can see the pressure recover found for the Victor 1+ at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly147.html All of these pressure readings were taken from above the wing. With the MZ 34 running inverted, the carburetor is much lower and I may be able to modify the scoop to include a 90 degree elbow to capture higher pressure ram air from below the wing. The scoop mounting can be seen in the second and third photos of: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly158.html At this time I am using mechanical method to enable me to adjust the Tillotson low and high speed jets from the cockpit while on the ground. But I have placed plus and minus and static taps in the carburetor for the purpose of adjusting the air/fuel mixture while in the air. The Tillotson carburetor will react to positive pressure air under the control diaphragm as does the Bing with positive pressure over the float bowl. If you would like to check it out, it can be seen here: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html The pressure controlled air/mixture control will not be mounted until I get a few more hours on the MZ 34. I am very excited about this method as it weigh almost nothing, and there is only one mechanical thing, which is, a tiny mixing valve. I had very good luck with it on the Victor 1+, in that, I could run constant and stable EGT numbers and I did not have to guess what the fuel burn rate was going to be today or over any time of day. Once this system is installed the mechanical needle controls will be removed. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 01:44:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Washing the Kolb is fun
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Washing the airplane is a lot more fun when you have a 6 year old helper who says that washing the airplane is fun. So I guess it really is fun. Who knew? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349150#349150 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hose_190.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/side_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws_427.jpg


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    Time: 02:06:11 PM PST US
    From: "Beauford " <beauford173@verizon.net>
    Subject: Washing the Kolb is fun
    ... Tennessee has laws against exploiting innocent children, Pike.... First the Kolb... then your laundry....then painting the parsonage... sigh... Beauford FF-076 Do Not Archive If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I promise to do the same for you... Thanks... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Washing the Kolb is fun Washing the airplane is a lot more fun when you have a 6 year old helper who says that washing the airplane is fun. So I guess it really is fun. Who knew? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349150#349150 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hose_190.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/side_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws_427.jpg


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    Time: 02:59:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Washing the Kolb is fun
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Um - ... the laundry is what she is using to wash the windshield... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349155#349155


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    Time: 05:56:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa.
    From: "joepilot503" <joepilot503@hotmail.com>
    Dave, Good to hear things are Ok, the strip is still active and he still has the cub. Thanks for the update. Brian Stenger Story, Wyoming Firestar (Original) W/503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349159#349159


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    Time: 08:13:49 PM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine out
    My suggestion in any situation where the airplane is still flyable is to fly the airplane. Or another way of saying it if you lost a motor you have to land it where you can in whatever glide radius from where you are when you discover you can no longer maintain altitude. Once you are in that mode you sorta do all the proper normal things that you have to do in the time that you have. It is actually not bad, because any decision you make is the last decision you have to make on that item so as things progress you really have less and less to deal with till you get to just the process of landing at the spot you already picked out before. Having done a few of those emergency landings I can safely say that I can't really remember doing much more than estimating my approach to the landing spot and the speed I need, so not to be too fast or slow, I guess playing around in the pattern by idling the motor at any point relative to the strip and trying to make a landing is a good practice and also fun. Back in the 82nd the Jump Masters used to always say "keep a sharp lookout during decent" they didn't want us walking on each other's canopy, but the same thing can be applied to anything we do in the airplane. Ron @ KFHU ============== ---- Ozarkflyer <lragan@hotmail.com> wrote: ============ Thanks for all of the great input and personal experiences. I'm just trying to find out things others have experienced and hoping to have enough sense to check for those obvious things that could cause a problem. Even the not-so-obvious things. My experience has been limited to C-150/52, C-172 and C-182 so you can see my curiosity regarding other types of ac and engines. I have no experience with tail-draggers or stick controls but hopefully that issue will be resolved within the next couple of months. The value of practicing engine out procedures seems to be in-valuable but my experience is that it is never practiced during a BFR. Even through 3 CFI's who have given me the BFR, so I just do it on my own. I too would like to hear about the "wings folding at 1200'. Larry Ragan Mountain View, AR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349112#349112 -- kugelair.com


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    Time: 08:52:46 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Streamlined Fairings
    Is that an inside joke?? Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive In a message dated 8/10/2011 12:52:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com writes: Oh man you mean you want pay the shipping ? Travis Kolb CO.




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