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1. 01:37 AM - Re: Engine out (David Lucas)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: condensation on carb (Thom Riddle)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Pat Ladd)
4. 05:32 AM - Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (Dennis Thate)
5. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! (robert bean)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Engine out (Pat Ladd)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Engine out (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
8. 07:56 AM - Re: Engine out (Ozarkflyer)
9. 08:01 AM - Streamlined Fairings (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
10. 08:06 AM - Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. (David Kulp)
11. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Robert Laird)
12. 08:32 AM - Re: Streamlined Fairings (Richard Pike)
13. 09:52 AM - Re: Streamlined Fairings (Kolb Aircraft)
14. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress (Jack B. Hart)
15. 01:44 PM - Washing the Kolb is fun (Richard Pike)
16. 02:06 PM - Re: Washing the Kolb is fun (Beauford)
17. 02:59 PM - Re: Washing the Kolb is fun (Richard Pike)
18. 05:56 PM - Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. (joepilot503)
19. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Engine out (Ron @ KFHU)
20. 08:52 PM - Re: Streamlined Fairings (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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> Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced an
engine failure.
"Good Grief Charlie Brown" you added something 'religious' into your post ! ! !
Guy's n Gal's What's the big deal ? Can you really expect people to eliminate part
of there life's experiences when posting ? It would have to be a ban on all
post script notes and not just related to one particular subject (which you
might call 'religion' but I call 'relationship'). And I for one, enjoy these little
post scripts, reflective of all aspects of life. Regardless of who they
come from. I agree with some, I disagree with others, but I enjoy them all. Some
time back I even wrote a small note off list to a Kolb List member with thanks
for adding them. It adds to my day. Puts a smile on my face. You don't have
to read them if you don't want to.
Come on now. Lets have a bit of tolerance on this.
David.
Do not achieve.
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Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
Travis,
I have CHT sensors on cylinders 1,2 & 3. A single EGT on cylinder #4.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
<< Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious
and non-political organization.>>
Dennis,
come on now. You just made that up.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
My Point !
The psychological component of extreme stress and the control/lack of control continuum
seems to be of little training importance in Sport Aviation ... yet it
is the area where it should be emphasized the most, due to our high engine failure
rate.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
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Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
Some people are just naturally better at emergency response than others. -and they
can be excellent pilots, that is when
everything is going along nicely. I know one who froze up in a first flight, new
experimental and got broken up pretty bad.
FAA yanked his ticket (to his friends' relief)
Aging is another problem. Mental processes can deteriorate and it will be up to
you to decide whether you should still be
sitting in a driver's seat.
BB
don't carry anything, no watch, cell phone, jewelry, shootin' arn......
well maybe a credit card
On 10, Aug 2011, at 12:12 AM, Bob wrote:
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> I believe his point was currency to completion....My biannual check rides just
verify that I lower the nose and point to a field...checks in sailplane are
for straight ahead for tow break until 200 feet. I think the the thread has
been essentially that many of us succeed in step one of the emergency response
but aren't really ready for the rest of the sequence. Here in Arizona the brainiacks
in the legislature eliminated any requirement for training for concealed
carry...meaning we have lots of guns..like 2 per capita...every where you
go but most carriers being clueless in a difficult situation....like Gifford in
Tucson. Thats why cops have that pesky constant recurrent training/practice....
and aviators particularly of the 2 cycle variety probably should also....not
for the gun... but the engine out...
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> Bob
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:33 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it !
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> I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who carry
are not good at forced landings?
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> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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when the wings folded at about 1200' AGL >>
Dave,
I am sure that there are many on the list who would like to hear that
story.
Congratulations on still being here.
Pat
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"Ozarkflyer" asked: << how many of you have suffered an engine-out
failure? >>
Kolb Friends -
I've had a Lycoming O-290 fail on my twice, resulting in off-airport
landings in a TriPacer I used to own in the 1990's. One was due to
vapor lock while climbing over a mountain range in Arizona, heavily
loaded on a hot (104 degrees F) June day. (Many GA purists argue that
vapor lock was not possible, but the temps in the engine compartment
were extreme that day, and the TriPacer has no fuel pump - only gravity
feed. But I'm sticking to my vapor lock theory.) Had to land in a
mountain pasture. Second occasion was a failed magneto on the same
airplane, about a year later. Partial power, not enough to maintain
level flight for return to the airport. Landed in a plowed field.
It was after those two occasions that I realized that this 1953
airplane, even with its compulsory annual inspections, was still a
40-year-old machine (in the 1990s) and things could break or go wrong
anytime. That's when I decided to sell the old girl and build my own
airplane (my Mark-3) that would have ALL NEW hardware, especially the
engine. Glad I made the switch. My 912-powered Kolb has never (knock
on wood) left me stranded due to an engine mechanical failure.
A couple of years ago, I had a throttle cable break on my Kolb. The
soldered cable ferrule pulled out. (Story is in the archives -
afterward, I employed Richard Pike's solution of fraying the cable
strands and soldering in a blob of solder, which will never let loose
again!) But this was not really an "engine failure." Fortunately, the
912 goes to full throttle with a broken throttle cable, so it was a
non-event to fly back to the airport, shut down the engine on downwind,
and complete a dead-stick landing.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul
Sandia Park, NM
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Thanks for all of the great input and personal experiences. I'm just trying to
find out things others have experienced and hoping to have enough sense to check
for those obvious things that could cause a problem. Even the not-so-obvious
things. My experience has been limited to C-150/52, C-172 and C-182 so you
can see my curiosity regarding other types of ac and engines. I have no experience
with tail-draggers or stick controls but hopefully that issue will be
resolved within the next couple of months.
The value of practicing engine out procedures seems to be in-valuable but my experience
is that it is never practiced during a BFR. Even through 3 CFI's who
have given me the BFR, so I just do it on my own.
I too would like to hear about the "wings folding at 1200'.
Larry Ragan
Mountain View, AR
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Subject: | Streamlined Fairings |
Kolbers -
As I was cleaning out my hangar recently, I came across two pieces of
the white plastic streamlined fairings that Travis provides in our Kolb
kits to cover the wing struts. These are left over from when I ordered
extra to cover my landing gear struts. I don't need them, and I was
going to discard them.
They're not long enough to cover a Kolb wing strut, but then I realized
that someone on this List might be able to use them to cover a pair of
landing gear legs. One is about five feet long, the other is about 3
feet long. If I recall, stock Kolb gear legs are about 18 inches long.
If anyone is interested, please let me know. Free. You pay shipping.
Dennis Kirby
Sandia Park, NM
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
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Joepilot,
Wilson "Butch" Kessler is doing well. He sold 50 some acres of his property,
which is the airstrip, and kept the section down the hill which is his home.
He and his wife are raising their pre-teen granddaughter. A neighbor bought
the strip, so it's still in operation.
He's contemplating a complete restoration on the Cub. He has an early '40s Stearman
Bipe which he spent hundreds of thousands to have restored to like new condition.
He wanted to go flying it around wherever in retirement, but that hasn't happened,
possibly due to raising the child, so the Stearman is on the block and gorgeous!!!
If I had a few hundred thou to spare I'd sell my FF (Kolb related) and buy it...
He recently bought a brand new black Harley and seems to be enjoying retirement
and
less obligation maintaining the airstrip. I do more tall grass t/os and landings
now,
since Butch kept it like a putting green and the current owner has a full time
excavating
business. Not a problem, just an observation.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
PS: Another AMEN!
*Time: * */06:10:48 PM PST US/*
*Subject: * /*_Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton
Pa._*/
*From: * */"joepilot503" <joepilot503@hotmail.com
<mailto:joepilot503@hotmail.com>>/*
I'm from Story Wyoming and flying a original firestar, I seen the topic
on the
hanger space and I know the address you posted. I've known Wilson Kessler
since
1977. My dad Larry Stenger sold his 1939 J-3 cub to him in 1980. Does anyone
know how Mr Kessler is doing these days ? Does he still have the cub ?
**
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David: "Amen!" or "Right on!" (depending on your point of view)
Most religions implore tolerance... most philosophies, too. And the one
Great Rule (the Golden Rule) is all about tolerance. In my humble opinion,
anyone that isn't tolerant of others beliefs is a fanatic, and we all know
what fanatics are capable of doing.
Just put a nice long dashed line at the top of your signature (which implies
the end of the message, what follows isn't part of the message) and say
whatever you like. Everyone else can see the dashed line and decide whether
they will read your signature or not. If I had a signature, I'm sure I'd
use the Marx Brothers which, I'm sure, would match most of the absurdities
of the world.
So, let's move on and get back to Kolb topics, please.
Thank you!
-- Robert
Do achieve, but do not archive. ;-)
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:34 AM, David Lucas <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced
> an engine failure.
>
>
> "Good Grief Charlie Brown" you added something 'religious' into your post !
> ! !
>
> Guy's n Gal's What's the big deal ? Can you really expect people to
> eliminate part of there life's experiences when posting ? It would have to
> be a ban on all post script notes and not just related to one particular
> subject (which you might call 'religion' but I call 'relationship'). And I
> for one, enjoy these little post scripts, reflective of all aspects of life.
> Regardless of who they come from. I agree with some, I disagree with others,
> but I enjoy them all. Some time back I even wrote a small note off list to a
> Kolb List member with thanks for adding them. It adds to my day. Puts a
> smile on my face. You don't have to read them if you don't want to.
>
> Come on now. Lets have a bit of tolerance on this.
>
> David.
>
> Do not achieve.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349095#349095
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Subject: | Re: Streamlined Fairings |
I'll take them. Let me know how much, email me at richard@bcchapel.org
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Streamlined Fairings |
Oh man you mean you want pay the shipping ?
Travis
Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Streamlined Fairings
Kolbers -
As I was cleaning out my hangar recently, I came across two pieces of
the white plastic streamlined fairings that Travis provides in our Kolb
kits to cover the wing struts. These are left over from when I ordered
extra to cover my landing gear struts. I don't need them, and I was
going to discard them.
They're not long enough to cover a Kolb wing strut, but then I
realized that someone on this List might be able to use them to cover a
pair of landing gear legs. One is about five feet long, the other is
about 3 feet long. If I recall, stock Kolb gear legs are about 18
inches long.
If anyone is interested, please let me know. Free. You pay shipping.
Dennis Kirby
Sandia Park, NM
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Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress |
At 03:55 PM 8/8/11 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Jack, since I do not know the exact arrangement of your ram induction air
into the filter, maybe I am off the mark, but it occurs to me that when you
ram air into a carb with a float bowl, it changes the air pressure of the
float level and fuel level within the float bowl, have you taken into
account that the ram effect can alter the float bowl pressure affecting the
fuel level/induction into the manifold?
>
Richard,
You are correct. All one has to do is put a static tap into the ram filter
housing and then connect the float vent to it and both the carburetor throat
and the volume above the float chamber run at the same pressure at all
engine speeds.
This is why I used a dynamic pressure tap to control air/fuel mixture in the
Bing on the Victor 1+. What you do is set the Bing for the richest normal
setting. Then you bleed off air using a negative dynamic pressure air that
is supplied from the carburetor throat to reduce the pressure over the float
bowl to lean the mixture out. How this is done can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly146.html
Then later on, I added a positive pressure dynamic tap to the carburetor
throat and instead of venting to the static air, I vented to this new tap.
This ensures that one can drive the pressure above the float bowl positive.
One can see the pressure recover found for the Victor 1+ at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly147.html
All of these pressure readings were taken from above the wing. With the MZ
34 running inverted, the carburetor is much lower and I may be able to
modify the scoop to include a 90 degree elbow to capture higher pressure ram
air from below the wing. The scoop mounting can be seen in the second and
third photos of:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly158.html
At this time I am using mechanical method to enable me to adjust the
Tillotson low and high speed jets from the cockpit while on the ground. But
I have placed plus and minus and static taps in the carburetor for the
purpose of adjusting the air/fuel mixture while in the air. The Tillotson
carburetor will react to positive pressure air under the control diaphragm
as does the Bing with positive pressure over the float bowl. If you would
like to check it out, it can be seen here:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
The pressure controlled air/mixture control will not be mounted until I get
a few more hours on the MZ 34. I am very excited about this method as it
weigh almost nothing, and there is only one mechanical thing, which is, a
tiny mixing valve. I had very good luck with it on the Victor 1+, in that,
I could run constant and stable EGT numbers and I did not have to guess what
the fuel burn rate was going to be today or over any time of day. Once this
system is installed the mechanical needle controls will be removed.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Washing the Kolb is fun |
Washing the airplane is a lot more fun when you have a 6 year old helper who says
that washing the airplane is fun. So I guess it really is fun. Who knew?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Washing the Kolb is fun |
... Tennessee has laws against exploiting innocent children, Pike....
First the Kolb... then your laundry....then painting the parsonage...
sigh...
Beauford
FF-076
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If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I
promise to do the same for you...
Thanks...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Washing the Kolb is fun
Washing the airplane is a lot more fun when you have a 6 year old helper who
says that washing the airplane is fun. So I guess it really is fun. Who
knew?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Washing the Kolb is fun |
Um - ... the laundry is what she is using to wash the windshield...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
Dave,
Good to hear things are Ok, the strip is still active and he still has the cub.
Thanks for the update.
Brian Stenger
Story, Wyoming
Firestar (Original) W/503
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
My suggestion in any situation where the airplane is still flyable is to fly the
airplane. Or another way of saying it if you lost a motor you have to land it
where you can in whatever glide radius from where you are when you discover
you can no longer maintain altitude. Once you are in that mode you sorta do all
the proper normal things that you have to do in the time that you have. It is
actually not bad, because any decision you make is the last decision you have
to make on that item so as things progress you really have less and less to
deal with till you get to just the process of landing at the spot you already
picked out before.
Having done a few of those emergency landings I can safely say that I can't really
remember doing much more than estimating my approach to the landing spot and
the speed I need, so not to be too fast or slow, I guess playing around in
the pattern by idling the motor at any point relative to the strip and trying
to make a landing is a good practice and also fun.
Back in the 82nd the Jump Masters used to always say "keep a sharp lookout during
decent" they didn't want us walking on each other's canopy, but the same thing
can be applied to anything we do in the airplane.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Ozarkflyer <lragan@hotmail.com> wrote:
============
Thanks for all of the great input and personal experiences. I'm just trying to
find out things others have experienced and hoping to have enough sense to check
for those obvious things that could cause a problem. Even the not-so-obvious
things. My experience has been limited to C-150/52, C-172 and C-182 so you
can see my curiosity regarding other types of ac and engines. I have no experience
with tail-draggers or stick controls but hopefully that issue will be
resolved within the next couple of months.
The value of practicing engine out procedures seems to be in-valuable but my experience
is that it is never practiced during a BFR. Even through 3 CFI's who
have given me the BFR, so I just do it on my own.
I too would like to hear about the "wings folding at 1200'.
Larry Ragan
Mountain View, AR
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kugelair.com
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Subject: | Re: Streamlined Fairings |
Is that an inside joke??
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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In a message dated 8/10/2011 12:52:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com writes:
Oh man you mean you want pay the shipping ?
Travis
Kolb CO.
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