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1. 01:02 AM - Re: Re: Engine out ()
2. 09:15 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 (Bob Green)
3. 10:26 AM - Mach 20 (Dennis Thate)
4. 11:00 AM - Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (Beauford)
5. 11:46 AM - Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (Thom Riddle)
6. 11:48 AM - Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (Phil)
7. 01:10 PM - Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (Richard Pike)
8. 02:14 PM - Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (Richard Girard)
9. 03:57 PM - Re: Engine out (David Kulp)
10. 04:02 PM - Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (jerb)
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That works for me. At the end of the day we are all here because we enrichen
our lives { and hopefully those that are close to us }by flying our Kolb's
and other brands of flying machines. I for one like the personal exchanges
and as long as I am free to agree or disagree as I see fit ,then I sleep
happy. There is a great bunch of people on this list , we can all learn from
each other . We do not necessarily have to agree with each other on all
subjects. Would become a really boring site if we did. Fair winds and safe
flying to all.
This part of the world is coming into spring so things are lookin good .
Hope to get out and do a bit more flying as the weather improves .
Downunder
KolbMK111
503
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Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 |
Thanks Dennis for offering the fairings. Richard will put them to good use.
Richard, it is good to see the Kolb getting a cleaning. Having seen it last month
I would say it will probably be 10 lbs lighter. Good way to get a child interested
in becoming a pilot some day. As a child or teenager many of us would
have jumped at the opportunity to wash any airplane... just to be around one.
Wing struts make fairly decent clothes lines for drying the laundry. LOLs.
Never have had to make an emergency landing but have always flown with aircraft
equipped with 4 stroke engines. It seems back when I first started flying (Aeronca
Champ) the instructor would cut the engine off for me to practice a "dead
stick" landing. Never have liked that expression or "dead-reckoning" either.
Seems the FAA has discouraged that engine out practice. I look forward to
flying my Kolb and know from what you fellows on the list have said, I need to
prepare for the difference in the engine out inertia or lack thereof.
Thanks you all. Lord willing and the creek, or lake in my case, doesn't rise I
will be applying the final coats of UV and color to all my fabric covered parts
this Friday and Saturday. Then I can move the whole project to the Collegedale
airport to my T hangar, and at long last (8 years) start putting it together.
Bob G.
N830PB
MKIIIX GPAS VW 2180 with re-drive
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http://news.yahoo.com/us-hypersonic-glider-launched-145048349.html
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Subject: | Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
Have dragged the infernal machine home to the house to give it a good
cleanup and pull the annual.
Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further into geezerhood in the ten
years since building this thing, he has
inexorably fallen into the pit of personal excess. Stogies, Beefeaters and
Colonel Sanders have
had their way with him.
The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale, flaccid belly units more than
that mythical 170 pound "typical"
skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about. The Fly senses this somehow. and
over the last six years I have worked my way from one
elevator tab with a faint hint of downward twist, to two tabs bent severely
enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
elevator while taxiing. Unsatisfactory.
I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting brackets from Travis and am
about to lower the leading edge of the
stab.. It occurred to me that other people on the List must have played
with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these machines are to stab
adjustments. I keep thinking about the stab
trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been humiliated by over the
years.they had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
I was thinking about an inch for openers. I tentatively plan to drill two
sets of holes in the bracket. one set at an inch and the
other at about an inch and three-quarters.
Anyone out there have any advice to offer.? besides laying off the
stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is.
Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
I wish I could help with your question, Beauford, but lack of specific knowledge
keeps me quiet in that regard, but no so on the term "pale".
I've nailed a pale back onto a fence, I've said things that some consider beyond
the pale, I've drunk my fair share of pale ale, and I've carried milk from
the barn to the house in a pail, but have no idea how much a pale weighs in terms
that might be useful for guessing your actual attraction to the earth's center.
Can you shed some light on this term? Is it kin to a stone?
Thom, also heavy in the middle.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
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Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
This gentleperson went the other way, but interesting information nonethele
ss. And I love pictures:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIIelevatorbracket.html
A new poll would be fun. Well... maybe not "fun"...
Geezerhood: entering now
Height: 6' 7"
Weight: 235
Stogies: Yup
KFC: chicken livers, especially!
Krispee Kreme, TastyKakes and Little Debbies: got me there, too
Phil H.
--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Beauford <beauford173@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Beauford <beauford173@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
=C2-
Have dragged the infernal machine home to the house to give it a good clean
up and pull the annual.
=C2-
Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further into geezerhood in the ten
years since building this thing, he has
inexorably fallen into the pit of personal excess Stogies, Beefeat
ers and Colonel Sanders have
had their way with him
=C2-
The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale, flaccid belly units more than
that mythical 170 pound =9Ctypical=9D
skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about.=C2- The Fly senses this someho
w and over the last six years I have worked my way from one
elevator tab with a faint hint of downward twist, to two tabs bent severely
enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
elevator while taxiing=C2- Unsatisfactory.
=C2-
I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting brackets from Travis and am a
bout to lower the leading edge of the
stab.=C2- It occurred to me that other people on the List must h
ave played with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these machines are to stab adjus
tments.=C2- I keep thinking about the stab
trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been humiliated by over the years
they had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
=C2-
I was thinking about an inch for openers I tentatively plan to dri
ll two sets of holes in the bracket one set at an inch and the
other at about an inch and three-quarters
=C2-
Anyone out there have any advice to offer?=C2-=C2- besides lay
ing off the stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is
=C2-
Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
=C2-
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
Why not attach a bit of ballast at the aft end of the tail boom? Perhaps a few
fender washers stacked along either side of the tail wheel?
Considering the difference in moment arms, and assuming that the - ahem - flaccid
40 pounds is centered at X distance in front of the CG, it shouldn't take a
great deal of lead, depleted uranium, or similar substance at the Y distance
aft of the CG to make the Fly fly more evenly.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
Not a Fire Fly, but a IIIX with multiple hole brackets, I'd suggest 1/2"
increments.
As something to try before a bracket replacement, use some duct tape to sea
l
the gap between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube. You might find
that removing the interference drag caused by those slots increases the tai
l
effectiveness enough to fix the problem. Cheap and simple and you can alway
s
do the bracket change afterward.
Just a thought.
Rick Girard
If 60 is the beginning of Geezerhood, I'm less than two months away.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This gentleperson went the other way, but interesting information
> nonetheless. And I love pictures:
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIIelevatorbracket.html
>
> A new poll would be fun. Well... maybe not "fun"...
>
> Geezerhood: entering now
> Height: 6' 7"
> Weight: 235
> Stogies: Yup
> KFC: chicken livers, especially!
> Krispee Kreme, TastyKakes and Little Debbies: got me there, too
>
> Phil H.
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/11/11, Beauford <beauford173@verizon.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Beauford <beauford173@verizon.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 1:56 PM
>
>
> Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
>
> Have dragged the infernal machine home to the house to give it a good
> cleanup and pull the annual.
>
>
> Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further into geezerhood in the te
n
> years since building this thing, he has
>
> inexorably fallen into the pit of personal excess=85 Stogies, Beefeaters
and
> Colonel Sanders have
>
> had their way with him=85
>
>
> The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale, flaccid belly units more th
an
> that mythical 170 pound =93typical=94
>
> skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about. The Fly senses this somehow
=85
> and over the last six years I have worked my way from one
>
> elevator tab with a faint hint of downward twist, to two tabs bent severe
ly
> enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
>
> elevator while taxiing=85 Unsatisfactory.
>
>
> I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting brackets from Travis and am
> about to lower the leading edge of the
>
> stab.=85 It occurred to me that other people on the List must have playe
d
> with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
>
> and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these machines are to stab
> adjustments. I keep thinking about the stab
>
> trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been humiliated by over the
> years=85they had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
>
> the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
>
>
> I was thinking about an inch for openers=85 I tentatively plan to drill t
wo
> sets of holes in the bracket=85 one set at an inch and the
>
> other at about an inch and three-quarters=85
>
>
> Anyone out there have any advice to offer=85? besides laying off the
> stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is=85
>
>
> Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
>
>
> Beauford
>
> FF-076
>
> Brandon, FL
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Hey Pat,
Greeting from the west side of the pond. There's an account of the
incident at
www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor@rcn.com.05.07.2007 I posted it
a couple of years ago when there was a thread about off strip landings.
Thanks
for the congrats for still being around. Even now, years later, I still
pause and
take a deep breath in amazement from time to time.
If you go to the pics, in the pic of the "celebrating life picnic" on
the one year
anniversary, my nephew Mike is sitting on the bench with my daughter. I'll
attach a more recent photo of him when he was the foreman of the ironworkers
putting up the Comcast Building in Philly. He's currently working on
Freedom
Tower in NYC.
His father, my beloved bro, tripped on a wash basket in the dark 4
Christmases
ago, went down the stairs and broke his neck on the wall at the bottom.
Kind
of makes you wonder, doesn't it? He was a Mennonite preacher, raised beef,
did period architecture woodwork restoration, etc. and looked like a
taller,
leaner version of Homer. I guess that makes it Kolb related...
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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when the wings folded at about 1200' AGL>>
Dave,
I am sure that there are many on the list who would like to hear that
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Congratulations on still being here.
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Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
Not sure why your having a problem. Our FireFly
flew OK with me 5'7" at close 290#. My partner
5'11" about nearly same weight, maybe a little
less, had no problem. Trying to recall if we had
a trim tab, I think we did, I don't think it was
very big. We also had an approx. 29# VLS chute
mounted between the wings. Sure you have the
gear pointed in the right direction, just a
joke. If I recall our instrument panel was about
12# when I weighed it. Had a full size GA type
Altimeter, small G-gage, Air speed, small elec.
variometer (like used in gliders for vert.
speed), compass, and EIS system. We really
didn't have a problem with it, it handled well on
the ground and handled well in the air. Something doesn't sound right.
Seems to me an inch change of the horizontal stab
incidence would be a dramatic change, I think I
would make the bracket for 1/2" and 1". Try the
half first. Do you have gap seals on flaperons
and are they in correct position when under in flight pressure.
jerryb
At 12:56 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
>Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
>Have dragged the infernal machine home to the
>house to give it a good cleanup and pull the annual.
>
>Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further
>into geezerhood in the ten years since building this thing, he has
>inexorably fallen into the pit of personal
>excess Stogies, Beefeaters and Colonel Sanders have
>had their way with him
>
>The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale,
>flaccid belly units more than that mythical 170 pound typical
>skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about. The
>Fly senses this somehow and over the last six
>years I have worked my way from one
>elevator tab with a faint hint of downward
>twist, to two tabs bent severely enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
>elevator while taxiing Unsatisfactory.
>
>I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting
>brackets from Travis and am about to lower the leading edge of the
>stab. It occurred to me that other people on
>the List must have played with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
>and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these
>machines are to stab adjustments. I keep thinking about the stab
>trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been
>humiliated by over the yearsthey had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
>the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
>
>I was thinking about an inch for openers I
>tentatively plan to drill two sets of holes in
>the bracket one set at an inch and the
>other at about an inch and three-quarters
>
>Anyone out there have any advice to
>offer? besides laying off the stogies,
>Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is
>
>Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
>
>Beauford
>FF-076
>Brandon, FL
>
>
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