---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/12/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:38 AM - Re wing collapse (Pat Ladd) 2. 05:07 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 (Dan Breitigam) 3. 06:38 AM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Kolb Aircraft) 4. 07:31 AM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Michael Welch) 5. 07:46 AM - Re: Ordering parts from Kolb (Kolb Aircraft) 6. 09:35 AM - Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (AtomicDog) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (Dana Hague) 8. 10:24 AM - Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (b young) 9. 10:32 AM - Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (Richard Pike) 10. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (fs2kolb@aol.com) 11. 11:48 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/11/11 (Bob Green) 12. 12:53 PM - Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (Rex Rodebush) 13. 04:00 PM - Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (Richard Pike) 14. 05:04 PM - Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? (Mic) 15. 06:26 PM - Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix (Beauford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:53 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: Re wing collapse David, Wow! You must have lived an exemplary life to get out of that. Congratulations again Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:29 AM PST US From: Dan Breitigam Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 Bob G, I'm happy to hear of your progress on your MkIII, but didn't know you had been working on it for this long! Glad you're about ready to move out here to Collegedale airport, it's lonely having the only Kolb around. In the last few days I've been able to finish my Twinstar project by finally installing the last item required for flight, the prop. It's a GSC 66" two blade. I also recently finished installing my independent disk brakes with both brake levers on the control stick. Now for a lesson or two to learn tail-dragging. Sounds like you had a good ol time at Oshkosh. Jealous, I am. Dan Breitigam Mark II, open, 503 DCDI ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:56 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb Frank Please send us an email to customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com We have several good pictures to send you of our new Fire Star II side by side. I do not have your email address here. Travis Kolb CO. ----- Original Message ----- From: frank goodnight To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb You can always reach TravIs @ 606-862-9692 or Bryan @ 606-682-3388. Frank Goodnight ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Dana Hague To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, August 8, 2011 8:00:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like Aircraft Spruce. -Dana At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote: I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb? I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my FirestarII. -- Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb From: Michael Welch Travis, Why not share all these FireStar II side-by-side photos with all of us on the Kolb list? Everyone here always enjoys seeing Kolbs, especially brand new ones!! Mike Welch N212MN MkIII > Frank > Please send us an email to customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com > We have several good pictures to send you of our new Fire Star II side by side. > I do not have your email address here. > > Travis > Kolb CO. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:07 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb Because the pictures are not on this computer yet. I will post them on the list soon. Brian's wife has them on her computer at home. Travis Kolb CO. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb Travis, Why not share all these FireStar II side-by-side photos with all of us on the Kolb list? Everyone here always enjoys seeing Kolbs, especially brand new ones!! Mike Welch N212MN MkIII Frank Please send us an email to customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com We have several good pictures to send you of our new Fire Star II side by side. I do not have your email address here. Travis Kolb CO. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? From: "AtomicDog" I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a pusher. I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the weight down. -------- Building Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349260#349260 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:16 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? At 12:33 PM 8/12/2011, AtomicDog wrote: > >I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the >options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to >putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic >advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on >a pusher. > >I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the >weight down. A spinner can be as much of an advantage on a pusher as a tractor. There was an article in Ultraflight magazine a year or so ago, a guy put one on his PPC... he reported 5-10% thrust increase, which translates into a similar improvement in rate of climb. -Dana -- Bismark said God looks after fools, drunks, and the United States. He didn't say how long the Almighty's patience might endure. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:39 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a pusher. I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the weight down. -------- Building Firestar II what little i have been schooled that in aerodynamics,,,, at least at the speeds we fly, it doesn't make much difference in how you disturb or open up the air space,,, but it makes more difference in how you close it, example: for total drag reduction, a blunt leading edge and tapered trailing edge, is better or has less drag than a tapered leading edge and a blunt trailing edge. so the spinner would be better on a pusher than a tractor, for total drag reduction,,, now as fer purdy,,, that is a whole different ball of wax. boyd young mkiii utah ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? From: "Richard Pike" Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter. If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it is plastic and easy to do. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349268#349268 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/motorcraft_air_filter_fa1632_111_large_205.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_0880_large_580.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? From: fs2kolb@aol.com Motorcraft Air Filter FA1632 Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter. If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it is plastic and easy to do. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:52 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/11/11 Thanks Dennis for the correction on the spelling of "ded-reckoning". It is the pronunciation that always bothered me. For the 6'7" 200 plus Kolber... I am 6'3' and weigh in at 260. So glad Mr Kolb designed something for us "abnormally tall and heavy" people. Richard P.s MKIII with Rotax two cylinder handled our size and weight fine. Even on a 700 foot strip with power lines on one end... the departure end. The new horizontal brackets should give you the adjustment range you desire and help with the trim. Keep me posted on what you come up with. B Green N830PB, MKIIIX project GPAS VW with re-drive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? From: "Rex Rodebush" When I ordered my Warp Drive prop I asked the guy (don't remember his name) about a spinner and he said it would be for looks only on a pusher. But it seems to me there should be some drag reduction. How much is the question?? Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349279#349279 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? From: "Richard Pike" [quote="fs2kolb(at)aol.com"] > Motorcraft Air Filter FA1632 Hey! I bet that's why that particular picture had the tag it did! (Facepalm) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349289#349289 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? From: "Mic" Good idea Richard. I suspect from previous experience with boat hulls being designed for optimum benefit as the water passes aft of the greatest beam, that aircraft would experience a similar benefit as they move through the air. A quick review of leading and trailing edge wing design would probably show this quite clearly. I like the simple solution of this suggestion as well. After all it's not quite rocket science is it? -------- Mic "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire." W.B. Yeats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349292#349292 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:10 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix Kolbers: Thanks to those who offered input to the Fat Fly driver problem. Your ideas are sincerely appreciated. I had worked through some of your suggestions in the last couple of years. ailerons are gap sealed and reflexed, VG's are on underside of stabs and various amounts of weight have been tried on the tail. I hate to make the little sucker any heavier, since it is already fat enough with Florida paint, BRS5, big wheels, etc.. already glides like a bucket of roofing cement. I had a short conversation with Travis and Brian at the Kolb Works this morning. they recommended working half-inch increments, which seems to track with the opinions of you folks, so that is what I'll try. I suspect Brother Girard's suggestion about gap-sealing the elevators is a good idea as well.will do that too. I have the old brackets off and have prepared the new ones. Tomorrow the paint. The Formidible Mrs. Beauford's rather indelicate suggestions for addressing the heavy Fly driver problem continue to be delivered at regular intervals as she passes by my work site out on the driveway griddle. One would think 46 years of matrimonial bliss would count for something. but on second thought. Thanks again, Gents. Beauford FF-076 Steamy Brandon, FL Do Not Archive If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I promise to do the same for you... Thanks... From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beauford Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:56 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix Kolbers and Kolbettes: Anyone out there have any advice to offer.? besides laying off the stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is. Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated. 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