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1. 05:12 AM - Re: Welding? (Richard Pike)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: Welding? (frank goodnight)
3. 08:54 AM - Re: Welding? (Dennis Thate)
4. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Welding? (robert bean)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: Welding (william sullivan)
6. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Welding (Phil)
7. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Welding (william sullivan)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in (John Hauck)
9. 01:42 PM - I like pictures (tkben002)
10. 01:58 PM - Re: I like pictures (Michael Welch)
11. 02:20 PM - Re: I like pictures (Larry Cottrell)
12. 02:28 PM - Re: I like pictures (Kirkds)
13. 02:30 PM - Re: I like pictures (ces308)
14. 02:30 PM - Re: I like pictures (frank goodnight)
15. 02:35 PM - Re: I like pictures (russ kinne)
16. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (russ kinne)
17. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (Michael Welch)
18. 02:48 PM - Re: I like pictures (Thom Riddle)
19. 02:48 PM - Re: I like pictures (tkben002)
20. 03:03 PM - Re: I like pictures (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
21. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (Michael Welch)
22. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (chris davis)
23. 04:52 PM - Re: I like pictures (robert bean)
24. 06:19 PM - Re: Welding? (Ron @ KFHU)
25. 07:06 PM - Aging out (Dennis Thate)
26. 07:39 PM - Re: Aging out (b d)
27. 08:06 PM - Re: Aging out (Dennis Thate)
28. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Aging out (b d)
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I have always used acetylene/oxygen and been very happy with it. Also, the ability
to heat and bend stuff comes in handy. OTOH, welding aluminum is reeeely tough...
PS: Remember to demagnetize any joints you weld that are anywhere close to your
compass.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Hi,- Been a welder for most of my life(now 70 years old) used all types o
f =0Awelders. =0A=0AI belive that for most homebuilders that do only a smal
l amount of welding . The =0Abest bang for the buck,=0Aand the easiest to l
earn and use is oxy acetelean,welds thin wqll 4130 great. =0A-If you want
to weld alu spend $100.00 for a good set of goggles, and get good =0Aflux-
-hard to find---.If you do those two things alu is easy.=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A
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o.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 13, 2011 9:40:04 P
M=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Welding?=0A=0A=0AIt's time I bought a welder and le
arned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and =0Aother light stock. Could some
of you expert welders out there lend a few =0Asuggestions?=0A=0A1. MIG or T
IG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more =0Aappropriate f
or 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?=0A=0A2. How much should I spend on my fi
rst welder? I see some $110 boxes out there.=0A=0A3. Is a 120v unit suffici
ent?=0A=0A4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!=0A=0APhil H.
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Practice, Practice, Practice on scrap material until you have it down. Before you
weld the real thing. I took a welding course at a local Vo-Tec school and got
a certificate.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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oxy-acetylene is the handiest thing in a workshop after the vise and the big hammer.
stubborn nut? heat.
bend and reshape metal
cut stuff off and burn down the shop
All the old airplanes were gas welded until the very last years of tube and fabric.
Very easy: right size tip for the thickness, neutral flame.
I don't recommend flux core wire feed. Good for welding a floor pan into a VW
bug but not for airplanes.
the flux remains in some pockets and is corrosive
TIG is without question the very best but too expensive for a hobby.
My last refills lasted for years and only ran out after my last little airplane
fix this spring.
My new refills will likely last the rest of my life.
BB
MkIII, suzuki, last flown friday evening
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- Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t
hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n
o gas holes if the welder is paying attention.
- Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir
epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi
ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W
ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w
ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward
around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.-
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Great info guys. Oxy-A looks like a very interesting option. The lowest I'v
e found on the VICTOR Firepower 250 (sans tanks) is $145
http://www.threemulesweld.com/vicfp2550.html
But if I didn't get tanks, where would I get those? They would-probably b
e more expensive buying separately, I'm guessing. Complete totes (with tank
s) look do-able:
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WITH tanks $309-+ $17 s/h
http://www.weldfabulous.com/Torch-Outfits/Portable-Torch/Victor-Equipment/V
ictor-0384-0936-Genuine-Portable-p4543451.html
$311 with free s/h
http://www.toolrage.com/prodview.asp?sku=VCT-0384-0990
These look like good deals?
Phil H.
--- On Sun, 8/14/11, william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> wrote:
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding
- Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t
hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n
o gas holes if the welder is paying attention.
- Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir
epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi
ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W
ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w
ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward
around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.-
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- Phil- Buy the tanks at your local gas supply, or rent them.- A lot of
gas companies won't fill or re-fill tanks they didn't supply.- Liability
reasons, I think.- I have a good relationship with a local supplier, ori
ginally through where I worked.- He's a little more expensive, but the se
rvice is worth it and he is only 5 minutes from here.- I bought them from
him, and just exchange them for a price.- If you use a lot, you might co
nsider a rental.- check with a local dealer.- You will have to replace
small parts now and then- like a tip, or if your grinder goes through a hos
e or something.- Nice to know the guy.-
--- On Sun, 8/14/11, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding
Great info guys. Oxy-A looks like a very interesting option. The lowest I'v
e found on the VICTOR Firepower 250 (sans tanks) is $145
http://www.threemulesweld.com/vicfp2550.html
But if I didn't get tanks, where would I get those? They would-probably b
e more expensive buying separately, I'm guessing. Complete totes (with tank
s) look do-able:
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WITH tanks $309-+ $17 s/h
http://www.weldfabulous.com/Torch-Outfits/Portable-Torch/Victor-Equipment/V
ictor-0384-0936-Genuine-Portable-p4543451.html
$311 with free s/h
http://www.toolrage.com/prodview.asp?sku=VCT-0384-0990
These look like good deals?
Phil H.
--- On Sun, 8/14/11, william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> wrote:
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding
- Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t
hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n
o gas holes if the welder is paying attention.
- Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir
epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi
ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W
ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w
ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward
around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.-
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| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in |
Does anyone know if there will be a Kolb homecoming fly-in this year or if
there are any fly-ins scheduled this fall. I found a mention of the Naugua
Fly-in posted last week but no other info was mentioned.
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Mic
Mic/Gang:
Nauga Flyin is 11-13 Nov at Star Hill, LA. Contact John Bickham for more
info.
Best flyin I know of this side of the Rock House Gang get together near
Burns Junction, OR.
gearbender@bellsouth.net
Sitting out the weekend in Gunnison, CO, waiting on the tire shop to open
tomorrow to fix a flat on the 5th wheel.
john h
mkIII
Gunnison, CO
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I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few
of my newly acquired Kolbra.
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out
who they!
Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?
Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care?
There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,
except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity.
Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure
out who you are.
Mike Welch
MkIII N212MN
On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
LOL, it must be hot down south. :-) You might need to take a break.
LARRY
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures
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Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to
figure out who they!
Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever
you are?
Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not
care?
There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your
email,
except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your
identity.
Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our
job to figure out who you are.
Mike Welch
MkIII N212MN
On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Nice looking Kolbra!
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Nice Kolbra ! Good engine too !!!
Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol
not signing just to piss you off !! lol
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
I'm glad the guy didn,t go for movies, might have driven you off a cliff. s
tay =0Acool, winter will be here soon.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________
__________=0AFrom: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 14, 2011 3:55:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-L
dnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0A=0AWho the hell are you???- Man,- I get tired
of people expecting us to figure out =0Awho they!=0ASignatures, guys!!-
Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?=0A=0AAm I the on
ly one that- this gets to?- Do the rest of you just not care?- =0A=0A
There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,=0Ae
xcept some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity
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ur job to figure =0Aout who you are.=0A=0AMike Welch=0AMkIII- N212MN=0A
=0A=0AOn Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mes
sage posted by: "tkben002" <tkben002@bellsouth.net>=0A> =0A> I like to look
at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few =0A>of my
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Right on. Mike!
Russ Kinne, full name
On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Michael Welch wrote:
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who they!
> Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?
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> There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,
> except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity.
> Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure
out who you are.
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> Mike Welch
> MkIII N212MN
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
CES308 -- I'd be glad to look, but I see nothing "on the left side". Who are YOU?
On Aug 14, 2011, at 5:27 PM, ces308 wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Chris,
hahahahahaha
On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:27 PM, ces308 wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
tkben,
It is indeed a nice looking Kolbra. What prop are you running (maker, dia., pitch)?
Also, how do you pronounce tkben002?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down
and forgot to sign the post, no biggie
Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately,
(there just is not that much on youtube)
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
That is a nice looking machine and a Jabiru to sweet
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: tkben002 <tkben002@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:40 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: I like pictures
I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post
a few
f my newly acquired Kolbra.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414
ttachments:
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Travis,
Pretty airplane, BTW. Thanks.
Mike W
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Travis ,That is the best looking Kolbra Ihave seen ,most of them look kobled together
but yours is nice and smooth! Thanks for the pics chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures
Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down and
forgot to sign the post, no biggie
Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately,
(there just is not that much on youtube)
Travis
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Larry's right, must be hot down there. I'm a little unhappy myself because my
site clearing for a new pole barn has been
interrupted by rain. The guy does have a fine looking kolbra. Maybe he'll start
posting videos for the winter to atone.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
On 14, Aug 2011, at 4:55 PM, Michael Welch wrote:
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> Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out
who they!
> Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?
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> Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure
out who you are.
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> MkIII N212MN
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
I bought a cheap one, and found it to be useless. Buy one that has HF spark starter,
been a while so I forget the terminology. You want the one that will start
the arc without first making contact between the electrode and the work, and
you also want the one that has a foot pedal for current control.
A lot of them are stick welders that have a tig tip supposedly as a dual use. Be
really careful at buying these if they are not designed for tig they are useless.
Ron @ FHU
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---- Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
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It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and other
light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there lend a few suggestions?
1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more appropriate
for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?
2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110 boxes out there.
3. Is a 120v unit sufficient?
4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!
Phil H.
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kugelair.com
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I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual
Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's
is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members
to take over, even in this small University city with a well established
college aviation program.
I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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Just read this post and had a thought for you . . .
I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to
propose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to
help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music,
enjoy their antics, and so on just to be around them. We get small moments
of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I
appreciate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me
to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes, get to know
them, let them get to know you, listen closely to them, try their advice,
participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and they
can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far.
The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution with
the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500
congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them
can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we
ask them to fix what they broke. What did they do? They handed it to twelve
idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 trillion
dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste, fraud and abuse?
They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope
it's scattered in all places, not easy to identify. So what's the solution?
I think it should be divided up by categories and given to our school
children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What
an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing America hands
on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is this and that
for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they will begin to
see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the
way, this project will have so many angles to it, they would be exempt from
school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . .
our business leader, our political leaders and our religious leaders have
all failed this. There is no way 12,000 people can analyze 1 trillion
dollars let alone 12 hard headed, biased, opinionated people who were the
problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done, nothing will be
accomplished except they will line their own pockets and be much more
wealthy. So I say what do we have to lose, let every child, in every grade,
in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left
them. They would still go to school but have a reprieve from normal school
which isn't very good anyway. I know . . . it won't happen . . .we'll keep
doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results.
In your case with EAA and young people, I hope you give it a try and let
them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't
believe me, watch some youtube. They are amazing. I would also go grab some
delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they
might respond . . . .
Good Luck
Bruce
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote:
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> I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the
> annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their
> 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no
> younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well
> established college aviation program.
>
> I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .
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> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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> Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
> Mark Twain
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460
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Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement
"The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible positions
in the air transportation industry, including airline operations and management,
corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft maintenance, air traffic control,
and government operations. The goal of the program is to equip students
with exceptional knowledge and skills in aviation and management in order to
be highly successful in the rapidly changing and competitive field of aviation."
Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No more penny
a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying lessons.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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That does explain the problem doesn't it?
Say does anyone know of a KOLB for sale? Single or dual will work.
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote:
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> Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement
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> "The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible
> positions in the air transportation industry, including airline operations
> and management, corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft
> maintenance, air traffic control, and government operations. The goal of the
> program is to equip students with exceptional knowledge and skills in
> aviation and management in order to be highly successful in the rapidly
> changing and competitive field of aviation."
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> Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No
> more penny a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying
> lessons.
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> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
> Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
> Mark Twain
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349466#349466
>
>
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