---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/14/11: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:12 AM - Re: Welding? (Richard Pike) 2. 05:18 AM - Re: Welding? (frank goodnight) 3. 08:54 AM - Re: Welding? (Dennis Thate) 4. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Welding? (robert bean) 5. 09:34 AM - Re: Welding (william sullivan) 6. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Welding (Phil) 7. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Welding (william sullivan) 8. 11:50 AM - Re: Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in (John Hauck) 9. 01:42 PM - I like pictures (tkben002) 10. 01:58 PM - Re: I like pictures (Michael Welch) 11. 02:20 PM - Re: I like pictures (Larry Cottrell) 12. 02:28 PM - Re: I like pictures (Kirkds) 13. 02:30 PM - Re: I like pictures (ces308) 14. 02:30 PM - Re: I like pictures (frank goodnight) 15. 02:35 PM - Re: I like pictures (russ kinne) 16. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (russ kinne) 17. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (Michael Welch) 18. 02:48 PM - Re: I like pictures (Thom Riddle) 19. 02:48 PM - Re: I like pictures (tkben002) 20. 03:03 PM - Re: I like pictures (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 21. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (Michael Welch) 22. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: I like pictures (chris davis) 23. 04:52 PM - Re: I like pictures (robert bean) 24. 06:19 PM - Re: Welding? (Ron @ KFHU) 25. 07:06 PM - Aging out (Dennis Thate) 26. 07:39 PM - Re: Aging out (b d) 27. 08:06 PM - Re: Aging out (Dennis Thate) 28. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Aging out (b d) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding? From: "Richard Pike" I have always used acetylene/oxygen and been very happy with it. Also, the ability to heat and bend stuff comes in handy. OTOH, welding aluminum is reeeely tough... PS: Remember to demagnetize any joints you weld that are anywhere close to your compass. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349375#349375 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:55 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Welding? Hi,- Been a welder for most of my life(now 70 years old) used all types o f =0Awelders. =0A=0AI belive that for most homebuilders that do only a smal l amount of welding . The =0Abest bang for the buck,=0Aand the easiest to l earn and use is oxy acetelean,welds thin wqll 4130 great. =0A-If you want to weld alu spend $100.00 for a good set of goggles, and get good =0Aflux- -hard to find---.If you do those two things alu is easy.=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A -=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Phil =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 13, 2011 9:40:04 P M=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Welding?=0A=0A=0AIt's time I bought a welder and le arned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and =0Aother light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there lend a few =0Asuggestions?=0A=0A1. MIG or T IG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more =0Aappropriate f or 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?=0A=0A2. How much should I spend on my fi rst welder? I see some $110 boxes out there.=0A=0A3. Is a 120v unit suffici ent?=0A=0A4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!=0A=0APhil H. ============== =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding? From: "Dennis Thate" Practice, Practice, Practice on scrap material until you have it down. Before you weld the real thing. I took a welding course at a local Vo-Tec school and got a certificate. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349384#349384 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding? From: robert bean oxy-acetylene is the handiest thing in a workshop after the vise and the big hammer. stubborn nut? heat. bend and reshape metal cut stuff off and burn down the shop All the old airplanes were gas welded until the very last years of tube and fabric. Very easy: right size tip for the thickness, neutral flame. I don't recommend flux core wire feed. Good for welding a floor pan into a VW bug but not for airplanes. the flux remains in some pockets and is corrosive TIG is without question the very best but too expensive for a hobby. My last refills lasted for years and only ran out after my last little airplane fix this spring. My new refills will likely last the rest of my life. BB MkIII, suzuki, last flown friday evening On 14, Aug 2011, at 11:51 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > Practice, Practice, Practice on scrap material until you have it down. Before you weld the real thing. I took a welding course at a local Vo-Tec school and got a certificate. > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so. > Mark Twain > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349384#349384 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:09 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding - Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n o gas holes if the welder is paying attention. - Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.- - ------------------------- ------------------------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:35 AM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding Great info guys. Oxy-A looks like a very interesting option. The lowest I'v e found on the VICTOR Firepower 250 (sans tanks) is $145 http://www.threemulesweld.com/vicfp2550.html But if I didn't get tanks, where would I get those? They would-probably b e more expensive buying separately, I'm guessing. Complete totes (with tank s) look do-able: - WITH tanks $309-+ $17 s/h http://www.weldfabulous.com/Torch-Outfits/Portable-Torch/Victor-Equipment/V ictor-0384-0936-Genuine-Portable-p4543451.html $311 with free s/h http://www.toolrage.com/prodview.asp?sku=VCT-0384-0990 These look like good deals? Phil H. --- On Sun, 8/14/11, william sullivan wrote: From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding - Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n o gas holes if the welder is paying attention. - Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.- - ------------------------- ------------------------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:29 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding - Phil- Buy the tanks at your local gas supply, or rent them.- A lot of gas companies won't fill or re-fill tanks they didn't supply.- Liability reasons, I think.- I have a good relationship with a local supplier, ori ginally through where I worked.- He's a little more expensive, but the se rvice is worth it and he is only 5 minutes from here.- I bought them from him, and just exchange them for a price.- If you use a lot, you might co nsider a rental.- check with a local dealer.- You will have to replace small parts now and then- like a tip, or if your grinder goes through a hos e or something.- Nice to know the guy.- --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Phil wrote: From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding Great info guys. Oxy-A looks like a very interesting option. The lowest I'v e found on the VICTOR Firepower 250 (sans tanks) is $145 http://www.threemulesweld.com/vicfp2550.html But if I didn't get tanks, where would I get those? They would-probably b e more expensive buying separately, I'm guessing. Complete totes (with tank s) look do-able: - WITH tanks $309-+ $17 s/h http://www.weldfabulous.com/Torch-Outfits/Portable-Torch/Victor-Equipment/V ictor-0384-0936-Genuine-Portable-p4543451.html $311 with free s/h http://www.toolrage.com/prodview.asp?sku=VCT-0384-0990 These look like good deals? Phil H. --- On Sun, 8/14/11, william sullivan wrote: From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding - Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n o gas holes if the welder is paying attention. - Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.- - ------------------------- ------------------------- Bill Sullivan =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in Does anyone know if there will be a Kolb homecoming fly-in this year or if there are any fly-ins scheduled this fall. I found a mention of the Naugua Fly-in posted last week but no other info was mentioned. -------- Mic Mic/Gang: Nauga Flyin is 11-13 Nov at Star Hill, LA. Contact John Bickham for more info. Best flyin I know of this side of the Rock House Gang get together near Burns Junction, OR. gearbender@bellsouth.net Sitting out the weekend in Gunnison, CO, waiting on the tire shop to open tomorrow to fix a flat on the 5th wheel. john h mkIII Gunnison, CO ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: I like pictures From: "tkben002" I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few of my newly acquired Kolbra. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_010r_192.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:25 PM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out who they! Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are? Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care? There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email, except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity. Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure out who you are. Mike Welch MkIII N212MN On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few of my newly acquired Kolbra. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_010r_192.jpg > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:29 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures LOL, it must be hot down south. :-) You might need to take a break. LARRY Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out who they! Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are? Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care? There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email, except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity. Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure out who you are. Mike Welch MkIII N212MN On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few of my newly acquired Kolbra. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_010r_192.jpg > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures From: "Kirkds" Nice looking Kolbra! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349419#349419 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures From: "ces308" Nice Kolbra ! Good engine too !!! Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol not signing just to piss you off !! lol Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349420#349420 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:38 PM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures I'm glad the guy didn,t go for movies, might have driven you off a cliff. s tay =0Acool, winter will be here soon.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________ __________=0AFrom: Michael Welch =0ATo: kolb-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 14, 2011 3:55:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-L dnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0A=0AWho the hell are you???- Man,- I get tired of people expecting us to figure out =0Awho they!=0ASignatures, guys!!- Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?=0A=0AAm I the on ly one that- this gets to?- Do the rest of you just not care?- =0A=0A There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,=0Ae xcept some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity .=0A- - Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages.- - It's not o ur job to figure =0Aout who you are.=0A=0AMike Welch=0AMkIII- N212MN=0A =0A=0AOn Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mes sage posted by: "tkben002" =0A> =0A> I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few =0A>of my newly acquired Kolbra.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here :=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com//fil es/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg=0A> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures From: russ kinne Right on. Mike! Russ Kinne, full name On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Michael Welch wrote: > > Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out who they! > Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are? > > Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care? > > There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email, > except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity. > Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure out who you are. > > Mike Welch > MkIII N212MN > > > On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote: > >> >> I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few of my newly acquired Kolbra. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_010r_192.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures From: russ kinne CES308 -- I'd be glad to look, but I see nothing "on the left side". Who are YOU? On Aug 14, 2011, at 5:27 PM, ces308 wrote: > > Nice Kolbra ! Good engine too !!! > > Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol > > not signing just to piss you off !! lol > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349420#349420 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:08 PM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures Chris, hahahahahaha On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:27 PM, ces308 wrote: > > Nice Kolbra ! Good engine too !!! > > Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol > > not signing just to piss you off !! lol > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349420#349420 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures From: "Thom Riddle" tkben, It is indeed a nice looking Kolbra. What prop are you running (maker, dia., pitch)? Also, how do you pronounce tkben002? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349428#349428 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures From: "tkben002" Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down and forgot to sign the post, no biggie Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately, (there just is not that much on youtube) Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349429#349429 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures From: Ellery Batchelder Jr That is a nice looking machine and a Jabiru to sweet Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: tkben002 Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:40 pm Subject: Kolb-List: I like pictures I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few f my newly acquired Kolbra. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_010r_192.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:30 PM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures Travis, Pretty airplane, BTW. Thanks. Mike W On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:45 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down and forgot to sign the post, no biggie > > Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately, (there just is not that much on youtube) > > Travis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349429#349429 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:02 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures Travis ,That is the best looking Kolbra Ihave seen ,most of them look kobled together but yours is nice and smooth! Thanks for the pics chris Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ----- Original Message ----- From: tkben002 Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 5:45 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down and forgot to sign the post, no biggie Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately, (there just is not that much on youtube) Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349429#349429 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures From: robert bean Larry's right, must be hot down there. I'm a little unhappy myself because my site clearing for a new pole barn has been interrupted by rain. The guy does have a fine looking kolbra. Maybe he'll start posting videos for the winter to atone. BB MkIII, suzuki On 14, Aug 2011, at 4:55 PM, Michael Welch wrote: > > Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out who they! > Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are? > > Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care? > > There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email, > except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity. > Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure out who you are. > > Mike Welch > MkIII N212MN > > > On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote: > >> >> I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few of my newly acquired Kolbra. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_010r_192.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:36 PM PST US From: "Ron @ KFHU" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Welding? I bought a cheap one, and found it to be useless. Buy one that has HF spark starter, been a while so I forget the terminology. You want the one that will start the arc without first making contact between the electrode and the work, and you also want the one that has a foot pedal for current control. A lot of them are stick welders that have a tig tip supposedly as a dual use. Be really careful at buying these if they are not designed for tig they are useless. Ron @ FHU ======= ---- Phil wrote: ============ It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and other light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there lend a few suggestions? 1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more appropriate for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG? 2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110 boxes out there. 3. Is a 120v unit sufficient? 4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated! Phil H. -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Aging out From: "Dennis Thate" I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well established college aviation program. I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away . -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging out From: b d Just read this post and had a thought for you . . . I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to propose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music, enjoy their antics, and so on just to be around them. We get small moments of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I appreciate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes, get to know them, let them get to know you, listen closely to them, try their advice, participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and they can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far. The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution with the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500 congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we ask them to fix what they broke. What did they do? They handed it to twelve idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 trillion dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste, fraud and abuse? They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope it's scattered in all places, not easy to identify. So what's the solution? I think it should be divided up by categories and given to our school children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing America hands on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is this and that for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they will begin to see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the way, this project will have so many angles to it, they would be exempt from school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . . our business leader, our political leaders and our religious leaders have all failed this. There is no way 12,000 people can analyze 1 trillion dollars let alone 12 hard headed, biased, opinionated people who were the problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done, nothing will be accomplished except they will line their own pockets and be much more wealthy. So I say what do we have to lose, let every child, in every grade, in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left them. They would still go to school but have a reprieve from normal school which isn't very good anyway. I know . . . it won't happen . . .we'll keep doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results. In your case with EAA and young people, I hope you give it a try and let them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't believe me, watch some youtube. They are amazing. I would also go grab some delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they might respond . . . . Good Luck Bruce On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the > annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their > 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no > younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well > established college aviation program. > > I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away . > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so. > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging out From: "Dennis Thate" Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement "The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible positions in the air transportation industry, including airline operations and management, corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft maintenance, air traffic control, and government operations. The goal of the program is to equip students with exceptional knowledge and skills in aviation and management in order to be highly successful in the rapidly changing and competitive field of aviation." Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No more penny a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying lessons. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349466#349466 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aging out From: b d That does explain the problem doesn't it? Say does anyone know of a KOLB for sale? Single or dual will work. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement > > > "The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible > positions in the air transportation industry, including airline operations > and management, corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft > maintenance, air traffic control, and government operations. The goal of the > program is to equip students with exceptional knowledge and skills in > aviation and management in order to be highly successful in the rapidly > changing and competitive field of aviation." > > > Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No > more penny a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying > lessons. > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so. > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349466#349466 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.