---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/16/11: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:05 AM - welding (Ted Cowan) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in (John Bickham) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Welding? (racerjerry) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: I like pictures (chris davis) 5. 07:58 AM - Re: Welding? (racerjerry) 6. 07:58 AM - Should you give up flying ? (Dennis Thate) 7. 08:15 AM - Re: Should you give up flying ? (Thom Riddle) 8. 08:17 AM - Re: Should you give up flying ? (Michael Welch) 9. 08:17 AM - Re: Should you give up flying ? (racerjerry) 10. 10:34 AM - Re: Compass mount in your nice Kolbra... (tkben002) 11. 10:38 AM - Re: Should you give up flying ? (Dennis Thate) 12. 11:27 AM - A day of fun, 8.11.11 (David Kulp) 13. 01:23 PM - KOLB Gathering .... (ces308) 14. 04:51 PM - Re: KOLB Gathering .... (russ kinne) 15. 05:04 PM - Re: KOLB Gathering .... (ces308) 16. 05:06 PM - Re: KOLB Gathering .... (Phil) 17. 05:07 PM - Re: KOLB Gathering .... (Dennis Thate) 18. 06:09 PM - Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11 (Dennis Thate) 19. 06:30 PM - Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY... (Rick Neilsen) 20. 07:24 PM - Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY... (ces308) 21. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: KOLB Gathering .... (Arksey@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:15 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: welding been watching from a distance for awhile. many interesting stories about welding. been a welder since I was 13. first burned my hand -- err, built a go kart back then. learned that black metal can still be hot. anyway, never used a tig or mig in my life. got behind something like that once using gas and got sick. something about the argon got to me. can weld inside galvanized or zinc, no problem. I have done many frame repairs and modifications with gas welding. one thing I want to mention to newbees. NEVER use coat hangers or any other such rods for welding unless you WANT it to break. pony up and get the good stuff. for normal frames I would use 3/32. preheat everything you are going to fuse and when done, taping on the weld with a slag hammer or such to expand the welded joint helps shrinkage. when done, use the torch to heat all around the weld good and hot but NOT red and let air cool, no breezes. NEVER use water to cool unless it is absolutely necessary and then you MUST reheat to reset the steel stress. braising is something different. takes lots of practice and is not really very strong and very heavy. aluminum should be done by the pros. you cannot believe how fast it will drop or melt. remember one thing about gas welding, it is more melting the metals together in a strong pattern than anything else. stick welding is different in so much as you are laying a bead and each side of the bead fuses. gas welding is laying a bead but more melting all the surfaces together. watch for a bubble and push the bubble around. I am old now and vision is gone. used to be able to weld a zipper on a crotch without burning the hair! now I am lucky if I dont set myself on fire. lots of different methods but for gosh sake, get a lot of practice BEFORE you weld frame for an airplane. your life or the lifes of others is at stake and if it breaks, well, you know the rest. there are only a few ways to weld and a thousand ways NOT to weld. best is taking a course. and remember, black metal is still hot. ted cowan, slingshot 912ul zoom zoom ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in From: "John Bickham" Hey Mic, Yep, we are having a gathering here the weekend of Nov. 11, 12, 13th. It is pretty much an informal gathering of Kolbs and assorted light planes. Right now committed to attending: 2 Kolbs from Alabama 2 Kolbs from Louisiana 1 Kitfox from Mississippi 1 Kolb from Texas 1 Rans from New Mexico 1 Highlander from Texas Handful of folks driving in or flying commercial from as far away as Oregon!! (I've left the names off on purpose. Not appropriate for me to advertise folks business on internet. Up to them to volunteer.) This gathering was pretty much started by John Williamson and John Hauck. They called me from Sun-n-Fun one year and said "here we come!" We take care of the feeding and watering. We have a FBO/hunting camp to entertain in. November should be a lot more comfortable temp wise. You have the option of tent camping, local hotel, or some folks get adopted for the weekend by local community of Starhill. Nauga Field (LS35) is is a short grass strip. Runway is 1500 feet with trees and powerlines both ends. You have to be short field proficient. False River Airpark (HZR) is located 10 miles west of here for those that want to attend in non-STOL planes/pilots. We can make arrangements to shuttle to/from HZR. A brand new bridge across the Mississippi River makes that a lot easier. Nauga Field is about 22 sm, north of Baton Rouge. The food is typical South Louisiana. Jambalaya, wild hog, etc. Most people enjoy but we can adapt to special diets with some advance notice. I know it is a long way from Oregon. Right now, two other folks from Oregon have committed to attend. One is USAF, stationed in North Louisiana. Oregon will be well represented if you decide to come! I'm reluctant to "toot" my own horn about how much fun we have. It is a simple eat, laugh, and fly gathering. Just about everybody that attends, comes back. Don't know if you bump into Arty Trost up there, but if you do, she can "enlighten" you on what we have to offer here. Let me know if you need more info. There will be more info and updates as we get closer. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349622#349622 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_23_09_flight_3_368.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_line_646.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding? From: "racerjerry" BEST WELDING ADVICE Keep a container of cool water within arms length for the inevitable burns. Skin keeps burning after heat source is removed. Immediate dunking into cool water stops the burn and often leaves only the top surface singed with NO blister and NO pain. Skin needs protection from UV burns, especially with MIG or TIG. Wear a bib to protect your neck area below your helmet or you will live to regret it years down the road. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349623#349623 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:18 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures Hi Richard, maybe I do mean cobbled if that is the correct spelling . Sorry for my mistake ? I guess I just had the K in Kolb stuck in my head=0A=0A =0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash build ing Firefly=0A=0AFrom: Richard Pike =0ATo: kolb-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:26 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List =0A=0A=0Acapedavis(at)yahoo.com wrote:=0A> Kobled in my opinion means like pieces stuck together with no respect for flow , or o dd size pieces stuck ,together , something a child would make with the piec es at hand .when given odd shaped blocks and told to buiild an aiplane just my 2cents Chris=0A>- =0A> Chris Davis=0A> KXP 503 492 hrs=0A> Glider Pil ot=0A> Disabled from crash building Firefly=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0ADo you mean c obbled?=0A=0ARichard Pike=0AMKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0A=0A--------=0ANow fa ith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. =0AHebrews 11:1=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru ============= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding? From: "racerjerry" Stick welding and MIG is relatively easy and you can probably learn on your own trough practice before beginning a serious project. As a matter of fact, you might get much more out of a welding course if you already have experimented with the welding process. Of course, you may have to un-learn some mistakes. Reading helps, especially in diagnosing poor welds; but as they say: practice, practice and practice some more before working on anything important. Stick and MIG is kind of like walking a tightrope and juggling with one hand at the same time. Gas welding adds another dimension. Got to push the bubble around and occasionally feed rod like walking the tightrope and juggling with two hands. TIG welding adds a third dimension (foot pedal). Got to walk the tightrope, juggle with two hands and a foot and HOP across the tightrope. Seriously, you need all of your gas welding skills down before learning TIG. A trade school should work well to see if you really want to invest in the equipment. MIG vs TIG Another aspect is that MIG lays down welding wire rapidly. Too rapid for welding small thin 4130 tubing unless you know what you are dong. Often you can get a good looking weld bead but in reality the bead is just sitting on top with little penetration. MIG is great for stock car roll bars and general welding, is fast, requires little clean-up, is a lot of fun and requires much less skill than TIG. With MIG, I like to weave a bit to get as much heat into the joint as I dare to insure penetration. MIG (&TIG) also has the advantage of being able to join thick materials with thin (difficult with stick or gas welding). In trying to weld small round tubing joints with MIG, you are going to have lots of stops and starts and that is where problems arise. Because of the extra skills, time and equipment investment required, it would probably be better to gas weld your aircraft project. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349638#349638 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Should you give up flying ? From: "Dennis Thate" http://www.freebrainagegames.com/done.html Only take the test once, that's your final score. Have you killed too many brain Cells in your youth ? -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349639#349639 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/12449745_jpeg_preview_large_562.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:13 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Should you give up flying ? No offense intended, but why is this on the KOLB list? Thom Riddle On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:00 AM, "Dennis Thate" wrote: > > http://www.freebrainagegames.com/done.html > > Only take the test once, that's your final score. > > > Have you killed too many brain Cells in your youth ? > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so. > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349639#349639 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/12449745_jpeg_preview_large_562.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:51 AM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Should you give up flying ? Dennis, Aren't you the guy the other day that said "yeah, we need to keep things on this list "flying related"? How is your email clutter Kolb related, much less 'flying related'? You might need to review the Matronics rules. Please feel free to exclude me from you non-Kolb related posts. Thank you, and have a nice day. Mike Welch MkIII, and no, the weather is not hot. On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > http://www.freebrainagegames.com/done.html > > Only take the test once, that's your final score. > > > Have you killed too many brain Cells in your youth ? > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so. > Mark Twain > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349639#349639 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/12449745_jpeg_preview_large_562.jpg > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Should you give up flying ? From: "racerjerry" Who in heck wants to know the truth; certainly no pilots or politicians. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349643#349643 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:11 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Compass mount in your nice Kolbra... From: "tkben002" thanks, I did not recover it, this is the way I bought it and from speaking with the previous owner this is the original paint and fabric. I am not sure how the compass is held there, I think there is a bolt thru it but I will check. I am going from memory but I want to say it is number 11, 3rd quarter of 2002. Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349655#349655 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Should you give up flying ? From: "Dennis Thate" [Wink] If the shoe fits ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349658#349658 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:57 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Kolb-List: A day of fun, 8.11.11 Hi List, After what seemed like forever with the hot, humid, thunderstorms type of weather, last Thursday was truly gorgeous. Gary, who I met after he recently inquired on the list about a place to house his FireStar, met me up at the strip and took some pix of me setting my FlagFly up and some videos. The only one I was aware of him taking was when he stopped me to snap a shot when I was leaving for my first flight. The beautiful day did provide me with a 15 - 20 kt. crosswind so I had to pay attention when taking off. If you play the landing video, you come in over power lines and drop down into a hollow between the trees and land up a grade of about 8 - 10%. The threshold is past the trees, since there are rotting stumps and roots where the trees were cleared for the approach. After my first flight Gary, Bubba (my Black Lab who waits in the pickup) and I went out for lunch. Then he left and I flew to Blairstown (NJ) Airport and had delicious homemade Zucchini cake with maple icing and coffee for dessert in a little diner at the airport, all for a little more than three bucks. Here's the link to the pix and videos Gary took. Thanks, Gary!!! Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg273/thumbs47/Daves%20Field/?action=view¤t=DSCN0594.mp4 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB Gathering .... From: "ces308" Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what ever you're flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST ,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a motel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night after arrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday night and donuts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody interested??? This would be at Houghton Lake State Airport , 5Y2...2750 feet sod runway. chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 210.00 hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349677#349677 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB Gathering .... From: russ kinne Is this Michigan? would be good to know -- On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM, ces308 wrote: > > Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what ever you're flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST ,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a motel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night after arrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday night and donuts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody interested??? > > This would be at Houghton Lake State Airport , 5Y2...2750 feet sod runway. > > chris ambrose > M3X/Jabiru 210.00 hrs > N327CS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349677#349677 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: KOLB Gathering .... From: "ces308" Sorry....5Y2 is in Michigan....35 mi east of Cadillac,in the northern center of the state...look for the BIG lake in the center of the state...we are on the west side.... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349699#349699 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:20 PM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB Gathering .... Any time an airstrip/airport code is given (5Y2 in this case), you can go h ere and punch it in for the exact location: http://www.airnav.com/airports/ --- On Tue, 8/16/11, russ kinne wrote: From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB Gathering .... Is this Michigan? would be good to know -- On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM, ces308 wrote: > > Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what eve r you're flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST ,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a motel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night a fter arrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Satur day night and donuts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybo dy interested??? > > This would be at Houghton Lake State Airport , 5Y2...2750 feet sod runway .. > > chris ambrose > M3X/Jabiru- - 210.00 hrs > N327CS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349677#349677 > > > > > > > > > > le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: KOLB Gathering .... From: "Dennis Thate" That flight along Lake Superior to Houghton Penninsula would be spectacular. Has that Lake Effect record snow fall ended already! [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349700#349700 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11 From: "Dennis Thate" Loved it ! Thanks for the post, great paint scheme. :) -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349711#349711 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY... From: Rick Neilsen Chris I changed this to the whole Kolb list. Sounds like fun. I have been meaning to pop over to the middle of the state to see you but.... Don't meant to step on your idea but I have been also thinking of a second annual fly the lake(Lake Michigan) and sand dunes flyin at Hart-Shelby, Oceana County Michigan (C04). Camping on the grounds is OK with the airport manager if a large group drops in. If only 3-4 fly in you are all welcome a t my house. Last year we did this in September. Early to mid month would be best and we can work around weather and your schedules. The airport manger said he would call the local paper and they would send a reporter out if we had a group show up. There is no reason we can't do both. Is anyone interested. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Chris Ambrose < notification+kjdmvv_mh13i@facebookmail.com> wrote: > ** > Chris Ambrose posted in KOLB > . > [image: Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or > what ever you're flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of > AUGUST ,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport o r > there is a motel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday > night after arrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provi ded > Saturday night and donuts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....i s > anybody interested???]Chris > Ambrose4:0 2pm Aug 16 > Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what eve r > you're flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST > ,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is > a motel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night af ter > arrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday > night and donuts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody > interested??? > > View Post on Facebook=B7 Edit > Email Settings=B7 Reply to this email to add a comment. > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY... From: "ces308" Rick.... Sounds like fun...I missed it last year and I'm hoping I can make it this year...I'm afraid though I have only 1 weekend off in Sept...the last weekend..the 30th...but keep me informed...I'll see what I can do.. chris ambrose M3X N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349715#349715 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:55 PM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: KOLB Gathering .... Hi Chris.. I will plan on being there...and will get all the Kolb guys here in Michigan and others I can....will be a fun time....and a nice part of Michigan....you guys out of state need to consider this....the area around Houghton Lake is a nice area....I already have it marked on my calendar....was a good idea Chris... Jim Swan Kolb Firestar ll, 503 Rotax , 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 ph 517-663-8488 GPS GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825 In a message dated 8/16/2011 8:04:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ces308@ldaco.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ces308" Sorry....5Y2 is in Michigan....35 mi east of Cadillac,in the northern center of the state...look for the BIG lake in the center of the state...we are on the west side.... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349699#349699 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.