---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/20/11: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: Firefly for sale (Pat Ladd) 2. 02:13 AM - Re: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet (Pat Ladd) 3. 06:10 AM - Re: Firefly for sale (Charlie England) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: Firefly for sale (Malcolm Brubaker) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet (Mike Welch) 6. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Oil and fuel (Richard Girard) 7. 07:24 AM - Mk IIIC Weight and Balance Spreadsheet (Richard Girard) 8. 08:31 AM - Re: Proper 503 dual carb warm up (R. Hankins) 9. 09:22 AM - Re: Aging out (K I) 10. 10:37 AM - Re: Aging out (Dennis Thate) 11. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Oil and fuel (Gary Thacker) 12. 12:31 PM - Re: Oil and fuel (Richard Pike) 13. 01:28 PM - Rotax takes a unbelievable beating (Dennis Thate) 14. 04:24 PM - Re: Aging out (b young) 15. 06:24 PM - Re: Muffler & Header paint (R. Hankins) 16. 07:49 PM - Flying videos By stlmusic (Jack) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:31 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly for sale Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by the dumb pilot.>> Hi Gene, I am 82 at the end of the month so I would be interested in what dumb thing you did. My wife keeps telling me I should stop flying and I argue that I am fine. I know in my heart of heart that time is slipping by but I keep kidding myself . Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:33 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet re W and B. Thanks Mike When I have time I will put in the figures from my last professional weighing onto the spread sheet and see how they work out. Do you usually use the actual weight of the pilot? Here there is a standard allowance for W and B purposes and I think that is placarded as a warning for you to do something about it if you are outside the parameters. Thanks Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:13 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly for sale On 08/20/2011 03:53 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > > Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by the > dumb pilot.>> > > Hi Gene, > I am 82 at the end of the month so I would be interested in what dumb > thing you did. My wife keeps telling me I should stop flying and I > argue that I am fine. I know in my heart of heart that time is > slipping by but I keep kidding myself . > > Pat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wittman And the thing that got him was....failure to read the directions, not age. Charlie ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:57 AM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly for sale I ma 49 and started flying UL,s 20 years ago=0Ano one at the airport though t I would live this long.-=0A-If-I have 30 moor years of flying i sho uldent get upset-=0Aeverytime my plane is down for two weeks.- mal- =0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, P PC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513 -3022=0A=0AFrom: Charlie England =0ATo: kolb-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:07 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb nd =0A=0AOn 08/20/2011 03:53 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: =0A> =0A> Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by th e dumb pilot.>>=0A> =0A> Hi Gene,=0A> I am 82- at the end of the month so I would be interested in what dumb thing you did. My wife keeps telling me I should stop flying and I argue that I am fine. I know in my heart of hea rt that time is slipping by but I keep kidding myself .=0A> =0A> Pat=0Ahttp ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wittman=0A=0AAnd the thing that got him was. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:02 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet Hi Pat=2C Regarding using 'actual' numbers=2C or that theoretical "170 lb" pilot an d passenger=2C I did several calculations. Since it is so easy to swap out all kinds of weights and parameters=2C and the program does that number crunching for you=2C I did several weight samp les. I found that a lone pilot=2C weighing that mythical 170 lbs=2C put the CG just slightly aft of center=2C of the '25% to 35%' range...somewhere close to 31.1% aft of wing leading edge. Ne xt=2C I added a 170 lb passenger=2C which then put the CG at 27.5%...evidently still in the acceptable limits of CG. Next=2C I put in my own weight (let's just say it's more than 170 lbs=2C not less). Still within limits=2C even if I add a passenger. The "worst" calculation I got=2C which was me a nd a passenger=2C was something like 25.5% to 26%. I get the impression the MkIII is reasonably tolerant of pilot and passen ger weights=2C as far as staying within the CG boundaries goes. Max gross is another matter. At le ast the CG calculations make it seem so. I guess the MkIII Xtra has an even broader CG range does the MkIII C. Wh ile discussing CG stuff with a list member who has recently started flying his finished Xtra =2C he says his Xtra manual says CG can be within 20% to 35% aft of wing leading edge=2C if I recall co rrectly. I don't have an Xtra builder's manual=2C only the MkIII manual. I guess the Xtra has an ev en broader CG range than it's predecessor. I'm sure someone with lots of MkIII time=2C (especially with a passenger) will share their thoughts.... Mike Welch N212MN re W and B. Thanks Mike When I have time I will put in the figures from my last professional weighing onto the spread sheet and see how they work out. Do you usually use the actual weight of the pilot? Here there is a standard allowance for W and B purposes and I think that is placarded as a warning for you to do something about it if you are outside the parameters. Thanks Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Oil and fuel From: Richard Girard Gary, You have to know what's in it. If you don't, there are two safe ways to go. Give up the pump and premix, or flush out the reservoir, pump and lines and then replace with the oil of your choice. If it helps any, I've had four quarts of Pennzoil Air Cooled that I've been nursing along in my 582's rotary valve reservoir since Sun n Fun 2007. I'm down to my last quart and a half so I'll have to flush and clean soon. Rick On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:59 PM, thumbs wrote: > > rickofudall > > Ok then what Pennsoil do I use? I was over to a shop this afternoon and > they had Pennsoil 2 stroke oil in the pints. I looked for the API and it > said TC. I am guessing that is not compatible with oil injection. > My 503 is oil injected. What do I use?? > > thanks > > -------- > Gary > Souderton, Pa. > Firestar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350005#350005 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Mk IIIC Weight and Balance Spreadsheet From: Richard Girard You'll have to change the location of the main gear for a steel (bent) gear legs, this if for aluminum legs. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Proper 503 dual carb warm up From: "R. Hankins" I start the engine before I climb in. By the time I have my headset situated, the altimeter set, the GPS turned on, and the squelch adjusted, the temp gauge is beginning to register. By the time I taxi to the run up area it is good to go. I look for 150deg before the mag check and that always gets me close to 200 before takeoff power is applied. I glance at the gauge, but almost never have to wait for it. In normal conditions just getting to the runway will get things well warmed up. If you have been ice fishing and then jump in, start up and hammer the throttle, you will have a problem. If you are traveling with faster liquid cooled Kolbs, you can even the playing field a bit by starting your leg a good 5min sooner while they are waiting for their temps to come up. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350063#350063 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:13 AM PST US From: K I Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Aging out Greetings Kolb List=2C I chose to put off responding to the issue regarding "Aging Out". The reason is I was preparing for my final exam with the FAA examiner. Yesterday was the day I have been waiting for... I PASSED!! ! I have to admit=2C I am proud and elated. Never the less=2C the reason I am responding to the list regarding my success is not to boast=2C only to demonstrate=2C "mature persons" can still become a certified pilot. It is possible to=2C "teach an old dog a new trick". If I would have stuck with my first lesson through to finish=2C I would have been certified in '73. (You do the math.) Boyd Young=2C (Kolb Mlll N1225Y) was a great supporter throughout this experience. (Publicly) THANKS BOYD. I had the pleasure of having dinner John Hauck when he visited Utah last month. His encouragement was also appreciated. I would encourage younger persons=2C or mature persons to begin the pleasur e of learning to fly=2C regardless of their age. Safe Flying=2C Kurt Imig Firestar ll Date: Sun=2C 14 Aug 2011 19:37:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging out From: gpabruce@gmail.com Just read this post and had a thought for you . . . I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to pr opose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music=2C en joy their antics=2C and so on just to be around them. We get small moments of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I apprec iate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes=2C get to know them =2C let them get to know you=2C listen closely to them=2C try their advice =2C participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and th ey can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far. The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution wit h the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500 congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we ask them to fix what they broke. What did they do? They handed it t o twelve idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 t rillion dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste=2C fraud and abuse? They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope it's scattered in all places=2C not easy to identify. So what 's the solution? I think it should be divided up by categories and given t o our school children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing Am erica hands on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is t his and that for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they wi ll begin to see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the way=2C this project will have so many angles to it=2C they wo uld be exempt from school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . . our business leader=2C our political leaders and our rel igious leaders have all failed this. There is no way 12=2C000 people can an alyze 1 trillion dollars let alone 12 hard headed=2C biased=2C opinionated people who were the problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done=2C nothing will be accomplished except they will line their own pockets and b e much more wealthy. So I say what do we have to lose=2C let every child =2C in every grade=2C in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left them. They would still go to school but have a repriev e from normal school which isn't very good anyway. I know . . . it won't h appen . . .we'll keep doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results. In your case with EAA and young people=2C I hope you give it a try and let them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't b elieve me=2C watch some youtube. They are amazing. I would also go grab so me delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they might respond . . . . Good Luck Bruce On Sun=2C Aug 14=2C 2011 at 7:04 PM=2C Dennis Thate wrote: I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 7 0's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no y ounger members to take over=2C even in this small University city with a we ll established college aviation program. I fear the end of what we love=2C 'sport aviation' could be fading away . -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve nts the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging out From: "Dennis Thate" It will take more films like this to inspire young men & women into aviation, rarely do you see any aviation films today. Red Tails, a special effects remake of the Tuskegee Airmen http://www.buzzfocus.com/2011/08/18/first-look-red-tails-trailer/ -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350072#350072 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:48 AM PST US From: Gary Thacker Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Oil and fuel Rick Thanks=2C I am 99.9% sure I have Pennsoil 2 cycle oil in it now. The reser voir is almost full but it has been in there for about five years. Is this oil still good? The reservoir has been closed all the time. I can get th e oil out of the reservoir and the oil line but how do you get it out of th e pump? Gary Souderton=2C Pa. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oil and fuel From: "Richard Pike" If I was going to change from one sort of oil to another sort and didn't want them to cross contaminate each other, here's what I would do: Dump in some premix to safely run the engine, pull the oil pump cable to max and start er up, run at about 3,000 rpm. It will pump out the old oil pretty quick. Watch the oil line from the pump and you will see when it quits pumping (or just wait for the smoke to subside to normal levels...) and then dump in the new oil, leave the oil pump cable at max. Run the engine again at around 3,000 until it starts to smoke heavily. Shut it down, check for bubbles in the oil line from the pump, if no bubbles, put everything back to normal, and you ought to be good to go with the new oil. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350075#350075 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax takes a unbelievable beating From: "Dennis Thate" Caution has a violent ending ! http://www.zapiks.fr/share/player.swf?file=50284 [Shocked] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350078#350078 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:46 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging out It is possible to, "teach an old dog a new trick". Kurt Imig >>>>>>>>>>>>> woof woof that is dog for congratulations. an old dog would have known that without explanation... but for the rest of you. LOL call me lets go fly. boyd young mkiii utah ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint From: "R. Hankins" I use Krylon Stove and BBQ flat black. Works great. Priced right. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350086#350086 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:16 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Kolb-List: Flying videos By stlmusic Kolbers I was just checking Youtube for flying videos of Kolbs and ran across a few fairly new videos from stlmusic, from earlier this year. I thought the videos were exceptionally clear and also wondered how he shot some of these. Thought maybe he had someone in the back seat of the Firestar 2 taking the video until the camera panned back, nobody there. I'll give the link and you can scroll thru them . The newest ones are marked with HD. If some of you have never seen any of these check them all out. I enjoyed them myself. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=STLMUSIC+FLYING+VIDEOS&aq=f Jack Carillon Akron Oh. 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