---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/23/11: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 AM - Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic (Pat Ladd) 2. 02:36 AM - Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic (Pat Ladd) 3. 04:05 AM - Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic (Thom Riddle) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Operating Manual (Watkinsdw) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Operating Manual (rayw) 6. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Muffler & Header paint (Dana Hague) 7. 08:19 AM - Re: Operating Manual (Watkinsdw) 8. 09:16 AM - Beware Pay Pal Hoax eMail (jerb) 9. 09:37 AM - Re: Trailaplane (Dana Hague) 10. 09:51 AM - Re: Muffler & Header paint (Beauford) 11. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Muffler & Header paint (william sullivan) 12. 11:06 AM - Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic (Richard Girard) 13. 11:54 AM - Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic (Thom Riddle) 14. 02:18 PM - Re: Muffler & Header paint (henry.voris) 15. 03:26 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11 (George Bearden) 16. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: Muffler & Header paint (Beauford) 17. 04:42 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/18/11 (George Bearden) 18. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Muffler & Header paint (b young) 19. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11 (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:19 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic When I was in the process of installing that Xtra nosecone, I anticipated that it would 'cave in'(depress)>> Mike, you may have thought that but in practice it doesn`t. If you are happier with the added ribs (and weight) that's fine but they not needed.. Someone mentioned the aerodynamic properties of the nose. as far as is possible to tell from flying the Xtra does generate a bit of lift from the nose if you fly sideways or slip. It is just about noticeable and no problem. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:22 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic Richard, sounds as though you have a real pig there. My Xtra does none of those things. The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of it. My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least. I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I am up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:23 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic ...My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least... Pat, What prop do you have on your Jabiru. I believe the few Jab powered MkIIIX here in the US are running 58" dia. x Sensenich props with about 40" pitch (I think) and they report cruise speeds above 80 mph but at higher rpm than 2600. Which is about the same cruise speed I see on my Slingshot with 64" diameter x 32" pitch. Due to the much larger diameter on mine, I expect mine is a good bit louder, which is why I rarely cruise at over about 2650 rpm, frequently slower when I'm not in a hurry. Thom in Buffalo On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > ** > Richard, > sounds as though you have a real pig there. > My Xtra does none of those things. > The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It > will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of > it. > > . I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I am > up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. > > Pat > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Operating Manual From: "Watkinsdw" I developed one just for fun, and in case of a ramp check. Not sure if an experimental is required to have one to be legal, but it was fun anyway. Feedback welcome... Dave Watkins Kolb Mk III-C Pompano Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350297#350297 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_operator_manual_8_13_11_230.doc ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Operating Manual From: "rayw" FYI: I checked with the EAA. A POH is not required for amateur built aircraft. Dave thank you for your POH copy. It should be more than adequate to get me started. Just what I was looking for!! Ray Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350307#350307 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint From: Dana Hague I had the same problem. I poured the sand onto an old aluminum tray and set it on a plastic milk crate with a drop light inside, and when dry I strained it through a piece of window screen. -Dana russ kinne wrote: Beauford Any chance of putting wet sand in smalls sacks into the clothes-dryer? Should work. Russ On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Beauford wrote: > > Kolbers: > Thanks for the various inputs on the paint. > I ended up with two rattle cans of the VHT "flameproof" ceramic coating... > as suggested by Brother Diebel. > Claim on the can is good to 2,ooo degrees... hope I am not in the same > county with the little Nazi engine > if that limit is ever approached. > > As usual, it is the little stuff that trips a man up... got everything set > up to sandblast....opened a bag... soaking > wet sand...impossible to use. Opened another...same way. Went to different > store and bought two different flavors of > sand... got home... both wet... Beauford is getting a tad slow in his > dotage, but it finally dawned on him... > The bastards are selling WATER, not sand.... in 50 lb bags...$3 a pop. > Last night the garage looked like a Lawrence > of Arabia movie set...piles of sand on tarps all over the floor... > dehumidifier and three fans running. The > neighbors used to come and chat when they saw me working on the Kolb... > have noticed that now they just > gather in small groups out on the street, whisper and point... > > Next task is to figure out a way to get the Formidable Mrs. Beauford off of > the property for about four hours > after the parts are coated with the VHT... Gotta bake 'em in the oven in > three heating-cooling stages to cure > the stuff. Went through this once before with a chrome-ceramic paint on > this muffler... nasty stuff... ran the > stove on the oven cleaning cycle to get it hot enough. Unfortunately the > FMB returned home before the process > was complete and local participation in aviation came near to permanent > termination with prejudice. The up side was that > the new oven racks fit pretty good and we gota good census on the roach > population in the house... doubt that > the Orkin boys could have nailed more of 'em. Did notice that the > furniture smelled funny for a couple of weeks, > though. > . > > Anyway, thankee again for the suggestions on the paint...Will see how this > stuff does... Gotta go sandblast before > the afternoon monsoon. > > Beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > Do Not Archive > > -----Original Message----- > > I use Krylon Stove and BBQ flat black. Works great. Priced right. > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Operating Manual From: "Watkinsdw" Glad to help, Ray. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350311#350311 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:55 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Beware Pay Pal Hoax eMail Good Morning Folks, Heads Up - Be Alert - this morning I received an email supposedly from Pay-Pal stating your account has been limited and requesting the typical want to make sure no one last logged into your without your permission with a link to confirm your profile and account information and so on. Don't reply to it. I would not normally post this on the list but it came in on an address I only use on the list and the message itself was very well done and authentic except it has a flaw in the spelling of PayPal with character "I" where an "l" (lower case L) should be. If you did receive it, Do Not click on the link to their Resolution Center, or reply to it, just delete it. It is a scam to collect information to get access to your account. I use a program called Mail Washer, that shows the header information as an rr.com origination point. Don't reply to it and delete it and then reward yourself, go fly. jerb - .. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailaplane At 05:03 AM 8/22/2011, JC Gilpin wrote: >My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't >go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I >think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 >category?? Do you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd >be hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and >all the 'attitude'. Anybody can fly Part 103, no citizenship or residency required. >I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the >trailer. Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the >structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you >could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could >make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow..... Trailering long distances can beat on the plane. so you need to support it as well as possible. If you keep the wings on the plane, the fuselage must be supported exactly at the folded wing support point. >I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun >1990. But there are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but >that's about it. Our local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow >two seats and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar >here. I understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but >can't find out more about them - any links or info appreciated. The Firestar II is the two seat tandem version; quite a few of them were built. This led to the Kolbra and Slingshot, but only the Firefly (and earlier Ultrastar and Flyer) are 103 legal ultralights. -Dana -- Please return stewardess to original upright position. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:37 AM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint Dana: Thankee fer the input. Tried to run the sand through the blaster again yesterday. after 3 days of fan drying in the garage, sand was still too wet to feed properly and what did feed was not sharp enough to adequately cut the old ceramic paint off the muffler anyway. Noticed that the soup at dinner last night had grit in it. Am a slow learner, but I know when I'm whipped. Went to the local welding supply this morning and got 100lbs of Black Beauty blasting abrasive. Guy behind the counter said it would carve your initials in a cannon ball.noticed it was grinding holes in the sacks when I loaded it in truck. Now I gotta be careful it doesn't eat a hole in the Nazi muffler.. Yesterday noticed in the fine print on the VHT header paint rattle-can that the stuff is only to be applied when the humidity is 60% or lower. Last day we had humidity that low here was in January. might have to drive it up to South Dakota to paint it before Christmas. The beat goes on. Beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do Not Archive From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint I had the same problem. I poured the sand onto an old aluminum tray and set it on a plastic milk crate with a drop light inside, and when dry I strained it through a piece of window screen. -Dana ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:29 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint =C2- Beauford- Do what I do.=C2- Send the wife out shopping, and spread the sand out in cake pans or cookie sheets.=C2- Oven at 350 or so for an hour. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 - Bill Sullivan --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Beauford wrote: From: Beauford Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint Dana: =C2-Thankee fer the input. =C2-Tried to run the sand through the blaster again yesterday after 3 days of fan drying in the garage, sand was still too wet to feed properlyand what did feed was not sharp enou gh to adequately cut the old ceramic paint off the muffler anyway.=C2- No ticed thatthe soup at dinner last night had grit in it. =C2-Am a slow lea rner, but I know when I=99m whipped =C2-Went to the local welding supply this morning and got 100lbs of Black Beauty blasting abrasiv e.=C2- Guy behind the countersaid it would carve your initials in a canno n ballnoticed it was grinding holes in the sacks when I loaded it in truck Now I gotta be careful it doesn=99t eat a hole in t he Nazi muffler.. =C2-Yesterday noticed in the fine print on the VHT head er paint rattle-can that the stuff is only to be applied when the humidity is 60% or lowerLast day we had humidity that low here was in Janua ry might have to drive it up to South Dakota to paint it before Christmas =C2-The beat goes on. =C2-BeaufordFF-076Bran don, FLDo Not Archive =C2-From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mai lto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint =C2-I had the same pro blem. I poured the sand onto an old aluminum tray and set it on a plastic m ilk crate with a drop light inside, and when dry I strained it through a pi ece of window screen. -Dana ======================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic From: Richard Girard Pat, I'm well into the third of a three part article of all the things I've had to fix on this airplane. I believe I know what is causing the lawn dart syndrome and I'm well into the fix as I type. As soon as it's tested and the third part is finished, I'll publish them here. Probably under the heading, "For God's Sake, Don't Do This" or "How to Screw Up a Perfectly Good Airplane Without Really Trying". Rick On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > ...My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get > around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least... > > Pat, > > What prop do you have on your Jabiru. I believe the few Jab powered MkIIIX > here in the US are running 58" dia. x Sensenich props with about 40" pitch > (I think) and they report cruise speeds above 80 mph but at higher rpm than > 2600. Which is about the same cruise speed I see on my Slingshot with 64" > diameter x 32" pitch. Due to the much larger diameter on mine, I expect mine > is a good bit louder, which is why I rarely cruise at over about 2650 rpm, > frequently slower when I'm not in a hurry. > > Thom in Buffalo > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > >> ** >> Richard, >> sounds as though you have a real pig there. >> My Xtra does none of those things. >> The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It >> will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of >> it. >> >> . I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I am >> up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. >> >> Pat >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:29 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic Rick, I'm sure all Kolbers will be interested in your article. You should be able to get Sport Aviation (and/or others) to publish it for the benefit of all builders or would-be-builders. Thom in Buffalo On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Pat, I'm well into the third of a three part article of all the things I've > had to fix on this airplane. I believe I know what is causing the lawn dart > syndrome and I'm well into the fix as I type. As soon as it's tested and the > third part is finished, I'll publish them here. Probably under the heading, > "For God's Sake, Don't Do This" or "How to Screw Up a Perfectly Good > Airplane Without Really Trying". > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > >> ...My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get >> around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least... >> >> Pat, >> >> What prop do you have on your Jabiru. I believe the few Jab powered MkIIIX >> here in the US are running 58" dia. x Sensenich props with about 40" pitch >> (I think) and they report cruise speeds above 80 mph but at higher rpm than >> 2600. Which is about the same cruise speed I see on my Slingshot with 64" >> diameter x 32" pitch. Due to the much larger diameter on mine, I expect mine >> is a good bit louder, which is why I rarely cruise at over about 2650 rpm, >> frequently slower when I'm not in a hurry. >> >> Thom in Buffalo >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: >> >>> ** >>> Richard, >>> sounds as though you have a real pig there. >>> My Xtra does none of those things. >>> The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It >>> will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of >>> it. >>> >>> . I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I >>> am up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> * >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint From: "henry.voris" 23aug11 Br'er Beuford, I was having problems with humidity when I used the VHT on the straight pipes of the beloved iron and black motorcycle... Got good results by... cleaning the pipes good... wipe with acetone... dangled them in the Hawaiian sun until hot to the touch... shot the VHT while the pipes were hot. Cured by running copious amounts of hot exhaust gas through 'em. I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why not to do it this way... but it looked good for about two years of running every day, when I did it again. Good luck. -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350353#350353 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:25 PM PST US From: George Bearden Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11 > so I can't go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. I think the Firestar will easily meet the Light Sport requirements. This allows you to fly it with a Sport Pilot license. This license requires the training and flight time as a PPL. Also no special physical exam is required. **IF** you have never failed such an FAA required exam for a PPL. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:53 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint Thankee, Brother Voris One way or another, the evil deed is done.. the stuff is sandblasted, wiped with acetone and shot with the HVT.. Will bake it when I can figure out a way to have survivable access to the stove.... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do not archive -----Original Message----- Br'er Beuford, I was having problems with humidity when I used the VHT on the straight pipes of the beloved iron and black motorcycle... Got good results by... cleaning the pipes good... wipe with acetone... dangled them in the Hawaiian sun until hot to the touch... shot the VHT while the pipes were hot. Cured by running copious amounts of hot exhaust gas through 'em. I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why not to do it this way... but it looked good for about two years of running every day, when I did it again. Good luck. -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:52 PM PST US From: George Bearden Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/18/11 Oil and fuel Thanks for your great post Dana. > More oil = less fuel/air ratio so the engine is actually running lean. Back during the Pleistocene I was involved with 2-stroke motorcycles. Older guys told me that extra oil can form an insulating barrier between the cylinder skirts and the cylinder and cause a siezure. Makes me go Hmmmmm! Maybe it was a lean condition instead or along with. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:57 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler & Header paint Thankee, Brother Voris One way or another, the evil deed is done.. the stuff is sandblasted, wiped with acetone and shot with the HVT.. Will bake it when I can figure out a way to have survivable access to the stove.... beauford >>>>>>>>>> make sure you use the old oven racks,, or you will have to buy the FMB a second new set still having a good laugh over that one. boyd young mkiii utah please do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:59 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11 Just so he is not confused: you can fly anything that meets the light sport requirements- 1350? (not sure of the exact weight) MPH limitations, whether it is registered as Light sport or experimental amateur built. However you will have to meet the 103 requirements if you do not have a Sport Pilot lic. A Firefly would meet that quite handily. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Bearden To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:23 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11 > so I can't go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. I think the Firestar will easily meet the Light Sport requirements. This allows you to fly it with a Sport Pilot license. This license requires =BD the training and flight time as a PPL. 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