---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/27/11: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:20 AM - Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic (robhock) 2. 05:36 AM - Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa (Dennis Thate) 3. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic (End User) 4. 09:17 AM - Shimming...save on wear & tear (Dennis Thate) 5. 10:16 AM - tailspring? (tkben002) 6. 10:42 AM - Re: tailspring? (william sullivan) 7. 10:51 AM - Re: tailspring? (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 8. 11:02 AM - Re: tailspring? (tkben002) 9. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: tailspring? (b young) 10. 11:31 AM - Re: tailspring? (End User) 11. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: tailspring? (Thom Riddle) 12. 12:35 PM - Re: tailspring? (Richard Girard) 13. 01:22 PM - Re: tailspring? (tkben002) 14. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: tailspring? (Thom Riddle) 15. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: tailspring? (Gene Ledbetter) 16. 02:09 PM - Re: tailspring? (George Alexander) 17. 02:11 PM - Re: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa (Dana Hague) 18. 05:25 PM - Re: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa (Dennis Thate) 19. 08:53 PM - 2/27/11 Glencoe Minnesota fly-in (Ralph B) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic From: "robhock" Hi Folks. Just joined this site but like others here I'm interested in getting steel legs for my Kolb Twinstar Mk3. Where do I get them though? I'm in the UK so would prefer to get them locally but resigned to have to order them from the States. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350724#350724 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa From: "Dennis Thate" WHAT A PITY KULULA DOESN'T FLY INTERNATIONALLY - WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEM IF ONLY FOR THEIR HUMOUR - SO TYPICALLY SOUTH AFRICAN. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350737#350737 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/j_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/i_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/k_103.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:57 AM PST US From: End User Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic Order them straight from Kolb. Not cheap but you will love them. BB MkIII, suzuki On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:18 AM, robhock wrote: > > > Hi Folks. Just joined this site but like others here I'm interested > in getting steel legs for my Kolb Twinstar Mk3. Where do I get them > though? I'm in the UK so would prefer to get them locally but > resigned to have to order them from the States. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350724#350724 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Shimming...save on wear & tear From: "Dennis Thate" How many set up their wings, shim them with aircraft bolts and washers and leave them permanently set up, versus using 'quick release' clevis & pins. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350763#350763 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/shimming_560.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02478_126.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: tailspring? From: "tkben002" My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? thanks, Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:11 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tailspring? - What happens if you take the weight off it for a while?- What model K olb?- Mine is a fiberglass rod, and I think they would take a "set". ------------------------- ------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------- FS 447 --- On Sat, 8/27/11, tkben002 wrote: From: tkben002 Subject: Kolb-List: tailspring? My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is.- When I look at pi ctures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight.- Mine has a nice little curve to it.- My question is, can I remove it, cut it off wh en it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or shou ld I just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? thanks, Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tailspring? From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Pick up the back of your airplane and look to see if it is bent if not cu t it in half and you wont have one that looks bent I always used half of what they send you Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: tkben002 Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:13 pm Subject: Kolb-List: tailspring? My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at pic tures f other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a nice lit tle urve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when it is bent, re nsert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I just call Tra vis nd buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? thanks, Travis Bennett ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? From: "tkben002" It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to. Thanks, Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350776#350776 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:01 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to. Thanks, Travis Bennett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. it should be solid alum rod. i left mine full length,,, some have shortened theirs. my thought was if the rod is shortened, it will put more shock load on the steel frame. then on the other hand,,, when longer there is more spring,,, but a longer moment arm which would make things bend with less force. pick your poison. boyd young mkiii utah. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:03 AM PST US From: End User Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tailspring? Mark the exit point with a felt tip and cut it there. The point where they eventually break, if it flexes enough times, is at that point. You will be doing yourself a favor. BB On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:13 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look > at pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. > Mine has a nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove > it, cut it off when it is bent, re insert it and have an overall > shorter tailspring, or should I just call Travis and buy a new one, > or are there any alternatives? > > thanks, > > Travis Bennett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:52 PM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? The Slingshot is VERY tail heavy, so after bending the tail wheel rod (more than once I think), the builder fixed it permanently with a very stout leaf spring. See photo below. It is probably overkill for Kolbs with lighter tails. On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 2:16 PM, b young wrote: > > > It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning > on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to. > > Thanks, > > Travis Bennett > >> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it should be solid alum rod. i left mine full length,,, some have > shortened theirs. my thought was if the rod is shortened, it will put > more shock load on the steel frame. then on the other hand,,, when longer > there is more spring,,, but a longer moment arm which would make things > bend with less force. pick your poison. > > boyd young > mkiii utah. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tailspring? From: Richard Girard One thing that will happen if you straighten the tailwheel post is that it will restore the kingpin angle to swept forward, like the manufacturer intended, to keep the tailwheel from, for lack of a better term, fluttering. Think of the wheel on a shopping cart that wobbles back and forth uncommanded as you push the cart. You can also replace the solid aluminum post with 4130 tube and it will be a little lighter. 3/4" X .065" wall will work nicely. You can also have it heat treated up to RC 130 to make it a true spring so it won't bend again. Another thing you might consider it to change out the springs from tension to compression so you don't have to worry about the hook breaking or pulling out. Rick Girard On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 1:28 PM, End User wrote: > > Mark the exit point with a felt tip and cut it there. The point where they > eventually break, if it flexes enough times, is at that point. > You will be doing yourself a favor. > BB > > > On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:13 PM, tkben002 wrote: > >> >> My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at >> pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a >> nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when >> it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I >> just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? >> >> thanks, >> >> Travis Bennett >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//**files/tailspring_resize_274.**jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? From: "tkben002" Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer). Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer? Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350792#350792 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_bent_resize_106.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_short_resize_139.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:26 PM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? Travis, My tailwheel is six inch diameter from Aviation Products, Inc. in California (from the sticker on the side), probably available thru Aircraft Spruce. Thom On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had > it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a > shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any > differences (expect it to be stiffer). > > Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer? > > Travis Bennett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350792#350792 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_bent_resize_106.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_short_resize_139.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:37 PM PST US From: Gene Ledbetter Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? Travis, You have moved the tailwheel forward enough that it has moved your CG forward some amount. So be alert the next time you fly and see if you can tell any difference. Gene On Aug 27, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > Travis, > > My tailwheel is six inch diameter from Aviation Products, Inc. in California (from the sticker on the side), probably available thru Aircraft Spruce. > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? From: "George Alexander" tkben002 wrote: > . . . snip . . . . I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer). > . . . snip. . > Travis Bennett For those of you who have done this, should he expect any difference in ground handling or takeoff because of the tail being closer to the ground? -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350797#350797 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:22 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa At 08:34 AM 8/27/2011, Dennis Thate wrote: > >WHAT A PITY KULULA DOESN'T FLY INTERNATIONALLY - WE SHOULD SUPPORT >THEM IF ONLY FOR THEIR HUMOUR - SO TYPICALLY SOUTH AFRICAN. Although Kulula is known for quirky advertising, that list of comments is old... really old. Typical internet thing, somebody tacks some new name onto it to make it sound real and posts it as "new". -Dana do not archive -- Bismark said God looks after fools, drunks, and the United States. He didn't say how long the Almighty's patience might endure. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa From: "Dennis Thate" Thanks Dana, The intended humor was not suitable for 'some' on this forum. I'll have to start checking with Snopes . http://www.snopes.com/ My Apology ! Dennis [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350811#350811 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 2/27/11 Glencoe Minnesota fly-in From: "Ralph B" I flew the old Firestar to Glencoe this morning. It was a good fly-in with brats, hot dogs, and corn on the cob. PIC's got a free meal. Here are some pictures ... log into Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.267841199910627.80705.100000542485187 Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. 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