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1. 04:27 AM - Re: Kolb vs Flightstar (SS568)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: New Video... (Dennis Thate)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: New Video... (Gary Aman)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: New Video... (ces308)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: New Video... (Ralph B)
6. 11:49 AM - Re: New Video... (Pat Ladd)
7. 12:34 PM - Re: New Video... (ces308)
8. 12:37 PM - Re: New Video... (ces308)
9. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Pat Ladd)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Thom Riddle)
11. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (b young)
12. 01:50 PM - Re: Kolb vs Flightstar (Richard Pike)
13. 02:00 PM - Re: New Video... (ces308)
14. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Thom Riddle)
15. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Thom Riddle)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: New Video... (ces308)
17. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Gary Aman)
18. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Thom Riddle)
19. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (robert bean)
20. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Thom Riddle)
21. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (John Hauck)
22. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Ron @ KFHU)
23. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (b young)
24. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Gary Thacker)
25. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Dennis Souder)
26. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: New Video... (Dana Hague)
27. 07:53 PM - Re: New Video... (Dennis Thate)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb vs Flightstar |
Thanks all for the replies and comments.
Not to get too far from "a Kolb forum". I noticed when researching the web sites
for the Flightstar, they have an electric LSA. They used a lot of hype . I
never found the specifications or flight data. It would be interesting to find
the duration on one charge of electrons. I would guess they have spent a ton
of money on such a project. (Kolb let someone else do the R and D.)
One area of interest would be using the wing area for Photo cells to extend the
flight time. Kinda hard to do with electric cars.
D D
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Will she write a story about this flight ? ...if so, maybe you can post it here
on the forum.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Chris,
Good for our sport and also a great way to meet cute reporters!
G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 638hrs
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From: ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:06 am
Subject: Kolb-List: New Video...
Hi all !
I took up a reporter from our local paper the other day and recorded the
flight....if you have nothing else to do,take a look !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEUAc6R_ic
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 215.0 hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Gary -Dennis ..-all...
She saw another guys Firestar up here and started asking questions and he pointed
her in my direction as he has never flown his yet.When she came into the hangar
and saw the airplane,the first thing she said was ,"How does it feel when
you are flying in this ?" Well,what else could I say but,lets go find out !
lol She loved the ride ! She is putting the story together and when it comes
out I will post it...!
A side note...I have offered to take him up to get an idea of how these things
fly,but we haven't hooked up yet....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A-2200
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Good video Chris. You might try that audio cord to plug into your camera to reduce
noise when talking to your passenger. It worked well for me.
Here's the link again:
http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/1978
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
24 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in)
N20386
done flying it
150 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Nice flight.
Is that a check list I see before me? What is on it?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Hi Ralph....My camera does not have an audio in... :( I wish it did...and you
never know what YouTube will let you play on the videos...so I don't even try
anymore....
Pat...Yes I do have a check list....I will try and post it for you...
This is the check list ...not the V speed reminder right in front of me...the check
list is on a string off to the side for easy ref...Feel free any one to use
this check list ..or adjust it to your plane....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80* F ...I think thats 59* c
on the list....I have it changed on my list...
chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
This is the checklist>>
Thanks Chris .
I may adapt that.
I do not have a separate fuel pump for instance and with the trim right
forward I would struggle to get off the ground. I use about half. I trim
almost right forward for cruise.
Incidentally. what cruise speed do you get at 2800?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Pat, and Chris, and Gary (and any other Jabiru Kolbers).
What prop are you running? I suspect mine is longer than most Kolbers. Mine
is Tennessee Wood Prop 64" diameter x 31" pitch, as stamped on the hub, but
the pitch measures closer to 32". Not same airframe as you guys but is
same/similar engine and probably similar cruise speeds.
Thom in Buffalo
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
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> This is the checklist>>
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> Thanks Chris .
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> I may adapt that.
> I do not have a separate fuel pump for instance and with the trim right
> forward I would struggle to get off the ground. I use about half. I trim
> almost right forward for cruise.
>
> Incidentally. what cruise speed do you get at 2800?
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80* F ...I think thats 59*
c on the list....I have it changed on my list...
chris ambrose
just thinking out loud.. 59 c should be about 135 to 140 f
rotax wants the 912 to have 120 f oil temps before full power,,,, for a air
cool jab, 135 to 140 sounds bout right.\\
boyd young
mkiii utah
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb vs Flightstar |
Years ago I put the half windows on the MKIII, climbed to 10,000 over a country
airport at early evening (wore my jacket) and shut it off, played all sorts of
silly games on the way down. Took awhile to descend that far. Landed dead stick,
took the jacket off, started it up and flew it home. I need to do that again
this summer before it gets cold.
For that matter, all of us need to do that this summer before it gets cold.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
ok.....
This is wheree I got the 59* from....
4.3 Warming Up Period, Ground Test
Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM. Continue at 2000
RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reaches 15C (59F).
I make sure it's at least 80* before I start heading out the runway..
And Thom...My prop is a Sensenich 58" x 44 pitch...
chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Fellow Jabiru flyers. Following is what I found in the manual.
4.3 Warming Up Period, Ground Test
- -
Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM. Continue a
t
2000 RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reaches
15=B0C (59=B0F).
Check the two ignition circuits at 2000 RPM. Note: - RPM with only one
ignition should not drop by more than 100 RPM.
*DO NOT apply full power until CHT reaches 100=B0C (212=B0F)*
*
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*SO.....Warm up at 1200 rpm until OIL temp is 15C or 59F.*
*..........Defer take-off power until CHT is 100C or 212*
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*I hope this clears it up.*
*
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*Thom*
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, b young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80* F ...I think thats
> 59* c on the list....I have it changed on my list...
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> chris ambrose
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> just thinking out loud.. 59 c should be about 135 to 140 f
>
> rotax wants the 912 to have 120 f oil temps before full power,,,, for a a
ir
> cool jab, 135 to 140 sounds bout right.\\
> boyd young
> mkiii utah
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Chris,
Thanks for the prop info. Based on your videos I'm sure yours is quieter
than mine. At same rpm my tip speed is 10% higher than yours.
Thom
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:58 PM, ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote:
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> ok.....
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> This is wheree I got the 59* from....
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> 4.3 Warming Up Period, Ground Test
> =EF=82=B7 Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM
. Continue
> at 2000 RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reach
es
> 15=C2=B0C (59=C2=B0F).
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> I make sure it's at least 80* before I start heading out the runway..
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> And Thom...My prop is a Sensenich 58" x 44 pitch...
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> chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than anything
!!! I think it was FLYING or AOPA mag has a interview with Burt Rutan
and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....
chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Chris,
We need to do that more often.See someone who has interest? take em' for a
ride.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:39 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Video...
Gary -Dennis ..-all...
She saw another guys Firestar up here and started asking questions and he
pointed her in my direction as he has never flown his yet.When she came in
to
the hangar and saw the airplane,the first thing she said was ,"How does it
feel
when you are flying in this ?" Well,what else could I say but,lets go find
out !
lol She loved the ride ! She is putting the story together and when it com
es
out I will post it...!
A side note...I have offered to take him up to get an idea of how these thi
ngs
fly,but we haven't hooked up yet....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A-2200
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Can't argue with that. The Titan Tornado I used to own, was very noisy
too. The outstanding visibility we get with pushers has to cost
something, I guess.
Thom
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On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote:
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> LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than anything
!!! I think it was FLYING or AOPA mag has a interview with Burt Rutan
and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....
>
>
> chris ambrose
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet. Maybe
just polite neighbors.
I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?
BB, MkIII, suzuki
On 2, Sep 2011, at 7:59 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
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> Can't argue with that. The Titan Tornado I used to own, was very noisy
> too. The outstanding visibility we get with pushers has to cost
> something, I guess.
>
> Thom
> do not archive
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> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote:
>
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>> LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than
anything !!! I think it was FLYING or AOPA mag has a interview with Burt Rutan
and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....
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>> chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
This is pure speculation, but I suspect that the engine not being
cowled, the turbulent air hitting the prop, and the proximity of the
engine to our heads with little or no noise insulation/absorption
between them all contribute to the ambient perceived noise in the
cabin. Other than the Tornado and several Kolbs, the only other
pusher I've flown was a Challenger, which I have flown from front and
back seats. The Challenger was noisy, especially in the back seat, but
I don't think it was as bad as the others I've flown. The Challenger
engine is mostly behind the fuselage thus it present less area to
disrupt air flow and disturb the air entering the prop. I think this
may have something to do with the perceived lower noise level.
Thom
do not archive this speculative thought stream
On Sep 2, 2011, at 8:22 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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> Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet. Maybe
just polite neighbors.
> I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?
>
> BB, MkIII, suzuki
>
> On 2, Sep 2011, at 7:59 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
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>> Can't argue with that. The Titan Tornado I used to own, was very noisy
>> too. The outstanding visibility we get with pushers has to cost
>> something, I guess.
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>> Thom
>> do not archive
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>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote:
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>>> LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than
anything !!! I think it was FLYING or AOPA mag has a interview with Burt Rutan
and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....
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>>> chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?
BB, MkIII, suzuki
Bob B/Folks:
Don't know what the physics is behind the noise, but the tractor runs in
clean, undisturbed air, and the pusher is trying to operate in very
disturbed air.
Difference between night and day between a 912S with a 72" Warp Drive on a
pusher or a tractor. The tractor seems to whisper along, while the Kolb is
raising Hell.
john h
mkIII
Blanding, UT
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
I think its called a " Fire Wall " I have yet to see a pusher with a fire wall
and have yet to see a puller without one. I will have a solid aluminum fire wall
on my M3X, it may take some re jigging but I hate noise.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet. Maybe
just polite neighbors.
I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?
BB, MkIII, suzuki
On 2, Sep 2011, at 7:59 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
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> Can't argue with that. The Titan Tornado I used to own, was very noisy
> too. The outstanding visibility we get with pushers has to cost
> something, I guess.
>
> Thom
> do not archive
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> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than
anything !!! I think it was FLYING or AOPA mag has a interview with Burt Rutan
and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....
>>
>>
>> chris ambrose
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351286#351286
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
I think its called a " Fire Wall " I have yet to see a pusher with a fire
wall and have yet to see a puller without one.
Ron
i once flew a weed hopper with a one lung engine set up in a tractor
configuration,,,, only did it once and would not recommend it.
boyd young
mkiii utah
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Yeah I saw one of those. I can't imagine the prop wash on a open cockpit t
ractor.
By the way I watched a couple of you videos and enjoyed them both. I appr
eciate the smooth video it almost makes me feel I am there. Can't say that
for most I have seen.
Gary
Souderton=2C Pa.
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| Subject: | Re: New Video... |
Kolbers ... console yourselves with what you have: the grass is not greener
on the other side of the prop!!
At TOK Aircraft company we made several tractor prototypes before the
TwinStars as our first attempt at 2 seaters.
WE did not like the following about (our) tractors:
Prop turbulence
Exhaust smells
Reduced visibility
Being congenitally joined to a windshield - yes we did try flying without a
windshield and it isn't much fun either.
A little extra noise seems a very small price to pay to be rid of all the
above.
Dennis
PS I still have 2 of the tractors; I rescued them from the trash heap when
Homer was in one of his cleaning-up / throwing out modes.
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Video...
Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet.
Maybe just polite neighbors.
I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?
BB, MkIII, suzuki
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At 10:24 PM 9/2/2011, Gary Thacker wrote:
>Yeah I saw one of those. I can't imagine the prop wash on a open cockpit
>tractor.
From what I've heard (never flown one), it's not that bad. Once you're at
flying speed it's only about 5-10 mph faster in the prop wash than the free
stream velocity.
-Dana
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Here's my friends Weedhopper !!!
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
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