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3. 04:00 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (robert bean)
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5. 06:21 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Bob)
6. 07:01 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (HShack@aol.com)
7. 07:11 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Daniel Myers)
8. 07:50 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop ()
9. 08:03 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Daniel Myers)
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| Subject: | rain tolerant prop |
I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there we.oboteh flew
our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a t-storm just to the
west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain on the way. 1/2 hour or so
after landing the T-storm moved onto the field so the hosts were magnanimous
helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar until the T-storm passed. We had
a very good lunch but the turn out was poor due Wx. I checked radar and it looked
like a short break before the next one would arrive, so we headed back north
to BB's place and flew in the light rain most of the way. with BB's help I
topped my tank and headed west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having
to take circuitous route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed south
of my intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit. Still
I had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the
storm.
As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the outermost
8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was not too bad
and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful Tennessee prop with inlaid
leading edge protection which I think is polyurethane, and very very hard.
My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has the
very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular
basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid.
I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers,
but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have
flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351982#351982
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>From the tune.. "as the days dwindle down", and the opportunities for attending
events wane, Thom R. and I headed to the Geneseo
chicken and corn feed. Pleasant ride down and good friends and food at our destination,
but soon a monster black cloud gathered
directly over the big hangar and we and our Kolbs were nicely given shelter. We
waited out the lightening strikes and hail stones and
watching Thom's weather app on his phone, made a break out of there between two
cells. First time I have flown my MkIII in real rain
and it kept me dry.
Maybe Thom has a pic to post.
This evening, strolling up the road with my dog , I watched the Geneseo B-17 make
a detour near my house, returning from a New England
event.
BB
MkIII, suzuki.
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Great minds.... almost qualifies as a double post - simultaneously.
BB
On 11, Sep 2011, at 6:46 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there we.oboteh
flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a t-storm just to the
west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain on the way. 1/2 hour or
so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field so the hosts were magnanimous
helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar until the T-storm passed. We had
a very good lunch but the turn out was poor due Wx. I checked radar and it
looked like a short break before the next one would arrive, so we headed back
north to BB's place and flew in the light rain most of the way. with BB's help
I topped my tank and headed west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having
to take circuitous route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed
south of my intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit.
Still I had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the
storm.
>
> As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the outermost
8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was not too bad
and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful Tennessee prop with
inlaid leading edge protection which I think is polyurethane, and very very hard.
My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has
the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular
basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid.
>
> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers,
but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have
flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
> Truth is what stands the test of experience.
> - Albert Einstein
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351982#351982
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
On 09/11/2011 05:46 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle"<riddletr@gmail.com>
>
> I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there we.oboteh
flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a t-storm just to the
west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain on the way. 1/2 hour or
so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field so the hosts were magnanimous
helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar until the T-storm passed. We had
a very good lunch but the turn out was poor due Wx. I checked radar and it
looked like a short break before the next one would arrive, so we headed back
north to BB's place and flew in the light rain most of the way. with BB's help
I topped my tank and headed west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having
to take circuitous route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed
south of my intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit.
Still I had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the
storm.
>
> As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the outermost
8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was not too bad
and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful Tennessee prop with
inlaid leading edge protection which I think is polyurethane, and very very hard.
My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has
the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular
basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid.
>
> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers,
but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have
flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
> Truth is what stands the test of experience.
> - Albert Einstein
Metal.
I know you can't really do that, but there you go. :-)
The urethane leading edges on props I've flown on larger planes are
not that hard; you can dent them slightly with your fingernail, but the
dent doesn't remain. I've never seen rain damage on the urethane, but
I've had the wood leading edge erode inboard (toward the hub) of where
the urethane stopped.
FWIW,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
In the world of Apache and Blackhawk main rotor blades...and most other
helicopters the best urethanes work great in desert sands, but fail rapidly
(a few hours) in heavy rain. Titanium, nickel or stainless abrasion strips
work great in rain, but degrades after a few hundred "brown out"' landings.
If you fly out of Bagram you put urethane tape over the metal abrasion
strips....If you fly out of Ft. Rucker ...no urethane..just the OEM metal
abrasion strip..From my experience, urethane or fiberglass blade tips
operating in rain means regular replacement of the protective tape.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: robert bean
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop
Great minds.... almost qualifies as a double post - simultaneously.
BB
On 11, Sep 2011, at 6:46 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there
> we.oboteh flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a
> t-storm just to the west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain
> on the way. 1/2 hour or so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field
> so the hosts were magnanimous helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar
> until the T-storm passed. We had a very good lunch but the turn out was
> poor due Wx. I checked radar and it looked like a short break before the
> next one would arrive, so we headed back north to BB's place and flew in
> the light rain most of the way. with BB's help I topped my tank and headed
> west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having to take circuitous
> route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed south of my
> intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit. Still I
> had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the
> storm.
>
> As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the
> outermost 8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was
> not too bad and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful
> Tennessee prop with inlaid leading edge protection which I think is
> polyurethane, and very very hard. My question is this, if I ever have to
> replace this prop, which prop has the very best resistance to rain damage?
> I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular basis, but sometimes it is
> difficult to avoid.
>
> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different
> manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those
> who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated
> opinion.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
> Truth is what stands the test of experience.
> - Albert Einstein
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351982#351982
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
A guy in our club flew a MkIII on floats with over 900 takeoffs & landings
[water]; the prop was a Hot Prop [formerly Kiev Prop]. There was no
discernable wear on the prop. There is a lot of spray with water operations.
He now has Hot Props on all 3 of his planes.
Hot Prop has a bronze leading edge.
In a message dated 9/11/2011 6:48:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
riddletr@gmail.com writes:
My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has
the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a
regular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid.
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
warp drive with nickel leading edge is the answer. Period
Thanks,
Daniel Myers
Cell: 407 920 7700
SouthEastAmphibs.com
On Sep 11, 2011, at 9:58 PM, HShack@aol.com wrote:
> A guy in our club flew a MkIII on floats with over 900 takeoffs & landings
[water]; the prop was a Hot Prop [formerly Kiev Prop]. There was no disce
rnable wear on the prop. There is a lot of spray with water operations.
>
> He now has Hot Props on all 3 of his planes.
>
> Hot Prop has a bronze leading edge.
>
> In a message dated 9/11/2011 6:48:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, riddletr@
gmail.com writes:
> My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has t
he very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a r
egular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers,
but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have
flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of Aerothane
paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail section over
the years and hours.
My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading edges.
Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and Alaska.
I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in Florida.
My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges worked pretty
good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the Warp Drive has.
john h
mkIII
Morgan, UT
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
John, all my flying is water flying. That's the best testament I can give to warp.
How many of us fly in rain anyways?
Thanks,
Daniel Myers
Cell: 407 920 7700
SouthEastAmphibs.com
On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:48 PM, <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers,
but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have
flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion.
>>
>> --------
>> Thom Riddle
>
>
> Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of Aerothane
paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail section over
the years and hours.
>
> My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading edges.
>
> Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and Alaska.
>
> I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in Florida.
>
> My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges worked pretty
good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the Warp Drive has.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Morgan, UT
>
>
>
>
>
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