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1. 04:28 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Richard Pike)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Rick Neilsen)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Richard Girard)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Strobe Light (willuribe@aol.com)
6. 01:03 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (willuribe@aol.com)
7. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle)
8. 02:19 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle)
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop
edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear
out this one in rain.
I need to do some better sealing around the SS canopy too if rain flying
becomes a habit. I did not get soaked but did get moist in a few select
places. Flip over canopies are more prone to leaks at the leading edge than
MkIII windshields with doors on the side.
Thom
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Daniel Myers <h20maule@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> John, all my flying is water flying. That's the best testament I can give
> to warp. How many of us fly in rain anyways?
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel Myers
> Cell: 407 920 7700
> SouthEastAmphibs.com
>
> On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:48 PM, <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> >> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different
> manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those
> who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated
> opinion.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Thom Riddle
> >
> >
> > Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of
> Aerothane paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail
> section over the years and hours.
> >
> > My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading
> edges.
> >
> > Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and
> Alaska.
> >
> > I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in
> Florida.
> >
> > My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges
> worked pretty good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the
> Warp Drive has.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Morgan, UT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Thom, I'm sure that the Warp is the toughest, but if you don't want to buy a new
prop, you might try the Powerfin Plastic prop tape, it works quite well and
is not expensive. I'm sure it would go over your urethane leading edge and work
ok, since it works ok on my IVO.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Thom
Warp Drive makes a very durable prop but may not be as efficient as you
existing prop. John Williamson had a Jabaru with a Warp Drive prop on his
Kolbra and it wasn't a happy combination. Others seem to do well with their
Jabarus on Kolbs using other props so I have to wonder if the Warp Drive
might a poor choice for the Jabiru.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop
> edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear
> out this one in rain.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Thom, Two suggestions to make your prop more rain tolerant. The first is
from a fellow I met at the Arlington Air Show a number of years ago. He was
flying a wood prop on his Varieze. His solution to rain erosion was to first
flatten the leading edge of the blade to about 1/4" wide, then build it back
up with JB Weld and re-contour. He said it provided excellent protection.
The second is a source of propeller tape. Pegasus Auto Racing supply sells
.011" thick urethane tape in 2" wide X 100' rolls that is suitable for
helicopter blades. $9.99.
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection3.asp?Product=3323
If you want clear tape they have .008" thick, too. A 2" X 108' roll is
$19.99. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection3.asp?Product=3155
Good folks to deal with.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thom
>
> Warp Drive makes a very durable prop but may not be as efficient as you
> existing prop. John Williamson had a Jabaru with a Warp Drive prop on his
> Kolbra and it wasn't a happy combination. Others seem to do well with their
> Jabarus on Kolbs using other props so I have to wonder if the Warp Drive
> might a poor choice for the Jabiru.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop
>> edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear
>> out this one in rain.
>>
>>
>> *
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>
> *
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe Light |
Greetings,
I installed Kuntzleman stobes on my FireStar II with the green and red forw
ard lights plus the white lights to the rear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipCx-kunt00
http://www.kestrobes.com/
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
El Paso, TX
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: Strobe Light
You guy's should be talking to Dick Kuntzleman. I have a pair of his that h
as been in use for 5 years with no problems.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage.
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Thanks, Richard. I took a fine file to the leading edge urethane and
smoothed it out easily and quickly. It was not damaged as much as I first
thought. I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial
material.
Thom
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
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> Thom, I'm sure that the Warp is the toughest, but if you don't want to buy
> a new prop, you might try the Powerfin Plastic prop tape, it works quite
> well and is not expensive. I'm sure it would go over your urethane leading
> edge and work ok, since it works ok on my IVO.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> --------
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
> seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352018#352018
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rain tolerant prop |
Thanks for the additional suggestions.
Will,
What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask is
that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to get
home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise.
Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 RPM
and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph
and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less
than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine.
In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to 65
mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph.
Thom
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, <willuribe@aol.com> wrote:
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> I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage.
> [image: rain.jpg]
>
>
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