---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/12/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Richard Pike) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Rick Neilsen) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Richard Girard) 5. 07:22 AM - Re: Strobe Light (willuribe@aol.com) 6. 01:03 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (willuribe@aol.com) 7. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle) 8. 02:19 PM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:34 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear out this one in rain. I need to do some better sealing around the SS canopy too if rain flying becomes a habit. I did not get soaked but did get moist in a few select places. Flip over canopies are more prone to leaks at the leading edge than MkIII windshields with doors on the side. Thom On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Daniel Myers wrote: > > John, all my flying is water flying. That's the best testament I can give > to warp. How many of us fly in rain anyways? > > Thanks, > Daniel Myers > Cell: 407 920 7700 > SouthEastAmphibs.com > > On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:48 PM, wrote: > > > > > > >> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different > manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those > who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated > opinion. > >> > >> -------- > >> Thom Riddle > > > > > > Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of > Aerothane paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail > section over the years and hours. > > > > My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading > edges. > > > > Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and > Alaska. > > > > I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in > Florida. > > > > My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges > worked pretty good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the > Warp Drive has. > > > > john h > > mkIII > > Morgan, UT > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: rain tolerant prop From: "Richard Pike" Thom, I'm sure that the Warp is the toughest, but if you don't want to buy a new prop, you might try the Powerfin Plastic prop tape, it works quite well and is not expensive. I'm sure it would go over your urethane leading edge and work ok, since it works ok on my IVO. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352018#352018 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop From: Rick Neilsen Thom Warp Drive makes a very durable prop but may not be as efficient as you existing prop. John Williamson had a Jabaru with a Warp Drive prop on his Kolbra and it wasn't a happy combination. Others seem to do well with their Jabarus on Kolbs using other props so I have to wonder if the Warp Drive might a poor choice for the Jabiru. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop > edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear > out this one in rain. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop From: Richard Girard Thom, Two suggestions to make your prop more rain tolerant. The first is from a fellow I met at the Arlington Air Show a number of years ago. He was flying a wood prop on his Varieze. His solution to rain erosion was to first flatten the leading edge of the blade to about 1/4" wide, then build it back up with JB Weld and re-contour. He said it provided excellent protection. The second is a source of propeller tape. Pegasus Auto Racing supply sells .011" thick urethane tape in 2" wide X 100' rolls that is suitable for helicopter blades. $9.99. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection3.asp?Product=3323 If you want clear tape they have .008" thick, too. A 2" X 108' roll is $19.99. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection3.asp?Product=3155 Good folks to deal with. Rick Girard On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > Thom > > Warp Drive makes a very durable prop but may not be as efficient as you > existing prop. John Williamson had a Jabaru with a Warp Drive prop on his > Kolbra and it wasn't a happy combination. Others seem to do well with their > Jabarus on Kolbs using other props so I have to wonder if the Warp Drive > might a poor choice for the Jabiru. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > >> Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop >> edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear >> out this one in rain. >> >> >> * > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Strobe Light From: willuribe@aol.com Greetings, I installed Kuntzleman stobes on my FireStar II with the green and red forw ard lights plus the white lights to the rear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipCx-kunt00 http://www.kestrobes.com/ Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II El Paso, TX From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serve r(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Strobe Light You guy's should be talking to Dick Kuntzleman. I have a pair of his that h as been in use for 5 years with no problems. Larry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop From: willuribe@aol.com I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:29 PM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: rain tolerant prop Thanks, Richard. I took a fine file to the leading edge urethane and smoothed it out easily and quickly. It was not damaged as much as I first thought. I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial material. Thom On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Thom, I'm sure that the Warp is the toughest, but if you don't want to buy > a new prop, you might try the Powerfin Plastic prop tape, it works quite > well and is not expensive. I'm sure it would go over your urethane leading > edge and work ok, since it works ok on my IVO. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > -------- > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not > seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352018#352018 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:24 PM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Thanks for the additional suggestions. Will, What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask is that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to get home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise. Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 RPM and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine. In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to 65 mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph. Thom On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, wrote: > > I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. > [image: rain.jpg] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.