---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/13/11: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:40 AM - intro and request (Lee Morgan) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: intro and request (Richard Girard) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (willuribe@aol.com) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN) 6. 07:45 AM - Re: rain tolerant prop () 7. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: rain tolerant prop (Thom Riddle) 8. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: rain tolerant prop (robert bean) 9. 03:13 PM - Re: intro and request (gliderx5@comcast.net) 10. 05:34 PM - Re: intro and request (gliderx5@comcast.net) 11. 06:51 PM - New FireStar II Owner (FIRESTARII) 12. 07:10 PM - Re: New FireStar II Owner (Herb) 13. 07:27 PM - Re: New FireStar II Owner (Richard Girard) 14. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: rain tolerant prop (Ron @ KFHU) 15. 09:59 PM - Re: New FireStar II Owner (Beauford) 16. 10:58 PM - Re: New FireStar II Owner (Renee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:01 AM PST US From: "Lee Morgan" Subject: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi, I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has been a hanger queen for some years. I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts. I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that someone would share. Thanks for any help. Lee.. currently flying a CGS Hawk Classic with a 532 rotax. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro and request From: Richard Girard Lee, Where are you located? Rick Girard On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Lee Morgan wrote: > Hi,**** > > I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has > been a hanger queen for some years.**** > > I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage > section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone ** > ** > > on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my > system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts.**** > > I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that > someone would share.**** > > Thanks for any help.**** > > Lee..**** > > currently flying a CGS Hawk Classic with a 532 rotax.**** > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop From: willuribe@aol.com Thom, It is a 62" 3 blade IVO Prop and in the picture the EIS is showing 6330 RPM s Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II El Paso, TX But next month I will be working in Tonowanda, NY -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Thanks for the additional suggestions. Will, What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask is that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to g et home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise. Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 R PM and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine. In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to 65 mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph. Thom On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, wrote: I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:33 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Will, Based on your numbers, assuming you have 2.58:1 gearbox and you are flying at 65 mph airspeed, then your prop tip speed is about 517 mph under those conditions. Based on your data and mine (admittedly small sample) about 520 mph or thereabouts seems to be the limit of at least composites before rain begins to cause damage. Thom On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:41 AM, wrote: > Thom, > > > It is a 62" 3 blade IVO Prop and in the picture the EIS is showing 6330 > RPMs > > Regards, > Will Uribe > FireStar II > El Paso, TX > But next month I will be working in Tonowanda, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thom Riddle > To: kolb-list > Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:19 pm > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop > > Thanks for the additional suggestions. > > Will, > What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask > is that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to > get home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise. > Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 RPM > and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph > and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less > than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine. > > In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to > 65 mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph. > > Thom > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, wrote: > >> >> I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. >> >> >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: rain tolerant prop From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" << I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial material. Thom >> Thom R - Where can you get Powerfin tape these days? I thought the company went out of business. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul Sandia Park, NM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:58 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Based on your data and mine (admittedly small sample) about 520 > mph or thereabouts seems to be the limit of at least composites before rain > begins to cause damage. > > Thom Without the protection of the nickle steel leading edge, rain will eat up a Warp Drive solid carbon fiber prop blade. In the old days, WD was limited to a 12" steAel edge. During my first flight to Alaska, in 1994, I ended up flying in hours of very heavy rain. When I landed at Arlington, WA, a gent named Bob, that worked for WD, told me to fix the erosion with JB Weld or I was going to blow a steel edge off. Rain had erroded a couple inches inboard of the steel edge, plus was trying to lift the inboard end of it. Did a field expedient repair on the airfield with avgas, a plastic picnic knife, and some sandpaper. Today, WD has the technology to use 15" nickle steel leading edges. This takes care of that small area that was not protected by the old 12" edges. john h mkIII Morgan, UT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:59 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: rain tolerant prop Denis, It did go out of business but someone bought them out and started selling them again, about a year ago or perhaps a little longer. I have not checked in recent months so don't know if they are still afloat. Google should tell you. Thom On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN < Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> wrote: > << I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial > material. Thom >>**** > > ** ** > > Thom R - Where can you get Powerfin tape these days? I thought the company > went out of business.**** > > ** ** > > Dennis Kirby**** > > Mark-3, 912ul**** > > Sandia Park, NM**** > > ** ** > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:34 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: rain tolerant prop Dennis, I once bought some "authentic" prop tape which turned out to too old to adhere to anything, so I bought some heavy packing tape which worked very well. I don't remember what brand it was so you may have to buy more than one roll. Since it comes two inches wide you will have to cut it down the middle. One inch seems to be a perfect width. Stick the center on the leading edge at the middle first, then press down the curved edge (rear on a kolb:) and last, the flat side. The tape on my warp is starting to look a little ratty near the tips now so I should think about redoing them next spring. BB On 13, Sep 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN wrote: > << I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial material. Thom >> > > Thom R - Where can you get Powerfin tape these days? I thought the company went out of business. > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, 912ul > Sandia Park, NM > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:53 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi Lee If you are recovering the fuselage it's a good time to put in a larger fuel tank (depending what you currently have of course). I replaced my 5 gallon with a 10 gallon poly dune buggy tank. It worked out very well. I can send pictures if it would help. Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Morgan" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:36:30 AM Subject: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi, I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has been a hanger queen for some years. I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts. I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that someone would share. Thanks for any help. Lee.. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:31 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro and request I just put some pictures of the tank installation on my web site. It's about half way down the page. Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: gliderx5@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:11:20 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi Lee If you are recovering the fuselage it's a good time to put in a larger fuel tank (depending what you currently have of course). I replaced my 5 gallon with a 10 gallon poly dune buggy tank. It worked out very well. I can send pictures if it would help. Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Morgan" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:36:30 AM Subject: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi, I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has been a hanger queen for some years. I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts. I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that someone would share. Thanks for any help. Lee.. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: New FireStar II Owner From: "FIRESTARII" :D Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. To date I have logged a little over 40 hours in the airplane and thats in less than a month of ownership! I have flown many, many different airplanes and have logged a little over 9800 hours. I currently hold a first class medical, an ATP with a type in the EMB-145, an ME-CFII and all the other ratings that go alone with that! The FSII by far the most fun, easiest to fly, and rewarding aircraft I have flown to date. Since my purchase I have installed new much larger tires in order to get in and out of my meager 600' strip at my farm in southern Ohio. I also installed the Stol Speed VG's and the difference, although not "profound", is noticeable and significant and I would recommend them to any Kolb owner. The low speed handling and feel was dramatically improved and the stall, although alrealy mild became a very predictable "mush", both power on and off. The reason for my post is the airplane is equipped with the 3 blade IVO quick adjust prop and, because I am spoiled, I want an in-flight, constant speed, adjustable prop. IVO offers this but only at a steep price. I am curious if any body has had experience with this set up and weather or not its worth the weight and complexity penalty. As far as flight conditions go I almost always have one of my two boys with me or my "Hot Wife"(who, surprisingly absolutely loves the airplane) so I fly fairly heavy off an otherwise very short strip. The prop, not sure of the actual pitch, is set with a max static RPM of 6800 so its pure TO/CLIMB and cruise suffers some what. I would like a happy medium and/or that adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO offers. Any input/advise would really be appreciated. Thanks everybody and I really enjoy all your post(religious or not) the information really helped me after the purchase of my airplane. -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352221#352221 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:09 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FireStar II Owner I have a three blade in air adjustable ivo...for 503 and 582...Half price...Herb At 08:49 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote: > >:D Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just >south of Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. To >date I have logged a little over 40 hours in the airplane and thats >in less than a month of ownership! I have flown many, many >different airplanes and have logged a little over 9800 hours. I >currently hold a first class medical, an ATP with a type in the >EMB-145, an ME-CFII and all the other ratings that go alone with >that! The FSII by far the most fun, easiest to fly, and rewarding >aircraft I have flown to date. Since my purchase I have installed >new much larger tires in order to get in and out of my meager 600' >strip at my farm in southern Ohio. I also installed the Stol Speed >VG's and the difference, although not "profound", is noticeable and >significant and I would recommend them to any Kolb owner. The low >speed handling and feel was dramatically improved and the stall, >although alrealy mild became a very predictable "mush", both p! > ower on and off. The reason for my post is the airplane is > equipped with the 3 blade IVO quick adjust prop and, because I am > spoiled, I want an in-flight, constant speed, adjustable prop. IVO > offers this but only at a steep price. I am curious if any body > has had experience with this set up and weather or not its worth > the weight and complexity penalty. As far as flight conditions go > I almost always have one of my two boys with me or my "Hot > Wife"(who, surprisingly absolutely loves the airplane) so I fly > fairly heavy off an otherwise very short strip. The prop, not sure > of the actual pitch, is set with a max static RPM of 6800 so its > pure TO/CLIMB and cruise suffers some what. I would like a happy > medium and/or that adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO > offers. Any input/advise would really be appreciated. Thanks > everybody and I really enjoy all your post(religious or not) the > information really helped me after the purchase of my airplane. > >-------- >Low and Slow FireStar II > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352221#352221 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FireStar II Owner From: Richard Girard Seth, You didn't say what engine you have so forgive me if I assume wrong, but I would guess either a 447 or 503 Rotax. At any rate a two stroke. If you install an inflight adjustable prop you're going to find yourself chasing CHT and EGT readings all over the map because the prop is part of the intake and exhaust tuning on a two stroke. If you increase pitch you'll find your CHT readings going high, if you set the base for an ultra climb setting, the CHT's will drop but the EGT readings will go high. I am not a fan of IVO props. I've had both a two blade and three blade on a 447 powered trike and a 377 powered Minimax respectively. They don't seem to have much quality control over either how the crank is welded on the wire or how it's anchored in the blade. I honestly don't know which is the case, but when I put my Warp Drive propeller protractor on either of them I never found two blades the same. Both props had a one degree variation in pitch between the blades and with their system you cannot adjust it out. I also found I had to machine the blocks on the two blade to make them equal to the prop thickness otherwise the aluminum cover plate had to bend in order to contact the blades. My 2 cents. Rick Girard On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM, FIRESTARII wrote: > > :D Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of > Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. To date I have > logged a little over 40 hours in the airplane and thats in less than a month > of ownership! I have flown many, many different airplanes and have logged a > little over 9800 hours. I currently hold a first class medical, an ATP with > a type in the EMB-145, an ME-CFII and all the other ratings that go alone > with that! The FSII by far the most fun, easiest to fly, and rewarding > aircraft I have flown to date. Since my purchase I have installed new much > larger tires in order to get in and out of my meager 600' strip at my farm > in southern Ohio. I also installed the Stol Speed VG's and the difference, > although not "profound", is noticeable and significant and I would recommend > them to any Kolb owner. The low speed handling and feel was dramatically > improved and the stall, although alrealy mild became a very predictable > "mush", both p! > ower on and off. The reason for my post is the airplane is equipped with > the 3 blade IVO quick adjust prop and, because I am spoiled, I want an > in-flight, constant speed, adjustable prop. IVO offers this but only at a > steep price. I am curious if any body has had experience with this set up > and weather or not its worth the weight and complexity penalty. As far as > flight conditions go I almost always have one of my two boys with me or my > "Hot Wife"(who, surprisingly absolutely loves the airplane) so I fly fairly > heavy off an otherwise very short strip. The prop, not sure of the actual > pitch, is set with a max static RPM of 6800 so its pure TO/CLIMB and cruise > suffers some what. I would like a happy medium and/or that > adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO offers. Any input/advise would > really be appreciated. Thanks everybody and I really enjoy all your > post(religious or not) the information really helped me after the purchase > of my airplane. > > -------- > Low and Slow FireStar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352221#352221 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:02 PM PST US From: "Ron @ KFHU" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: rain tolerant prop This is a little off the top, so hold on to your hats, but since I know that my Alum prop handles rain pretty well, in fact its not an issue that ever came up, why not place an alum prop on the M3 sized Kolbs for the rainy day fliers. I have not looked into the weight penalty and all of the rest of it, but .... ? Has anyone tried it at all, a two blade Sensenitch as goes on a C-150, maybe? Everybody relax just wondering out loud. Furiously digging a fox hole. :-) Ron @ KFHU ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:05 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FireStar II Owner Brother Miller: Welcome to the list... You are certainly well qualified, Sir. I am what's left of Beauford, and I do my best to operate a FireFly with a 447. For ratings, I currently hold a Florida driver's license backed up with a moderately oversized prostate. The FS II is a sweetheart and I bet you will have a lot of fun with her; Congrats. You didn't mention your engine... so will assume you have either a 447 or 503 2-stroke Rotax. Re your prop... 6,800 static sounds a tad high...6,800 is 447/503 redline and only for one minute... so that setting will likely put you well over redline on full throttle climb.... and the 2-strokes do need to climb wide open to get the extra cooling from the rich mixture. Most folks seem to like them set somewhere around 62 or 63 hundred static.... which will let it run at somewhere just below redline wide open in level flight. Having a little heavier prop loading will also help out with your EGT's, which are likely to be running a bit on the toasty side right now with that light prop loading. There are some really good 2-strokers on this here list... and I don't claim to be one of 'em... But if you haven't fooled around with these pesky little engines before, you are about to have a whole new world open before your bewildered eyes... There is a 4-way devil dance between CHT, EGT, carb setup and the IVO...all done on the edge of a razor blade. Once a delicate truce is established among these warring parties, most of the two-stroke people I know tend to tiptoe around and speak in hushed tones when near the Rotax lest the sleeping dragon awake and exact some perverse 2-stroke vengeance upon their body or their wallet. Changes to any one of the four factors is likely to cause a change in one or more of the others, so I am not sure how well a variable pitch prop would work... you could well have some unintended consequences. Might be worth a trip through the Kolb List archives to see what you can find on this, or even calling some of the Rotax sales & service folks for their opinions. In the meantime, I don't think you would go wrong by backing that IVO center screw out a bit and loading the engine up some... down below redline anyway. Worth what ye paid fer it... 2-steppin' beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:49 PM Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. Any input/advise would really be appreciated-------- Low and Slow FireStar II ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:19 PM PST US From: Renee Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FireStar II Owner Hi Seth. Welcome I am a previous owner of a firestar kxp with 337 and wood prop. Currently have a rans s14, 503, ivo 3 blade. I agree with the idea that increasing pitch will decrease egt only because it increases loading and not tuning. Want proof (get ready for a blown engine), try a powered decent. Very easy to do wrong and i have always been advised against it. I am a strong believer of two concepts though. Recommeded carb jetting and a grand rapids eis. Then play with pitch as much as you want and monitor for changes in egt and cht. Now in my humble opinion, 6800 static is too high. It means you cant go full throttle on takeoff without exceeding max rpm, therefore a wasted range of throttle. I would want 6500 to 6800 on climb out with full throttle myself if i were pitching for a climb prop ( i prefer about 6200 static to get 6500 on climbout. For cruise pitch, maybe closer to 6200 on climbout( my preference for the rans due to high vne). On a legal note, i dont know if your registration is elsa or amatuer built. If it is elsa, and faa finds out you ever had a in flight adjustable on it, they can void the certificate. I only bring it up here because of the number of errors i see on ads for sale as i shop for a kolbra or mark III, prefer xtra elsa. Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:56 PM, "Beauford " wrote: > > Brother Miller: > > Welcome to the list... You are certainly well qualified, Sir. > I am what's left of Beauford, and I do my best to operate a FireFly with a > 447. > > For ratings, I currently hold a Florida driver's license backed up with a > moderately > oversized prostate. > > The FS II is a sweetheart and I bet you will have a lot of fun with her; > Congrats. > > You didn't mention your engine... so will assume you have either a 447 or > 503 2-stroke Rotax. > > Re your prop... 6,800 static sounds a tad high...6,800 is 447/503 redline > and only for one minute... so that setting will likely put you well over > redline on full throttle climb.... and the 2-strokes do need to climb wide > open to get the extra cooling from the rich mixture. > > Most folks seem to like them set somewhere around 62 or 63 hundred > static.... which will let it run at somewhere just below redline > wide open in level flight. Having a little heavier prop loading will also > help out with your EGT's, which are likely to be running a bit > on the toasty side right now with that light prop loading. > > There are some really good 2-strokers on this here list... and I don't claim > to be one of 'em... But if you haven't fooled around with these pesky > little > engines before, you are about to have a whole new world open before your > bewildered eyes... There is a 4-way devil dance between CHT, EGT, carb > setup and the IVO...all done on the edge of a razor blade. Once a delicate > truce is established among these warring parties, most of the two-stroke > people I know tend to tiptoe around and speak in hushed tones when near the > Rotax lest the sleeping dragon awake and exact some perverse > 2-stroke vengeance upon their body or their wallet. Changes to any one of > the four factors is likely to cause a change in one or more of the others, > so > I am not sure how well a variable pitch prop would work... you could well > have some unintended consequences. > > Might be worth a trip through the Kolb List archives to see what you can > find on this, or even calling some of the Rotax sales & service folks for > their > opinions. In the meantime, I don't think you would go wrong by backing > that IVO center screw out a bit and loading the engine up some... down below > redline anyway. > > > Worth what ye paid fer it... > > 2-steppin' beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:49 PM > > > Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of > Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. > > Any input/advise would really be appreciated-------- > Low and Slow FireStar II > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.