---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/15/11: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 PM - (Gary Aman) 2. 03:01 PM - Re: Single Liftstrut for FireFly... message for undoctor (Don G) 3. 03:29 PM - Re: Single Liftstrut for FireFly... message for undoctor (Don G) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: From: Gary Aman Low N slow, Welcome to the Kolb World.There are a couple of us Kolb flyers in the area. Look up 1D4,just between CAK and AKR,2300 ' of grass.My MK3C flies out of t his field.We are off to a fly in or breakfast at least every flyable Saturd ay.Wadsworth (3G3) has got to be close for you.Breakfast and lunch there on the 17th,or fly up to ,Geauga County(7G8).We have 3 restaurants near runwa ys with-in 30 mins of us.We are just your speed! G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 670hrs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Single Liftstrut for FireFly... message for undoctor From: "Don G" Henry, I am afraid about all I can offer is these photos, as the details of the strut mod has escaped my memory. I cant believe it has been almost 9 years since I began that firefly..Oct 2002...whew! I can tell you I remember discussing it with Dennis Sauder to get any tips, and what it might do to the performance. Also his verification that the reason the firefly had the 2 strut design was to increase drag..to help get past the FAA's requirements and meet part 103 according to some formula they use. Anyway..it made a huge difference in speed. After consulting with Dennis..I realized what potential that craft has, and I decided to enclose the rear cage also..and undertake various other drag reduction mods an so on..it raised the top speed of that craft so much no one would believe it , so I didnt brag on it much for fear of the disbelief it would bring anyway. I will mention this, should you proceed with this project, it is very critical to get the airframe in the "in flight attitude" and align the struts with the airflow/airstream..NOT the airframe...for maximum relief from drag. if you dont, those streamline struts will act like flaps...which they do BTW in slow speed nose up attitudes. -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352416#352416 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/strutend4_165.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/strutend_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/strutend2_204.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/strutbot_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/strutend3_211.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Single Liftstrut for FireFly... message for undoctor From: "Don G" Henry, I looked back in the archives just now..didnt spend too much time there but I did find this..relating to Dennis Souder and my conversation about the Firefly..not alot of details bu it will give you a date to narrow down the search..which was march of 05. Unfortunately my builders site was at Geocities..and as most know they are defunct..I have most of the photos on discs I think...somewhere.... (Copied from archives) Don, What can I say ... very impressive design changes and craftsmanship! Actually, not to worry, Dennis doesn't cringe over such things. Things that have caused Dennis to cringe have been things like a VW installed in a Kolb Flyer. Yes that's right - not a Soob in an UltraStar (although that does carry some cringe factor too) - but a Flyer. Luckily I talked him about of the VW, but lo and behold next time I visited he had 4 Chrysler West Bend engines installed. Just had to have 4 cylinders, it would seem. Reminiscent of that game wack-a-mole ... kept bopping away at the cylinders and they would just pop up elsewhere else! Listening to Aubrey Radford talk about his flying at SNF caused me to cringe, to say nothing about hearing about what happened later. Oh yea, watching that old Kolb video with the aerobatics causes me to cringe too. The FireFly was just an original FireStar attacked by a huge pair of snips. Homer's turn to cringe! Engine was too tough to cut, so we kept that intact. Thanks for the FF tour! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Update and Mods.. > > Well everyone.....I have updated my Website a little..to reflect the mods > that are taking place. > Here is a link to page 14...the enclosure page..showing the method I used to > enclose the upper rear half of the cage..and the 10 gallon Challenger tank > is installed on page 15. The single strut mod is on a page labled strut mods > . Menu is on the bottom of each page. > > > ...My apoligies to Dennis Souder who's work on designing this bird still has > not been equaled in this industry. It probably makes Dennis cringe when he > sees a great airplane like the FireFly all messed up like this..If I > designed this airplane..it probably would make me feel that away!...So > Dennis..you better not look at these pages pard. You have been awfully > helpful, cordial and respectful to me..and I think you designed the best > ultralight in the industry!...and...I believe it still is even after several > years! Hard to believe no body has done it since. > > > here is a link to page 14 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/enclosure.htm > > > Don G > -------- Don G. 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