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Thu 09/29/11


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     1. 05:42 AM - Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri (stogie6)
     2. 12:07 PM - Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (zeus627)
     3. 12:33 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (Michael Welch)
     4. 02:26 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (Richard Girard)
     5. 03:12 PM - Defective fuel pickup (Richard Pike)
     6. 03:22 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (Richard Pike)
     7. 03:29 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (robert bean)
     8. 04:05 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Thom Riddle)
     9. 04:17 PM - gotta sell the ultrastar (masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
    10. 06:00 PM - A Visionary with a Far Reaching Mind (Dennis Thate)
    11. 06:09 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
    12. 06:58 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (John Hauck)
    13. 07:32 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Dana Hague)
    14. 08:41 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (b young)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:42:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri
    From: "stogie6" <djones@fisherarnold.com>
    Dennis can be reached by cell phone (901)356-1439 or email at dlong1957@yahoo.com. I have a Kolb Firestar KXP that I keep at Colonial Airpark just east of the Olive Branch, MS airport. My email is djones@dfjarchitect.com or cell number (901) 493-8296. I transitioned from a Piper Cherokee 140/150 to this wonderful airplane! Call me or Dennis and we will talk your ears off about it! David F. Jones Kolb Firestar KXP N71RB -------- David F. Jones Kolb KXP N71RB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353508#353508


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    Time: 12:07:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing
    From: "zeus627" <brad@mykcwireless.com>
    I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between the top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III Xtra has a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does anybody know if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available for the Classic? I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass, but only as a last resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out of aluminum, lexan, or something else? I've tried a couple of things like weatherstripping, but it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's coming, and I'm trying to seal up the openings. Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353545#353545


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    Time: 12:33:10 PM PST US
    From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing
    Brad, The fairing required for the 'windshield and the center gap' for the Xtra and the older MkIII aren't even close. The ONLY way to achieve what you are after is to make your own. Making it out of fiberglass is going to be the easiest way to make a smooth flow. You could make it out of other materials, but I think it would be more work to get the smooth contours in aluminum, Lexan, etc. I had to make my own fairing like you describe. It's not too hard, especially since it is a fairly small project. If you decide to go this route, contact me off-list, and I'll walk you through the steps I used. Mike Welch On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:05 PM, zeus627 wrote: > > I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between the top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III Xtra has a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does anybody know if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available for the Classic? I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass, but only as a last resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out of aluminum, lexan, or something else? I've tried a couple of things like weatherstripping, but it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's coming, and I'm trying to seal up the openings. Thanks.


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    Time: 02:26:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    It IS cheesy, but it works and you can make it in 5 minutes or less for $5 or less. Get a piece of foam pipe insulation of the largest diameter you can find, get a bread knife and start carving. A 10 foot piece will give you at least three tries, six if you're careful. Use double back tape to hold it on. Although cheesy, if you spend a little time on it you can make it fit and look good. It has the advantage of being able to take it off easily in the summer when that air flowing into a hot cockpit is pretty nice. Rick Girard On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Brad, > > The fairing required for the 'windshield and the center gap' for the Xtra > and the older MkIII > aren't even close. > > The ONLY way to achieve what you are after is to make your own. Making it > out of fiberglass is > going to be the easiest way to make a smooth flow. You could make it out > of other materials, but I think it > would be more work to get the smooth contours in aluminum, Lexan, etc. > > I had to make my own fairing like you describe. It's not too hard, > especially since it is a fairly small project. > > If you decide to go this route, contact me off-list, and I'll walk you > through the steps I used. > > Mike Welch > > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:05 PM, zeus627 wrote: > > > > > I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between > the top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III > Xtra has a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does > anybody know if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available > for the Classic? I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass, > but only as a last resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out > of aluminum, lexan, or something else? I've tried a couple of things like > weatherstripping, but it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's > coming, and I'm trying to seal up the openings. Thanks. > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 03:12:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Defective fuel pickup
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank was full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft Spruce sells as #05-01031. Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work bench and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger strainer type pickup. In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted 30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event. The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if the ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353561#353561 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200766_large_128.jpg


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    Time: 03:22:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Here's how we did the FSII. Taped a piece of paper on and trimmed to shape, did it again with aluminum flashing, when that was right, made the real one out of thin aluminum sheet. Since the MKIII windshield swings a bigger arc, not sure how it would work, or even if it would work, but for what it's worth.... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353562#353562 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200769_large_133.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200768_large_701.jpg


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    Time: 03:29:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Defective fuel pickup
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Richard, I skipped the pickup filter idea. I take it you use a downward dip tube like I do, Mine is a straight copper tube, cut at an angle at the end that extends to within 1/4 -1/2" of the bottom. Any sludge, particles or water stays on the bottom of the tanks. I have yet to see any. The top/dip tube design avoids any problems with leakage and possible tank splits promoted by a hole in the bottom. My filter and pump are below the tanks. I have a small final filter just before the carb. BB MkIII, suzuki On 29, Sep 2011, at 6:10 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank was full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft Spruce sells as #05-01031. > > Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work bench and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger strainer type pickup. > > In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted 30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event. > > The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if the ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353561#353561 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200766_large_128.jpg > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:05:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Defective fuel pickup
    From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
    BB, Mine is very similar to yours except the filter is before both fuel pumps (in parallel). Never seen any crap or water in my filter or downstream thereof. Thom (sent from iPhone 4) On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:27 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > Richard, I skipped the pickup filter idea. I take it you use a downward dip tube like I do, > Mine is a straight copper tube, cut at an angle at the end that extends to within 1/4 -1/2" of the bottom. > Any sludge, particles or water stays on the bottom of the tanks. I have yet to see any. > > The top/dip tube design avoids any problems with leakage and possible tank splits promoted by a hole in the bottom. > My filter and pump are below the tanks. I have a small final filter just before the carb. > BB > MkIII, suzuki > > On 29, Sep 2011, at 6:10 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > >> >> This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank was full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft Spruce sells as #05-01031. >> >> Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work bench and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger strainer type pickup. >> >> In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted 30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event. >> >> The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if the ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original. >> >> -------- >> Richard Pike >> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org >> Kingsport, TN 3TN0 >> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. >> Hebrews 11:1 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353561#353561 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200766_large_128.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:17:38 PM PST US
    Subject: gotta sell the ultrastar
    From: masqqqqqqq@aol.com
    This time it's got to go.............. 1984 Kolb UltraStar. Needs new fabric covering. Rotax 447 with 2 b lade Precision prop and 4 blade Ultra Prop. Engine has undetermined hours, runs great but probably needs rebuilt. BRS parachute, past it's expiratio n date. Custom open trailer. 5 gallon seat tank and 3 gallon original tank s. Instrument pod with altimeter, air speed, rpm, dual exhaust temp, dual head temp. Matco hydraulic brakes. Delcom handheld radio. Comm helmet. Box of spare parts and stuff. Overweight for FAR 103, and I never did grandfather it up to Sport. No building records. $1,000.00 makes it go away. Located in central Wisc onsin. Richard Iverson 715 341 7584 masqqqqqqq@aol.com


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    Time: 06:00:37 PM PST US
    Subject: A Visionary with a Far Reaching Mind
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    A Visionary with a Far Reaching Mind As a kid I had developed a theory that because a farmer could build a silo 50-75 feet high without a permit he owned the airspace up to that altitude and should be able to build and fly an airplane that high without a license, Homer Kolb explained. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353572#353572


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    Time: 06:09:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Defective fuel pickup
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only two 2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas onboa rd I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in a nything that flys I like a gascolator much better Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII 582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank was ull. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered that he fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the in-t ank uel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft pruce sells as #05-01031. Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work ben ch nd smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will be eplacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical pi ckup rom the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger stra iner ype pickup. In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball heck valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check alve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs nto the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight last ed 0 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event. The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see i f the all check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original. -------- ichard Pike olb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ichard (at) bcchapel(dot)org ingsport, TN 3TN0 ow faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not s een. Hebrews 11:1 ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353561#353561 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200766_large_128.jpg -======================== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 06:58:27 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Defective fuel pickup
    Was surprised how small the mess was on the inlet screen. Very susceptible to blockage. I pull out of the bottom of my tank through a standard aviation mesh finger strainer, then through the facet pump which is lower than the bottom of the tank, and up through the fuel filter and into the engine driven pump on my 912. Have pumped around 15,500 gals through that system in the last 3,100+ hours without a problem. Can't remember when I did it, but I pulled the finger strainer a thousand hours or so ago. Found some pretty interesting stuff living on the strainer. Makes me wonder how I was able to get that much trash through the fuel filler. ;-) john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder Jr Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only two 2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas onboard I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in anything that flys I like a gascolator much better Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank was full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft Spruce sells as #05-01031. Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work bench and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger strainer type pickup. In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted 30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event. The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if the ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353561#353561 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1200766_large_128.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/p1200766_large_128.jpg> get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:32:36 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Defective fuel pickup
    At 09:06 PM 9/29/2011, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote: >I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only >two 2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas >onboard > I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in > anything that flys I like a gascolator much better I have a two check valves on my fuel tank vent. One lets air in at 1/2 psi during operation, the other lets air out at 6 psi so the tank doesn't balloon in the sunlight. Keeps the fuel fresh by limiting evaporation during storage. There is also a screen (not too fine) outside of the vent to keep bugs and such out. At the bottom of the tank is a finger strainer made from a brass tube a couple of inches long with lots of drilled holes, pressed into the Dapco valve that threads into the bottom of the [aluminum] tank. -Dana -- Welcome to the Federal Bureau for Reducing Bureaucracy!


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    Time: 08:41:44 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing
    http://brigham.net/~byoung/gapseal.html check out this sight, you can see the yellow faring between the windshield, and the gapseal leading edge. it started as a piece of aluminum roll that they make continuous rain gutter from. the last picture shows it from the inside, I used a hvac heating venting air conditioning vent crimping tool. by crimping at different levels of crimp, I was able to get the angle of the windshield to the flat bottom side of the gap seal. it was riveted to the windshield and the metal ring that shapes the windshield, and the bottom of the gap seal. which is installed permanently. boyd young mkiii utah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between the top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III Xtra has a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does anybody know if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available for the Classic? I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass, but only as a last resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out of aluminum, lexan, or something else? I've tried a couple of things like weatherstripping, but it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's coming, and I'm trying to seal up the openings. Thanks.




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