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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri (stogie6)
2. 12:07 PM - Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (zeus627)
3. 12:33 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (Michael Welch)
4. 02:26 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (Richard Girard)
5. 03:12 PM - Defective fuel pickup (Richard Pike)
6. 03:22 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (Richard Pike)
7. 03:29 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (robert bean)
8. 04:05 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Thom Riddle)
9. 04:17 PM - gotta sell the ultrastar (masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
10. 06:00 PM - A Visionary with a Far Reaching Mind (Dennis Thate)
11. 06:09 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
12. 06:58 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (John Hauck)
13. 07:32 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Dana Hague)
14. 08:41 PM - Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing (b young)
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Subject: | Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri |
Dennis can be reached by cell phone (901)356-1439 or email at dlong1957@yahoo.com.
I have a Kolb Firestar KXP that I keep at Colonial Airpark just east of the Olive
Branch, MS airport. My email is djones@dfjarchitect.com or cell number (901)
493-8296.
I transitioned from a Piper Cherokee 140/150 to this wonderful airplane!
Call me or Dennis and we will talk your ears off about it!
David F. Jones
Kolb Firestar KXP
N71RB
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Kolb KXP
N71RB
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Subject: | Windshield Gap Seal Fairing |
I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between the top
of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III Xtra has
a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does anybody know
if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available for the Classic?
I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass, but only as a last
resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out of aluminum, lexan,
or something else? I've tried a couple of things like weatherstripping, but it
doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's coming, and I'm trying to
seal up the openings. Thanks.
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Subject: | Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing |
Brad,
The fairing required for the 'windshield and the center gap' for the Xtra and
the older MkIII
aren't even close.
The ONLY way to achieve what you are after is to make your own. Making it out
of fiberglass is
going to be the easiest way to make a smooth flow. You could make it out of other
materials, but I think it
would be more work to get the smooth contours in aluminum, Lexan, etc.
I had to make my own fairing like you describe. It's not too hard, especially
since it is a fairly small project.
If you decide to go this route, contact me off-list, and I'll walk you through
the steps I used.
Mike Welch
On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:05 PM, zeus627 wrote:
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> I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between the
top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III Xtra has
a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does anybody know
if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available for the Classic?
I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass, but only as a last
resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out of aluminum, lexan,
or something else? I've tried a couple of things like weatherstripping, but
it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's coming, and I'm trying
to seal up the openings. Thanks.
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Subject: | Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing |
It IS cheesy, but it works and you can make it in 5 minutes or less for $5
or less. Get a piece of foam pipe insulation of the largest diameter you can
find, get a bread knife and start carving. A 10 foot piece will give you at
least three tries, six if you're careful. Use double back tape to hold it
on. Although cheesy, if you spend a little time on it you can make it fit
and look good.
It has the advantage of being able to take it off easily in the summer when
that air flowing into a hot cockpit is pretty nice.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>wrote:
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> Brad,
>
> The fairing required for the 'windshield and the center gap' for the Xtra
> and the older MkIII
> aren't even close.
>
> The ONLY way to achieve what you are after is to make your own. Making it
> out of fiberglass is
> going to be the easiest way to make a smooth flow. You could make it out
> of other materials, but I think it
> would be more work to get the smooth contours in aluminum, Lexan, etc.
>
> I had to make my own fairing like you describe. It's not too hard,
> especially since it is a fairly small project.
>
> If you decide to go this route, contact me off-list, and I'll walk you
> through the steps I used.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:05 PM, zeus627 wrote:
>
> >
> > I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between
> the top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III
> Xtra has a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does
> anybody know if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available
> for the Classic? I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass,
> but only as a last resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out
> of aluminum, lexan, or something else? I've tried a couple of things like
> weatherstripping, but it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's
> coming, and I'm trying to seal up the openings. Thanks.
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Defective fuel pickup |
This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII
N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank was
full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered
that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the
in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft
Spruce sells as #05-01031.
Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also
a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work bench
and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will
be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical
pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger
strainer type pickup.
In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball
check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check
valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs
into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted
30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event.
The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if the
ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing |
Here's how we did the FSII. Taped a piece of paper on and trimmed to shape, did
it again with aluminum flashing, when that was right, made the real one out of
thin aluminum sheet.
Since the MKIII windshield swings a bigger arc, not sure how it would work, or
even if it would work, but for what it's worth....
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Re: Defective fuel pickup |
Richard, I skipped the pickup filter idea. I take it you use a downward dip tube
like I do,
Mine is a straight copper tube, cut at an angle at the end that extends to within
1/4 -1/2" of the bottom.
Any sludge, particles or water stays on the bottom of the tanks. I have yet to
see any.
The top/dip tube design avoids any problems with leakage and possible tank splits
promoted by a hole in the bottom.
My filter and pump are below the tanks. I have a small final filter just before
the carb.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
On 29, Sep 2011, at 6:10 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII
N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank
was full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered
that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the
in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft
Spruce sells as #05-01031.
>
> Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is also
a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work bench
and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will
be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical
pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger
strainer type pickup.
>
> In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a ball
check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check
valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs
into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted
30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event.
>
> The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if
the ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Re: Defective fuel pickup |
BB,
Mine is very similar to yours except the filter is before both fuel pumps (in parallel).
Never seen any crap or water in my filter or downstream thereof.
Thom
(sent from iPhone 4)
On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:27 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Richard, I skipped the pickup filter idea. I take it you use a downward dip
tube like I do,
> Mine is a straight copper tube, cut at an angle at the end that extends to within
1/4 -1/2" of the bottom.
> Any sludge, particles or water stays on the bottom of the tanks. I have yet
to see any.
>
> The top/dip tube design avoids any problems with leakage and possible tank splits
promoted by a hole in the bottom.
> My filter and pump are below the tanks. I have a small final filter just before
the carb.
> BB
> MkIII, suzuki
>
> On 29, Sep 2011, at 6:10 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>>
>> This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of FSII
N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank
was full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered
that the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the
in-tank fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and
Aircraft Spruce sells as #05-01031.
>>
>> Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is
also a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work
bench and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I
will be replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical
pickup from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger
strainer type pickup.
>>
>> In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a
ball check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check
valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs
into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight lasted
30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event.
>>
>> The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if
the ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
>> Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | gotta sell the ultrastar |
This time it's got to go..............
1984 Kolb UltraStar. Needs new fabric covering. Rotax 447 with 2 b
lade Precision prop and 4 blade Ultra Prop. Engine has undetermined hours,
runs great but probably needs rebuilt. BRS parachute, past it's expiratio
n date. Custom open trailer. 5 gallon seat tank and 3 gallon original tank
s. Instrument pod with altimeter, air speed, rpm, dual exhaust temp, dual
head temp. Matco hydraulic brakes. Delcom handheld radio. Comm helmet.
Box of spare parts and stuff.
Overweight for FAR 103, and I never did grandfather it up to Sport.
No building records. $1,000.00 makes it go away. Located in central Wisc
onsin.
Richard Iverson
715 341 7584
masqqqqqqq@aol.com
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Subject: | A Visionary with a Far Reaching Mind |
A Visionary with a Far Reaching Mind
As a kid I had developed a theory that because a farmer could build a silo
50-75 feet high without a permit he owned the airspace up to that altitude and
should be able to build and fly an airplane that high without a license,
Homer Kolb explained.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
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Subject: | Re: Defective fuel pickup |
I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only two
2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas onboa
rd
I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in a
nything that flys I like a gascolator much better
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup
This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of
FSII
582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank
was
ull. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered
that
he fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the in-t
ank
uel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft
pruce sells as #05-01031.
Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is
also
ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work ben
ch
nd smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will
be
eplacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical pi
ckup
rom the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger stra
iner
ype pickup.
In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a
ball
heck valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check
alve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs
nto the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight last
ed
0 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event.
The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see i
f the
all check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original.
--------
ichard Pike
olb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
ichard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
ingsport, TN 3TN0
ow faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not s
een.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Defective fuel pickup |
Was surprised how small the mess was on the inlet screen. Very susceptible
to blockage.
I pull out of the bottom of my tank through a standard aviation mesh finger
strainer, then through the facet pump which is lower than the bottom of the
tank, and up through the fuel filter and into the engine driven pump on my
912. Have pumped around 15,500 gals through that system in the last 3,100+
hours without a problem. Can't remember when I did it, but I pulled the
finger strainer a thousand hours or so ago. Found some pretty interesting
stuff living on the strainer. Makes me wonder how I was able to get that
much trash through the fuel filler. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder
Jr
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup
I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only two
2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas onboard
I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in
anything that flys I like a gascolator much better
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup
This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of
FSII
N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank
was
full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered
that
the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the
in-tank
fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft
Spruce sells as #05-01031.
Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is
also
a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work
bench
and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will
be
replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical
pickup
from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger
strainer
type pickup.
In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a
ball
check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check
valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs
into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight
lasted
30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event.
The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if
the
ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Re: Defective fuel pickup |
At 09:06 PM 9/29/2011, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote:
>I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only
>two 2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas
>onboard
> I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in
> anything that flys I like a gascolator much better
I have a two check valves on my fuel tank vent. One lets air in at 1/2 psi
during operation, the other lets air out at 6 psi so the tank doesn't
balloon in the sunlight. Keeps the fuel fresh by limiting evaporation
during storage. There is also a screen (not too fine) outside of the vent
to keep bugs and such out.
At the bottom of the tank is a finger strainer made from a brass tube a
couple of inches long with lots of drilled holes, pressed into the Dapco
valve that threads into the bottom of the [aluminum] tank.
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Windshield Gap Seal Fairing |
http://brigham.net/~byoung/gapseal.html
check out this sight, you can see the yellow faring between the
windshield, and the gapseal leading edge. it started as a piece of aluminum
roll that they make continuous rain gutter from. the last picture shows it
from the inside, I used a hvac heating venting air conditioning vent
crimping tool. by crimping at different levels of crimp, I was able to
get the angle of the windshield to the flat bottom side of the gap seal. it
was riveted to the windshield and the metal ring that shapes the windshield,
and the bottom of the gap seal. which is installed permanently.
boyd young mkiii utah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have a Mark III C and I'm looking for a way to seal the opening between
the top of the windshield and the wing gap seal. I know that the Mark III
Xtra has a fiberglass fairing for this area that gets velcroed on. Does
anybody know if that part fits on the Classic or if there is one available
for the Classic? I've toyed with the idea of laying one up with fiberglass,
but only as a last resort. Has anybody come up with a way to make one out
of aluminum, lexan, or something else? I've tried a couple of things like
weatherstripping, but it doesn't work very well and looks cheesy. Winter's
coming, and I'm trying to seal up the openings. Thanks.
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